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I'm glad that Bowie has withdrawn from the spotlight

December 21 2011 at 10:41 AM
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I'm gonna say it! I am glad that he has withdrawn from the spotlight. It doesn't bother me that he is not engaging with the fans. In this age of Twitter and Facebook it can only be good as far as I'm concerned. When you look at Paul McCartney and his desperate desire to be liked and loved by one and all, you can only admire Bowie for being aloof. He's enjoying family life and looking after himself and he shouldn't have to engage and explain himself to anybody, including us, if he doesn't want to. Like Bob Dylan he does it his way and I admire him for it!

 
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Re: I'm glad that Bowie has withdrawn from the spotlight

December 21 2011, 10:43 AM 

totally agree with you it's just bowienet thats boring me.

 
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December 21 2011, 10:52 AM 

what tom said

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Re: I'm glad that Bowie has withdrawn from the spotlight

December 21 2011, 11:11 AM 

of course, i would prefer he makes music - i know he will record only if he still makes good music he is not a Beatles or a Stone !


 
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December 21 2011, 11:30 AM 

Good music is only subjective , people who make music usually think its good ?

I dont know why people have a go at the Beatles or Stones ,after all they are musicians ,they aren't Take That ,the Stones in particular dont seem to depend on Tv or newspapers to hype their brand , its like hey we're touring and thats it ?

 
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Re: I'm glad that Bowie has withdrawn from the spotlight

December 21 2011, 11:41 AM 

About The Stones, i think they are ok when they are touring with their classics but when i see thahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTF7T1Nw5OU i think money and not music ! Ridiculous ! though i like Mick, he is nice & clever and less ridiculous than Keith - this one has no brain.


    
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Tom
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Re: I'm glad that Bowie has withdrawn from the spotlight

December 21 2011, 11:56 AM 

I think in the world of rock and pop you have to know when to stop. The Stones are threatening to tour next year and the thought of Mick Jagger shaking his bony 70 year old arse to Jumpin' Jack Flash is making me feel ill as I write this! I like to think that Bowie has decided it's time to stop and preserve his dignity. I would like some new music from him but I really think that he's done with it all and we should just accept that.

 
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December 21 2011, 12:05 PM 

Absolutely not agree with you. Dancing and singing has nothing to do with age.

I saw Iggy this summer, he was not ridiculous. Bowie would know how to dance and to sing without being ridiculous and Jagger is not ridiculous for dancing and singing but because of the bad quality of this new band, Superheavy. Mick is absolutely not ridiculous when he is dancing.

In clubs and in raves (in the 90's) i saw old people, who were dancing. They were not ridiculous, all is in the manner of doing. And in clubs i still meet people who are at the same age than DB or Mick, they are cool !


    
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December 21 2011, 12:10 PM 

I totally agree about Bowie ,I couldnt give a toss if he carries on or stops dead !

I disagree about Jagger ,his body is in awesome shape ,both him and Iggy have I M O got the sinewy type of body that is basically built for speed and action ala Bruce Lee in reality its not their bodies that look bad it's their faces happy.gif but hey everyone ends up like that unless they die ?

Musically though its hard for anyone to make consitently good music for an eternity ,there are exceptions Tom Waits springs to mind ,though he's not pandering to any level of commercialism , plus its an aquired taste ?

 
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December 21 2011, 12:34 PM 

The way I see it nobody wants to accept the aging process, and it's not just rock stars but society in general. I really think the likes of Iggy Pop and Mick Jagger should just grow up! Their attitude seems to be that if they feel like 25 then they should be allowed to act like a 25 year old, which is embarrassing. What's wrong with acting your age and accepting that a certain part of your life is over and saying to yourself "it's time to stop and move on" Bowie has probably done that having been forced to face up to his mortality.

 
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December 21 2011, 12:21 PM 

I totally agree with what Tom says...Bowie's always been ahead of the game and he's played a blinder with remaining silent = 5 point post Tom

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December 21 2011, 2:17 PM 

Good post Tom and I wholeheartedly agree happy.gif

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December 21 2011, 2:42 PM 

I can see perfectly what you mean Tom ,and you are right ,but what if for some reason Bowie decided to release a record ,and not just a record but a great record that ranks along side his great 70s records ? then we'd have to change our tact a little ,and say oh perhaps its a good idea Bowie didnt walk away happy.gif !

I still thing his health scare stopped him dead in his tracks ,and thats the real reason we dont hear anything anymore ,had it not been for that we'd have had at least another four or five records to date ,I'm absolutely certain in my mind of that ! from 95 to 2004 his output and live appearances was quite something !

I wouldnt mind betting he'd secretly like to be working now if his health would allow him ,but alas its probably not worth the risk !but having not worked its made him seem a little cool i.e. the first big name rock star to walk away from it all ?


 
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December 21 2011, 2:54 PM 

Well I will say it too. For a life long fan of 38 years I am not 'glad' but feel rather deflated.

Totally respect and admire him and still adore his music..........

Even if he has opted for a low profile (which I could fully understand).....it would also respectful of him to communicate something to his fan-base.......some new music would be even better.......

 
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December 21 2011, 3:00 PM 

there is no age to have fun !

I don't see Jagger, Iggy or others rock people (example: my friends from the same rock generation than Jagger or Bowie) dancing the waltz at some senior party ! Then they would be ridiculous but they are not on the stage or dancing techno with me.

You don't go out enough i guess, you seem old and conformist. Age is not only a body matter but it's a state of mind too. I am 41 years old, i have friends from all generations, i feel closed to youth, but i don't feel fine with people of my age who are old in their mind, who are only speaking about children, garden and work.

Almost all my friends are djs and most of them are 40 years old or more, we knew raves and the beginning of electronic musics, we are born in the 60's or in the 70's. Some of them are 50, sometimes 60, and they are still gigging, the most famous of them everywhere in the world, all the night long ! It's good ! It's life !

When you don't try to look younger you are not ridiculous and all is possible !



    
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December 21 2011, 3:04 PM 

It is a state of mind...

Bowie has grown older but always remained effortlessly cool and stylish ( well maybe with the odd photographic lapse).

But he has taught us all a valuable lesson ......!

 
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Re: I'm glad that Bowie has withdrawn from the spotlight

December 21 2011, 3:05 PM 



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December 21 2011, 3:06 PM 

OMG

 
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December 21 2011, 3:10 PM 

You'd think the BBC would have had the decency to have wiped this LOL! wink.gif

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All I Can Say Is ....

December 21 2011, 3:15 PM 

WOW!!!

 
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December 21 2011, 3:37 PM 

Hi Mick ,when you say it would be respectful to communicate with his fan base , I disagree for me Bowie's strength lies in his single mindedness I always liked his take on making records, he makes them for himself ,but if just one other person likes it then its a bonus !

Its a two way thing we owe him nothing as he owes us nothing ,if he decides never to speak in public again then that fine ,if he makes music or tours or whatever , then thats fine too !

 
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December 21 2011, 3:43 PM 

When products are still being sold ....granted we have a choice.....but its simply about mutual respect.....

 
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Re: All I Can Say Is ....

December 21 2011, 3:53 PM 

i saw the stones once...i would go again....i don't care how old they are....

i'm fine with bowie being out of the spotlight....but i want new music as well...

 
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December 21 2011, 4:16 PM 

I'm morally certain that if Mr. Bowie has something to say in future, he will say it.

Otherwise, he may simply be acting as a good Buddhist and withdrawing from the world to prepare for his next life.

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December 21 2011, 4:20 PM 

How can he respect people he doesn't know exist ,I mean come on ,he didn't even go to Ronsons remembrance gig , as Ian Hunter likes to remind people happy.gif I don't think Bowie needs to be too concerned with how people feel its too high a price and is of no value to him or you for that matter !

Remember the Glass Spider press conferences when he came out and said hello I'm David Bowie and your not ! I think thats how he is, and I like that coldness its what makes him interesting I dont want some one pandering to me I'd soon get bored !


 
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December 21 2011, 4:18 PM 

Phew, just got back from the pensioners Christmas Tea Dance and I'm knackered with all that waltzing! No, seriously I am not a fuddy duddy but I just think some of us seem to exist in a permanent state of adolescence, with no desire to face up to truth about ageing and even death. I hated Bowie's look on the Reality tour, he was a man in his fifties trying to look like a 25 year old with the dyed blond hair and the jeans and t-shirt thing. I probably shouldn't say this, but maybe the heart attack was a good thing, forcing him to grow up. He looks good now I think because he looks his age and he has clearly accepted the ageing process. Had he not had the heart attack he probably would have carried on kidding himself that he he still "rocks" and would be behaving like Mick Jagger in Heavy Stereo mode. I read an article in the New York Times where babyboomers (people of Bowie's age) were telling their grandkids not to call them Granny or Grandad because it made them feel old which is ridiculous!

 
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December 21 2011, 4:33 PM 

i thought bowie looked great on the reality tour...my least fave look is the ziggy look....and the glass spider look....

 
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December 21 2011, 4:46 PM 

My least fave looks are the Moonlight tour and Absolute Begginers film !

I agree the Reality look was good ,always thought Bowie looked good with a long fringe ,i.e. the Soul Tour and MWFTE etc

I also loved Bowie's Ziggy and Glass Spider looks, I think people who tried to copy them ended up with mullets because most hairdressers cant do Bowie hair ?


    
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December 21 2011, 5:13 PM 

I don't think he's being disrespectful by not engaging with his fans. With Twitter and Facebook people expect and demand famous people be available to them. They want a tweet from them which they then retweet to show their friends that they got a tweet from someone famous. Bizarre! Bowie used to communicate with fans on his website but now of course he's withdrawn from all of that and I think it's fine even if some people don't. There has to be a distance and I reckon he recognises that now. His role as an artist isn't to pander and please his fans and, you know, be their friend and share like flaming Oprah Wnfrey! And the Serious Moonlight do was bad wasn't it!

 
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December 21 2011, 4:58 PM 

"Phew, just got back from the pensioners Christmas Tea Dance and I'm knackered with all that waltzing!"


LOL!


"No, seriously I am not a fuddy duddy but I just think some of us seem to exist in a permanent state of adolescence"


But that's part of the magic of the internet and being a member of this Bowie forum wink.gif I think in reality we all act pretty differently, we can be eternally young and a bit silly in the virtual world happy.gif

And most of us know when someone is being tongue in cheek.



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Re: All I Can Say Is ....

December 21 2011, 5:13 PM 

What Tom said,

The thing is I've been arguing the same thing for ages via several past threads on here but from memory didn't get as many positive comments in support? I got some support but there was a hell of a lot more going on about how Bowie could adapt, it wasn't for us to tell him what he should or shouldn't do, there was no reason why artists couldn't go on until the literally dropped dead, I was ageist etc.

So what's changed?



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December 21 2011, 5:22 PM 

Trev I remember well your views happy.gif and I remember people at the time saying he could do a jazz album or an instrumental Low /Heroes type thing !

I'm just of the view ,I couldnt care either way ,I'd hate to think Bowie was indebted to anyone ?

David Bowie should just be David Bowie happy.gif


    
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December 21 2011, 6:51 PM 

One thing's for certain; since Bowie's self-imposed withdrawal in 2004 he has gained even more status. His Garbo-like silence has made him more and more intriguing and elusive. It's hard to think of another super star alive who, in this day and age of celebrity overkill and exposure and the internet and twitter, has still managed to achieve that degree of privacy. Maybe Dylan, perhaps.
Like I said before in another thread, his withdrawal (for whatever reasons) has proved to be a masterstroke.

 
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hmm

December 21 2011, 10:27 PM 

Paradoxically, the longer he leaves it, the harder it gets to "come back" and yet the greater his living legend grows......

Riddle me that one.....

If you stop to consider for a moment how he works - always quickly and always in response to or in tune with whatever is going on at the time - I think it would be hard for him to descend from on high even now.

And as I never tire of saying I don't begrudge him any of that.

I don't think his audience really picked up on the subtleties in songs like Uncle Floyd. As the perennial pop artist I don't necessarily think people would be receptive to music from him reflecting his earthly age.

And then you listen to Low and Heroes and it's timeless ageless music anyone can appreciate.

He can watch his legacy grow and he's still alive to be able to watch it.

And that is his real achievement. discuss.....

 
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December 21 2011, 11:50 PM 

Totally agree Muzz, I think it would be hard to come back with something at this stage of his life and why would you! He's made his mark, what more can he add to what he has achieved already.

 
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December 21 2011, 11:57 PM 

his stock has never been more higher.
what with toy and now jean genie and this lengthy silence and almost disappearance into obscurity it has raised his profile even higher.
reckon the demand for him to step out is phenomenal.
i bet he gets major offers every day he has to turn down.


 
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Mick
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Re: hmm

December 22 2011, 12:03 AM 

true. but watch this space for further installments. I hope and believe there is more around the corner (recordings wise). And no he is not indebted to anyone......but if you perpetuate this view that all is normal by keeping Bowienet and future releases (reissues) going then surely this is disrespectful without being relatively open and communicating?

 
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Re: hmm

December 22 2011, 12:13 AM 

I think the rerelease deluxe things are not a Bowie thing everyone does them ,and as for Bowienet ,has it got anything to do with Bowie ?

 
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December 22 2011, 12:15 AM 

well surely yes?!!!!

 
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