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I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 8 2008 at 3:29 PM

Laura  (Login findingwhatworks)

Ok, I got my nerve up and asked him to stop talking to her. He use to tell me all this garbage about not being able to talk to anyone else blah,blah,blah. I believed it all. Every stinking word. Well, he does talk to other people. I found that out this past week when we a fight with out oldest. Another co-worker ( a guy) was having problems with his son and they both talked to each other. I am still so niave I can't stand it. The OW has been out of the country for this week and it has been so nice not thinking about it.
He made me feel guilty the last time about 2 weeks ago when I said I didn't want him to talk to her. I have been building up all this for awhile now and I don't want him to talk to her. Ami told me awhile back that I have no control over it but I do have control over me and how I feel.
It seems when I start talking about it with him he says that he will quit talking to her-that it's not a big deal. I just have to make up my mind. Well, I did today. I got the nerve up and told him that I had made a decision to have him not talk to her. Well, now it's a different story. I told him I am taking a huge risk by asking him not to do this but I hope that what we have will be strong enough to make it through this. He made me believe that he would be fine with it when I came to the a decision whatever way it went.
He isn't none to happy. When I told him this he asked me if I was asking him to never talk to her. NEVER. I said yes. That is what I want. Now he starts with all the bullsh$t about me controlling him. I told him that I can't control what he does but I can tell him that I want him to stop. That I don't want this anymore. It is his decision to make good on his word. Now, he is not happy at all. I was to go with him and my son to mow a yard and I said they could go by themselves. He walked out the door but came back in wanting to say something. He didn't so I told him I wasn't putting up with anymore of his crap. You know what he says as he is walking out the door? I let you do everything.
Well, he can't say anything about that anymore. Our house is clean, the laundry is done, the yard is done, dinner is being cooked and healthy liked he has asked and I am taking care of HIS dad. If he wants to talk about me not working then I would rather go get a job than have him talk to her.
He is making me feel guilty. Finding all the little things that he knows will work. I need alot of support because I know I will falter.

Laura

adding-why do I have the feeling that he won't stop. Just by the way he was acting-it was like he was saying what I was wanting to hear but I could tell. I feel different this time. I want it to be over with. Finally. I'm ready.




    
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Anonymous
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Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 8 2008, 4:05 PM 

Good for you Laura. You made a decision, now you have to stick to it. You cannot go back and forth on this issue....you need to stick to your guns on this one. My question is what will you do if he still talks to her? Waht are the consequences if he violates your boundary? You need to have a plan of action...otherwise he gets away with having his cake and eating it too still.


Stay strong! We are behind you. You are doing the right thing. In order to heal the marriage the A MUST end. There is no other way.

~ CAL
"You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection" ~ Buddha

 
 
Anonymous
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Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 8 2008, 4:14 PM 

laura,

You are doing the right thing FOR YOU, and that my dear is what is most important... You are not controlling him... he has his freedom .. he can do anything he likes

Laura he will push you and you need to stand firm.. what are the consequences if he continues talking to her?
that is the hard question.. I told my H he could be gone.. and I ment it..he knew that I was not just saying empty words, when I asked him if he was going to give up the OW. ..

Laura you will not lose what you don't have.. he is saying the OW makes him feel good.. so why is he staying with you. if he can not give up talking to her..

PLease don't feel guilty...that is control and you are NOT guilty .. you are his wife and are not asking for anything unreasonable....what if the situation were reversed.. would you be allowed to talk to another man.. I don't think so.

laura stand firm you are right and you are strong..

(((hugs)))

Pat

"Time is precious, but truth is more precious than time."

 
 

Laura
(Login findingwhatworks)

Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 8 2008, 4:14 PM 

Cal,
I'm not sure what the consequences should be. I have no idea. I can't say that I will leave because I won't. I love him but I don't want to live with another woman in between us.
I'm not sure what I will say because what I say I have to back up.

Laura


 
 

fairyfriend
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I asked

May 8 2008, 4:23 PM 

Laura,

I know I have mentioned this before, but I truly believe that talking to OW's H might make a HUGE difference. Think about how much you are hurting because your H won't stop talking to OW. Her H might be hurting just as much, and he might not even know that your H and his W are still carrying on.

I suggest that you go over the 180 Rules because you may need to implement them.

I agree with Pat. If he can't stop talking to OW because of how good doing so makes him feel, then why is he staying with you? He is FENCE-SITTING and CAKE-EATING!!! You may not be able to get him off the fence or stop eating cake, but you sure as h*ll can take the yard out from under him and take your cake away.

It's WAY past time for him to ***t or get off the pot. You CAN talk to a PI and a lawyer. You can control YOUR emotions and stop feeling guilty. When he sees that he can no longer control you, maybe things will change. But as long as he knows he can do whatever he wants, say whatever he wants with impunity, he has no reason to stop.

Put up YOUR boundaries and stick to them.

Just my fairy cents' worth and empowering fairy hugs,

ff

 
 
Blue Bayou
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Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 8 2008, 4:34 PM 

Hi Laura, I don't post too much lately but I have been following your story & thought I'd share some thoughts with you. Of course, I can only give my own perspective on this and it may not mesh with yours.

The concept of marriage can mean many different things to different people, depending upon the "rules of engagement" that were agreed upon from the getgo. The gamut ranges from open marriage--either party is free to have consensual sex with whomever they wish--to the traditional marriage that most people have where the man & woman have sex (and/or an intimate emotional committed relationship) exclusively with each other only.

Assuming that your marriage falls into the latter category, and from reading your past posts, you are continuing the role of doormat in your M. I realize I'm not telling you anything you haven't figured out already. It's painful to read the emotional abuse and manipulation you are allowing from this person. I realize that there are no easy nor quick fixes. I also realize that, warts and all, you love this man. Love which is unrequited. The worst kind of love.

I have traveled the same road as you in the past, allowing the love of my life to rub my face in her cheating and unwillingness to give up her emotional attachments to her 4 paramours. But at some point, there must be "endgame"!

I think that unless you intend to consign yourself to a life of emotional torture and anguish, you either accept that he is not capable of loving you the way you need to be loved (and probably never will be), or consider separating from this person. I believe that your constant episodes of newfound hope (only to be let down every time) are your desperate clinging to the chance that he will come to truly understand and love you. I don't blame you for wanting this! But if he doesn't have the humanity to do this, no power in heaven or earth can put the love you need into his heart. If he is so blind as not to realize this by now, what miracle can open his eyes?

Considering that there are billions of people on earth, I find it so ironic that many of us (myself included) have allowed just ONE PERSON out of all these billions to tear us up like this.....Please consider your options, be mindful of your inner strengths and worth as a woman, spouse, mother. Please do not keep going to dry stones for a drink of water.
BB



 
 

Laura
(Login findingwhatworks)

Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 9 2008, 6:25 AM 

We had a huge fight last night. I guess I shouldn't call it a fight, an arguement instead.

We said and heard alot of things. He said that if he gave up talking to her what would I do for him? I was so angry. I couldn't think of anything that I could do more than what I am doing now. It went back and forth. I told him that I shouldn't have to do anything in exchange for this. It is something that has hurt me and I shouldn't have to do anything. I asked him what he wanted me to do since I didn't know what he was thinking. It had to be something since he was so sure I needed to do something. He said that little things bother him but since I was letting him talk to her he over looked them. I told him I didn't want it like that. I wanted to know when things bother him. I don't want it all to build up and then explode and me not know. I want to know these things. I see where this is part of the connection he has with her. He wouldn't say things to me in order to keep her. I guess an EA.
So, he finally told me what he wanted. He wanted me to iron??!! He knows I hate ironing. But, it is funny because we got a new dryer and his clothes seem to be more wrinkled than ever before and I was going to start ironing. At first I said no. I didn't think that I should do anything and I thought there would be more that he would come up with. Just ironing? Come on! It couldn't be that simple.
Then I remembered that I said that I would do anything that he asked as long as he didn't talk to her. So I said fine. If that is what it takes then I will iron. And that was it. He said he would stop talking to her. That he loves me.
I know that I can't just be all happy now. That it will take more time to see if it is really going to happen. I'll just have to see.

I also found out that he is still hurting from doing this to me and the kids. That I say things that keep digging the knife deeper. I don't mean to say things but it still hurts me and I think that because he was/is still involved with her I couldn't get past it. The boys have even told him that he lies and cheats. That when he expects more from them, all the things he has done in the past comes back to hit him in the face. Like last night, our son lied to him and my H caught him in it and said if you ever lie to me again you will be in big trouble, our son came back with you lie about everything all of the time. OUCH! the boys have become more vocal now that they are 16 and 18. I can see the flinch when they say things to him. I use to think he deserves it but I also realise that there has to be a time that it has to stop. It has been three years since I found out. I think it is time to stop bringing it up.
I am hoping that this is the end. I did make some consequences that I can uphold. I didn't make anything that I couldn't go through with.
I am a little relieved in the sense that we both understand a little more of each other and what we have been thinking but I also am not crossing my fingers that this is completely over. I am sure it will take some time again.
Thanks for all the support and for FF and Pat in chat last night. I'm sure I will need you all still.


Laura


 
 
Anonymous
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Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 9 2008, 7:37 AM 

Laura,

I am happy that you talked to your H... Ironing is not what I would expect but the dry cleaners do a great job with shirts... and as far as wrinkled clothing..we have washer that does a max extract of water. pants and shirts are more wrinkled after drying than when I don't use this.. I also am not using the hottest mode on the dryer and that helps..and{ WRINKLE FREE ?} spray does wonders so I am told.

Laura all the rest that your H told you is an excuse that he uses to justify talking to the OW.. I know I do things that really annoy my H ..but at the same time he does things that annoy me so it is a wash...those are the quicks that make up our personality and if you know you do something that just drives the S crazy for me, I try to be better about it but it does pop up at times and that is life..I do make an effort but I am not always sucessful..given that, it is not an excuse to have an A.. no where in the marriage vows does it say you can confide in OW because W does something you don't like.. just my thoughts..

Laura your sons don't respect their father because they see he lies..he has to earn their respect.. as your sons have to earn yours to be trusted to drive etc...life is all about respect and with respect comes trust..

((((hugs)))

Pat




"Time is precious, but truth is more precious than time."

 
 

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Ironing?

May 9 2008, 8:25 AM 

He is going to give up talking to the OW if you iron for him? This is pathetic, it doesn't even make sense. So, if he doesn't mow the lawn do you get to have an A? I think it's time he ironed his own shirts.

 
 

fairyfriend
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I asked

May 9 2008, 12:55 PM 

Laura,

I am proud of you that you stood up for youself, but I MUST tell you his saying he would stop his A if you started IRONING, FOR PETE'S SAKE, for him is ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous. It sounds like he was grasping at straws and said the first thing that popped into his head.

I agree with Carly. If your H doesn't mow the lawn or put air in the car's tires, you get to have an A.

Now how ridiculous does that sound?!

But no one has ever said that people having A think logically. In fact, they don't.

Of course your sons are standing up to their father. They see how he has been treating you. They see how much you are hurting and trying. They have been hurt, too. How can they respect him under these trying circumstances? He has a lot more to lose than just your love and his marriage if he doesn't get his head unwedged soon.

Stand firm, and please remember what I said about talking to OW's H.

Proud of you fairy hugs,

fairyfriend

 
 

Anonymous
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Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 9 2008, 5:29 PM 

I am proud of you for standing up for yourself Laura. But ironing his shirts is going to keep him from talking to the OW? I don't think so! Just like me not sleeping with my WH ONE TIME made him cheat. Whether I slept with him or not, he cheated. It is not about whether or not you iron his clothes. Nothing wrong with ironing his clothes if you want to, but that isn't going to keep him from cheating. Sounds like he just didn't know what else to say to you cause he knows there is no excuse. BTW: Has he stopped talking to her yet? If not, why not? Is it cause you haven't ironed anything yet? Im serious...Im not trying to be funny or mean...it is just like the others said, if he doesnt take out the garbage or mow the lawn would that give you the right to cheat on him? Im sorry Laura, he doesn't get it, not even one little bit. If there are no consequences, I mean REAL consequences, he is going to continue to do what he is doing, and that is manipulating you and talking to OW.

If my WH asked me what he gets if he stops smoking pot and stops cheating, and gets his crap together I would have said to him you get your life back! You get your self respect back, and you get a chance to regain the respect of your children and your wife. And who knows, maybe in time we will have a better marriage...a better life if you really, really work on it. The flip side, what do you have to lose if you continue to talk to OW? Now there's a thought!

Laura...you are doing good, don't back down

~ CAL
"You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection" ~ Buddha


    
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Kid
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Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 9 2008, 10:18 PM 

He couldn't play you, manipulate you, abuse you and torture you anymore than if he was a professional at it.

Seriously Laura. He has two hands and can iron his own damn shirts if they need ironing.

This IS NOT about what you aren't giving.........THIS IS ABOUT WHAT HE ISN'T GIVING!!!! Stand your ground or you will lose it.

He turns this on you every single time and you allow him to. You walk away thinking you've won the war and he will give up seeing her if you iron his shirts. Really all he has done is played you to make sure your still in the game and he is still in control. He is a master at manipulation Laura and your his prime target.

How much is too much Laura? Are you saying that you love him so very much that no matter what he does you would be willing to forgive him? If that is the case I think you really need to sit down and think about why you love this man and what holds you in such an unhappy situation?

“Love is patient;
love is kind and envies no one.
Love is never boastful,
nor conceited, nor rude;
never selfish, not quick to take offense.
There is nothing love cannot face;
there is no limit to its faith,
its hope, and endurance.
In a word, there are three things
that last forever:
faith, hope, and love;
but the greatest of them all is love.”


 
 
Coventrie
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Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 11 2008, 7:24 PM 

Dear Laura

Like many others here on HH I have been concerned about your being swayed to and fro by your H's
actions and the way you have been feeling. For some of us here the answer is easy - give up, let go;
you are only responsible for your own behavior and it's your H who is responsible for his, etc. Now,
I know you know that, at least in one part of your mind. In the things you have written though I see
many echoes of the way I too have been pushed and pulled around over the years, and so I hope this
will help. What I write comes from experience...> but I know it works!


Truly, you cannot MAKE your H do anything, and it's obvious to any observer that he has no intention
of making changes unless he is FORCED to, and then, he will blame you. He is very, very good at this,
and once you recognise this Laura for what it is, then you have to consider how you will react.
I can see from what you write that it is very hard for you to acknowledge that your H whom you love and
care for DOES willingly and knowingly do things which he knows you don't want, which he knows hurt you,
and simply, knowing that, that he does not care. Your hurt is not his hurt; he is not being hurt at all,
he is doing as he likes, and all he will ever do whilst he can continue on the way he is, will be simple
'damage control', ie, he will do whatever it takes to shut you up. He will attack you where you are
vulnerable, slamming your mothering, your housekeeping, accusing you of not caring enough about your family
or your husband. He knows very well that these things work to keep you in line. That you are unhappy,
even miserable, doesn't matter to him. He does not feel your unhappiness. Simply, he wants what he wants,
and he will bluster and bully until you give it to him. What he wants is for you to keep putting up with
his behaviour.

I know only too well how hard it is to stand up to an H who is supposedly loving yet will withdraw support,
attention and affection and ATTACK with nasty words if you say something he does not like. I have lived
with that too, and I've also heard many, many people say 'Why do you put up with it'... Well, for lots
of reasons, but most of them came down to fear. Being afraid. Me being afraid of H.

I found it very hard to accept that H WAS 'that mean' because it didn't fit with what I WANTED to think about
him. However, that is the truth, and the more sneaky the situation, the harder it is for us to face it.

I think Laura that like me, you like to believe the best in people, and to believe that they mean well. It's
harder for us to accept that people WILL bully and threaten to get their own way and that some of those
people PRETEND to be loving and kind while acting quite the opposite. I think that you also, again, like I do,
see someone acting 'good' and think that's what they are really like or would always like to be like. This
just isn't so. For some people, like my H and yours, being nice is not what they really are. Being nice is
an act. They do it just often enough for us to believe they might do it more often, and the rest of the time,
they do just as they like, and walk all over us.

I can see you too are afraid Laura, and I can tell you, you CAN rearrange your life so you are not afraid and
vulnerable, and then, you will be able to take stock of where you are and what you want to do.

Look at all the things you like to do, what make you feel good. How many of those rely on your H? Work
on those. Move them out of his influence. Do things he can't affect or spoil.

Look at all the things you really need. How many of those rely on your H? Work to get those out of his
reach too. Make new friends. Learn new things. Get yourself into a job, study, or a new field of work if
you already have one. Work towards reinventing, or re-finding, yourself as a person who doesn't depend on
H for anything.

Look at your children. How are they being affected? Don't make excuses for your H to or pretend he is better
than he is. They will see through H by themselves, and they need to see and hear you being honest
about him too. They need your support, you need their respect. You can work on that. You don't have to be
rude or nasty about your H, just be truthful. Your children need a relationship with you that isn't
poisoned by you OR them covering up for your H's bad behavior.

Look at yourself. Where are your strengths, where do you need to do better? Think about how you feel when your H is mean. Rehearse a better response to yourself for next time he is nasty. Better still - don't respond at all. DON'T fall into the trap of thinking that he is 'talking' and you better make the most of the opportunity...
I got caught like that too - the only opportunity going on is the one he's taking to attack you, often before you realise it. As soon as you can't make the response you want or realise you're afraid to say what you really mean, stop talking. You don't have to participate in 'talks' that are just hidden ways to bully you some more.

Stack up the things you like doing, and have them ready for when H is mean, or absent. Do them all, one after the other. Show yourself that keeping busy and happy isn't dependent on how your H acts to you. It WILL become second nature to you after a while.

You might find this link reminds you of how your H behaves - I found it useful...

http://www.narcissism.operationdoubles.com/narcissistic_temper_tantrum.htm


Above all, remember, your self is your own, you have the right to look after yourself and love yourself. It is not loving on anyone's part to enable bad behavior especially when the target is ourselves!

Keep looking up Laura and keep moving forward.


C








 
 
DH
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Thanks, Kim

May 11 2008, 9:59 PM 

Thanks Kim for posting that quote from the Bible. I think that that truly defines what love should be and if those elements aren't there, then it isn't love. I hope that Laura can find the strength to stand up to her husband and tell him that no, he has to stop talking to OW REGARDLESS of whether she irons his shirts or not. That is the most ridiculous, asinine thing I've EVER heard! It is obvious to all of us here that he isn't willing to give up his affairs and that he feels he can continue them. He apparently doesn't think that continually talking to OW constitutes an affair because Laura has allowed it. Now that she wants it to end, he is tossing out whatever he thinks she wants to hear to appease her, until she gets riled up again.

Laura, you need to stand firm on your ground, letting him know that under NO circumstances will this be permitted, whether he has ironed clothing or not, it isn't going to happen. IF he continues, then Laura, YOU need to make a decision 1. accept it and learn to deal with it, 2. kick his sorry a$$ to the curb until he can get his crap together or 3. divorce him and walk away and start a new life for you and your children, away from this abuser. Your choice, your life, but you need to stand firm on what you choose and not waffle. Waffling only shows him that you aren't serious about your demands and gives him permission to walk all over you. Sorry if this is harsh, but you have been going back and forth for the past three years, ever since you came to HH. Take a stand for yourself NOW!

 
 

Anonymous
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Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 12 2008, 9:04 AM 

Thank you,. Kim.. reading your post to Laura, about standing ones ground or losing it, helped me more than 5 months of counseling did... and I love the biblical quote...
Laura, I agree with the others, hang in there,.... you are great...you don't deserve the @#$! that your H is putting you through..
Create a good support network ( of people close by that you can talk to or do things with) for yourself, if you don't already have one...
Take care
Lisa

 
 
TomJ
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Re: I asked him to stop talking to her-----

May 13 2008, 7:31 AM 

It's helpful to know what real love is. In addition, the Bible's teaching on love between a husband and a wife is... A man should love his wife as Christ loves the church (His bride). Christ became human, lived in a fallen world, endured much pain and suffering, sacrificed Himself, and died for the Church. Anything less of a husband falls short of that standard.

Your husband's unwillingness to end his relationship with the OW with or without conditions speaks volumes compared to any words that are uttered, if they can even be heard at all.

Tom


    
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