Any thoughts on the lack of success he has had with the talented team he has in Winkler???

The way things are going something is going to have to change. I would say drop Sutherland off the bench. He's one of the reasons they keep bringing in all these players from off yonder. Last nights game the coaches decided not to pull the goalie with 45 seconds left in the offensive zone down by two goals. Then they get another faceoff with 4 seconds left in the offensive zone and out comes the tender.

That was embarrassing!

No! What's embarassing is losing to the pistions 9-2. The Flyers played a solid game against one of the top teams in the country, despite not being healthy. complaining about not pulling a goal tender at the right time seems like you are trying to find SOMETHING to complain about. At least Dauphin didn't get an empty net goal! Alexander had a good game, as well as others on the team and I like that Mark finally sat Peters for taking dumb penalties.

they have tried bringing in new players for the whole years not building around what they have and using the talent they have... Thiessen needs to go

I think its hilarious that now that Mark is GM, head coach, has another guy on the bench and has all control of who comes and stays, that you make it come back to Ernie. Gimme a break

The flyers did play a good game against one of the best teams in the province last night. And if the defensive coach would of noticed that his captain and assistant captain heads were not in the game he wouldn't of played them and they likely would have taken that game to OT. Ask any of the former players who is in charge of bringing players in..... Ask any of the former players who was the problem on the bench and they'll tell you Sutherland.

Ok, if Sutherland is such a "terrific" player developer, how come we have seen
some of their D continue to shoot blind, telegraphed passes up the middle in their own zone, only to get burned by an anticipating opposing centerman...its getting very old, and one of the main reasons Winky has one of the worst goals against....funny how the worst offender of this, el Capitone, gets all the ice, and repeats the same errors....come on, a defensive coach has to see this ...and if no response from the player, then thats a whole other issue...what's with Stevens? looks like he would be undressed in midnite rec hockey....why are we settling for outta shape has beens? ...and wearing an "A" to boot????? coaching is the definite problem right across the board!!!!

Coming into the season Winkler had a pretty solid squad. However, due to the "urgency" to win they have been dropping players and bringing in whatever they could get their hands on. Bringing in guys who they have never seen play and hoping they are going to be the savior. This is bull****. Yes it was unfortunate that James left but they promptly filled his spot with Martin who has turned out to be pretty solid and can fight like James could. The problem is that the urgency to win is ironically causing the team problems. If Thiessen just stuck with his original squad and paid more attention to building a strong systems team than to the wire looking for free agents then maybe the flyers would be doing a little better. I'm not saying he shouldn't bring in a few guys here and there like lawrence was a good pickup but he really just needs to work with what he's got. The team has talent but he isn't helping them use it within a team system and this is where he is ****ing the team over. I do feel that mark is a good coach but he is just going about this season all wrong.

when a team is this good, yet doing this poor... come on what else can you blame?
He brings in these nobodys from teams that didnt want them and gives them first line, PP etc.
Sitting and or giving no icetime to hard working players like Harder, or Suderman.
Suderman is the only one on this team that will step up and try to get his team going, plus he's a plus player with more points than lawrence or the other nobodys he brings in, lets just face it, Thiess got a hate on for him for some reason and wont let it go. The fans were even yelling for him last game.
They have new line combos every game, every period, how are they supposed to play like that??
And as if Thiess blames goaltending on the radio!! How do you blame goaltending in games where your team scores no goals???? The guy has to go

His solution to everything is bringing in new players not working with the ones he has.
The kids play like they have no respect for the guy, wonder why that is...

Give it up already on Suderman. Great kid, fills a role for the team but cannot play against any other team's first, second or third line. If you think he is more than that, I would seriously question your ability to be realistic about his hockey talent.

I wrote the original "too many new faces"...
I like what you said about how the players have no or little respect for him. There have been players this year that have done nothing but work their asses off for mark, only for mark to bring in another player that has been released by Garbage teams. If Vernon puts a player on the wire, sure Mark give him a shot since he's hung in with vernon (or another good team) for this long why not? But there's no point in bringing in tones of guys who have been released from teams that are worse off than winkler. Its not worth bringing in a random kid and taking a huge chance on him because you run the risk of breaking down the chemistry of the team you already have and pissing off players you already have and losing respect from the players you already have. But I guess mark has 45 cards he can use so they can start working on systems after all those are used up right? That will help winkler win big this year...not

Bould your team up around Ronsberg. He is your leading scorer and best two way player you got. He works hard and only has taken 2 penalty minutes this year. I went to the game last night, and I haven't been to one for a while and I was displease with the lack of ice time I saw him get. At the start of the year he seemed to be there go to guy. Last night he seemed to be played on a third line role?

Is he hurt or whats up?

Did he not take a puck in the face... that might keep you off the ice more often than not.

is this a serious joke? all you guys are gods gift to hockey im guesing and could do a better job than anyone of the winkler coaching staff. my guess if it were you coaching winkler would be undefeated right? hahaha give your head a shake there are plenty of ups and down and this is a serious down for winkler but better now than march. and continuing to beak players like lawrence or kliever, give it up!!!! lawrence even though he has not been putting points up has been relentless and is the flyers best forward while kliever is seriously injuried and battles and is still the flyers best d. he will block a shot take a hit do anything to try put his team first. remember its not always what you see. There is alot more that goes on that we dont no about

Dude, your replying to a post that has nothing to do with what your saying. I wrote the original "too many new faces" and in it I said Lawrence was a good pick up. Also I am saying that Winkler should be working around the talent they already have an example of this IS TROY KLEIVER. The post you're replying to is not talking down winklers key players its talking about bringing in new guys and how this is wrecking the team.
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I agree with 177. Every fan who thinks they can coach and knows how to fix everything should put in an application for the job, if its so simple. Anyone who has seen a Flyers game knows there a still a few holes to fill, like defence, so we might see a few more guys yet, and we need them.

Everyone can blame the d all they want. but when you score no more than 6 goals in 5 games? something is to be said about the so called high scoring forwards of the winky team. not to mention the great goal tending of the 2 back ups they have. sure beak the 1-2 actual dmen they have all you want but until the whole team decides to play then ya who's gunna look bad in a 9-2 loss.. the d. but why do they score. all the forwards are below the offensive goal line. and who's gunna get burnt on a 4 on 2.. well the d again i guess. and who needs to score the goals for winks? well the d might as well do that one to. so continue to beak defense but to win a game you have to think one of your 6 'high scoring' forwards will score a goal once and a while. kleiver and stevens aren't the problem i dont think.

Kleiver and stevens are definitely not the problem, you're right. The guy above you however has it wrong. Its almost november, there may be holes to fill on the back end (i dont think there is but you do) but bringing in tones of guys isnt the answer. Working with the D IS THE ANSWER. So if you're gonna blame the D you better not be saying that we need to replace some of them because that is horse **** and you know it. If you're going to blame the D then you should be saying that there should be some work done with the D in practice instead. But the fact of the matter is that the D core is pretty solid so they can't be blamed entirely. more than half of goals in hockey are a direct result of a mistake made in the offensive end... like getting caught below the goal and not backchecking properly. 7-0 loss VS selkirk I spoke to sutherland he said "the forwards decided they didn't need to back check" So keep blaming the D all you want but it's a waste of everyones time because it's not the solution. They need to focus on becoming a team and learning to play with eachother. this is hard when "the wholes we need to fill in the defense" are such a concern to the coaching staff when they are actually for the most part non-existent providing the coaching staff works with them and lets them figure it out before they bring in the 13th d man this yr.

Its about the players on the roster. The key word is TEAM. In order to build a team you need to work with what you have and build a system that caters to your strengths and weaknesses. This is tough to do when there are new players coming in weekly.(not knocking any of them but unless they are signifigantly better than those that are already there no point in bringing them in)There is always going to be a bit of tinkering. Working on building chemistry and giving players confidence that they are in the flyers plans will be much more productive than always having them thinking that they are one step away from being replaced by another new recruit.

I agree 100%, that being said I see a new player is coming to Winkler. Another small forward with not many points last year.

haha yup that sounds about right

Everyone on here is stupid. Any real hockey player or coach or fan knows that you got up until Christmas to get all your guys you are going to be comfortable with continuing the rest of the season with. It's so early in the season yet to be worried about players coming in and leaving. If any players are leaving this early in the season you can bet your ass there is a good reason for that players departure.

If you think Ben is small, perhaps you should take a second look.

took a second look 5ft. 11in 180lbs 14 points last year with kindersly

& he has not played this year????? what up with that

blah blah blah....we've heard all these excuses for five years...Bottomline we want to see some w's..we are in third last for crying out loud..NO MORE EXCUSES..these guys are very talented but also very lazy..

Everyone on here HAS said that some moving around is obviously ok. But there's way too much in such a short period of time with winkler. There are two things bad with moving this many players in a short period of time. 1) The team doesnt build chemistry as easily and it makes it really hard for the team to develop systems that need to be developed in october and november. NOT DECEMBER.
2) With this already hindering the development of team systems, it also puts the players on edge and worries them about where they stand. The result of this is that there mind isnt in the right place to learn and execute proper systems in practice and games. In order to learn you have to be able to mess up in practice right? No one is learning because everyone is too scared to mess up. Then once you get into a game, the players have limited knowledge and lack practice with the system. Then they screw up and get traded or sat or whatever.. then the rest of the team sees this happen and inturn they go thru the same mental process.