It was all manufactered just because it could be. Bowie's best ever end game and it worked. It was all a big sham...ending Bowie's career on purpose...clever old db

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Yes, even the Lollipop - perfectly planned for maximum outrage!

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...maybe it wasn't really Bowie at all during the tour

my sister used to always joke that he was secretly dead (this was back around the late 90's / early '00s)

It did reek of fakeness

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Look at it in a bigger picture...the album name alone is totally fake...its nothing to do with reality...its all about showing how good he is at faking everyone...he must be laughing. Fake album and fake tour. "Ha ha ha ha" wonderful joke Mr. Bowie.

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"It did reek of fakeness"

Which show did you see that gave you that impression?

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I saw three shows. It was definitely Him.

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I don't understand, in what way was it fake?

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WTF are you on about?

Reality was a blessing, if that's fake then i'm a succer for fake tours, loved it and i'm very very happy i went 3 times, best memories of mr bowie and his extremely talented skills in musicmaking

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what a beautiful thread, tell the others.

You misunderstand my meaning. The tour and album were real enough but the idea behind it was fake...it was always going to be his last tour...the album lyrics spell it out.

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i don't think so
in Rotterdam he was very specific "see you next year"
he was very happy with the tour, heart-trouble changed everything

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what a beautiful thread, tell the others.

I agree Popp.

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I laughed reading this thread.

Surely the tour wasn't planned to be a sham, it was well received.

I am drunk, but it seems to me that touring is too bloody hard a regimen to not mean it. Not to mention the actually life-threatening medical crisis and all.

Ah! Mr. Waite, the world of Magic is a mirror, wherein who sees muck is muck.
Aleister Crowley

The life threatening medical crisis was expected by db. He was testing his body. Welcome to Reality...this wasn't the Bowie we all knew...he would never do a real world tour in tatty old jeans...he was bowing out of the worlds stage knowing full well that music was going to change forever. He's back now where he started from.

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LOL Fuck me those Deth Killers jeans and t-shirts were way expensive!!!

I think you are reading a little too much into lyrics and trying to make random connections.

"The life threatening crisis was expected by db. He was testing his body."

What??

So Bowie went on tour knowing he had a heart condition that potentially could be fatal??????

No, I don't think so.

The 'reality' is simple enough. The hugely successful tour was cut short due to an unexpected bout of ill health. Thereafter, he took stock, is having some time off, may or may not return and is enjoying some private time with his family and various interests. Simple as that.

I doubt very much indeed if any of it was pre-planned or anticipated; and neither was Reality intended as his last album. I'm totally convinced of that.

I agree with what you say Dash_Away. But these lyrics are amazingly accurate given how it ended up!

I've been right and I've been wrong
Now I'm back where I started from
Never looked over reality's shoulder


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Yes, some of the lyrics on Reality are pretty unnerving considering what's followed. Bring Me The Disco King especially (which I happen to agree with Nick Kent who thought it one of the best Bowie tracks of the past 20 or 30 years).

But I think it was Visconti who said a few years ago that he saw Heathen and Reality as part as a trilogy of albums that frustratingly was never fulfilled. And I can see that. I honestly think Bowie intended to follow up Reality with a similiar 'autobiographical' kind of album before veering off into something far more experimental.

But we'll never know now.

No doubt in my mind if it wasn't for the heart scare we would have had a new album and even a small tour between 2005 to 2006

I agree with that Gabe , I think from 95s Outside to the Reality tour he'd really started to enjoy being David Bowie hence all the live shows he did in that period ,it was as though he'd really become comfortable in the knowledge of his own talent and popularity , I never went to the Reality tour ,first one I missed since 76 no probs with that though !

I suspect he may not tour again on any lengthy scale ,possibly not easy to get insurance ?

insurance wont ever be a problem. Having lots of money you will never fail the medical exam. Michael Jackson proved that. Plus other artists have had similar heart procedures done and even worse health problems and didn't slow them down at all. I would imagine Bowie's health is either worse than what we are being told or he has completely lost interest in the music business, and wants to spend his remaining years with his family.

Jacko wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed ,hence the outcome of an unfit man !

David made it clear : he wouldn't make any tour as long as Lexi goes to school. He said that the Reality Tour would be the last for a while but i don't know what he precisely thought by this lapse of time ?

He said too that it was very important to him to be a good father, better than he has been with Duncan.

I remember very well his words but i don't have this interview (or i don't find it).

He didn't say he would not record any more, he was only speaking about touring.

Its all in the lyrics...it was destined to be his last album...i have nothing else to release...you've had it all.

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"i have nothing else to release"

BMTDK was an outtake from Black Tie White Noise right? So in the context of when he wrote it it was never meant to mean anything, he was certainly writing another album as he said in interviews in 2005 and on the Reality tour at lots of shows he said he'd be back again the following year definitely.

It was never meant to be his last album, but it's looking like it.

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Reality album and tour were fake. BS!

imagine you're doing this world tour, a huge succes , a few million people are applauding, and you're very happy with it, you're on top of the world and then suddenly it's all over, no warning, no preparation.
All of a sudden you're fighting for your life and you will get all the time you need to think things over, you ( maybe?) almost died and you have a very young daughter, a lovely wife and a very very succesfull career.
Still you have been knocked out of a great moment in your life, totally unexpected, not planned but you have to deal with it, enough shit to make many people react with a depression.
I think he's done very well considering all this

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You are right Popp...

I am sure whilst he will not tour again he will record....

yes ... as has already been discussed MANY times BMTDK was tried out for several albums before ending up on Reality ... also you could draw similar conclusions from "My Death" or even "The Bewlay Bros" ... so to conclude Reality was NOT fake ... but this thread was.

This thread is real enough...What do you think db meant by naming his album 'Reality'?...BMTDK was kept for this album. Accept that fact...there will be no more new albums...Reality was his final goodbye.

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no more tours i suspect ... but i think new music will happen at some point. i believe Mr.Bowie described the concept behind Reality which maybe should have been in quotes like "Heroes". Something about how everybody's concept of it is different and that how in these days of "reality TV", "docudrama" and "infomercials" that the word has become essentially meaningless.

What is your opinion of 'Reality' being fake...BowieBaseOne? I think it was manafactured.

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was the heart attack fake too?...That is the reason for everything going so quiet. One you have a heart problem, you always have a heart problem and the last thing you need is stress. Do you think Bowie is going to risk dieing on his kids? Also, he missed alot of Jo's childhood. I would guess he is making up for lost time with Alexandra.

He has given us the best years of his life through his work. Time to relax I think. I hate conspiracy theories.

Over analyzing lyrics.....yeah, that'll help you find all the answers LOL

some of you should really get a life. It's sad that Bowie isn't around but get over it and get your heads checked out while your at it.

Its all in the lyrics if you listen.

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