....http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24974674

Its official. Sort of.

"That was her sister - the Wicked Witch of the East. This is the Wicked Witch of the West.
And she's worse than the other one was." - Glinda

Homey.. sounds like you get your news from the fox news guys who wrote the original wizard of oz propaganda... and not the true story as it was actually told in "wicked"

 

Leaving at 5am see you in a month

 

 

"Well, it ain't braggin' if it's true
Yes sir, yes sir
It ain't braggin' if it's true
Muhammad Ali said that
Back when he was a young man
Back when he was Cassius Clay
Before he fought too many fights
And left his brain inside the ring"

Belko, better get your @ss in bed then. have fun. Don't worry about me and Foxnews, the only conservative show host I listen to is Michael Savage.

2 hours earlier here, I'm still packing...

Oh..Michael Savage..now there is some quality journalism.  That guy is 100% nutcake

"Well, it ain't braggin' if it's true
Yes sir, yes sir
It ain't braggin' if it's true
Muhammad Ali said that
Back when he was a young man
Back when he was Cassius Clay
Before he fought too many fights
And left his brain inside the ring"

"I never even said that he (Obama) was a muslim...but whatever makes your life easy, go for it.~murf1

"Honestly, I don't see the midwest voting for a Muslim."~murf2 ...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1199817016/OK+Season+is+over----Who+is+your+candidate---

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-fundraisertrial-o,0,1619099.story

Rezko scandal already casting shadow over presidential race

By MIKE ROBINSON |AP Legal Affairs Writer9:04 PM CDT, June 4, 2008

CHICAGO -
A corruption scandal involving a fundraiser who bankrolled the campaigns of Sen. Barack Obama and Gov. Rod Blagojevich is guaranteed to take on fresh life as the nation heads into a hard-fought presidential election.

Chicago businessman Antoin "Tony" Rezko, 52, was convicted Wednesday of fraud, money laundering and aiding and abetting bribery in a plot to squeeze illegal payoffs out of firms hoping to do business with the state..."

Add a convicted felon to Obama's growing list of past associates with questionable (at best) character that have supported his political career in one way or another, this latest one being a guy of Syrian origin that Obama has had close ties to for a long time. lmfao. Funny how the conviction came ONE day after the final primary, eh? How convenient! What a joke.





Let's see...

A convicted felon, an American terrorist and his lovely wife, 3 well known race-baiting poverty pimps, and a cracker preist who wants to be a black man from the inner city. Barack must be so proud!

It doesn't matter...
Nothing to see hear...
Everyone move along please...move along...come on people...move...

On the bright side, yes, I'm glad that the Clinton machine was finally defeated. The "Obama machine" ain't starting out all that great, as far as "scandalous ties" go, and he hasn't even been elected yet.

"Change we can believe in!"

Uhuh...

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"...I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." -Booker T. Washington, 1911

The official emblem of the Obazombies-



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"...I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." -Booker T. Washington, 1911

If that's the best you got chris, its pretty weak. Guilt by association. Keep building it up to be much more than it is. Keep avoiding the real issues of this country as if mis-statements and the attitudes of Jeremiah Wright are more relevant. lol.
The last guy in charge decimated the economy, tore the nation in half, ruined international relations, and caused countless deaths by pushing an unnecessary war. McCain, while a gentlemen, makes Betty White seem like a teenager. Obama can be nothing but an improvement over the current group of numbskulls.

Why not debate about Obama's policies instead of constantly bringing up trivial nonsense? Michelle Obama, educated at Princeton and Harvard, was screaming about "whitey" in a public forum? I thought "whitey" was from the 70s - does anyone even say "whitey" anymore? Failure to wear a lapel pin like a robot makes you unpatriotic? Give me an f******* break. Do you even know any of the specifics of Obama's plan? Oh that's right none of that matters because Obama is an angry black racist who loves terrorists. How low the intellectual debate has swung in this country. The murfs of this world are provided with all the anger fuel they need in the comfort of their living rooms, manipulated like puppets by hate-mongers with an agenda. Playing the people like a fiddle.



"Get a clue jack azz! Stop reading your history books" - quote from "Murf's Guide to Survivin' in Da Hood"

The murfs of this world are provided with all the anger fuel they need in the comfort of their living rooms, manipulated like puppets by hate-mongers with an agenda. Playing the people like a fiddle.
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I never said that I hate Obama...just his agenda and policy.
Who do I follow?

Rehash....
I hate the Bible Thumping religious taliban machine known as the Republican party.
I hate the Liberal nut job machine known as the Democrats.

I believe the Republican party has hurt this country more in the past 8 years than the previous 100 years under any President.

I believe that I have pretty much stated my reasons for not liking Obama and stated very clearly that Hillary was the best option of them all.

Now, you want to talk issues...lets talk issues...
Yes, he should be held acountable for his inner circle.
He is being endorsed by the most racist people in the media.
His wife the, "FIRST LADY", has made comments that should make anyone think twice about voting him inot office.
His bank roll from felons and racist has to make you think.
I know, we are not allowed to talk about that, lets just stay on the issues.

Issues

Gun control----no
Healthcare----no
Death penalty----no
Millitary---no
Taxes---no
Abortion---no
Education---no

So why would I want this guy in office?
He does not represent me on any issue.

It has nothing to do with that...it is b/c he is black and Hannity told me not to vote for him...

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I have to go now and cling to my guns and my religion!

you are way off base.

The last guy in charge decimated the economy, tore the nation in half, ruined international relations, and caused countless deaths by pushing an unnecessary war.

That is totally irrelevant. Don't you know the real issue is:

A) Your middle name
B) Whether your wife said WHitey
C) What your preacher says....

How can you be so misguided??

The last guy in charge decimated the economy, tore the nation in half, ruined international relations, and caused countless deaths by pushing an unnecessary war.


Unbelievable……..man do you see the world through the left wing goggles…..Check up on your Government history and learn the facts before you spew the ventricle hatred of Bush mania…I would take these points one by one but it’s a waste of time. Your talking points are straight out of move on. org.
Obama’s hanging with the click (all of them) does not reflect necessarily his views, but it does reflect his decision making capabilities. Can’t you see this? Unbelievable that a man of his record or lack of it, wants to rule the free world and actually has a chance too because of people like you and you unabashed hatred toward Bush………Remember change for the sake of change, no matter where the guy comes from or what his past is wrong…Take him by his philosophy if you will, talk about the issues if you will and actually listen to what the man say’s …He is a Liberal, socialistic, raise you taxes, big government, left winger that’s playing the racist card against anyone who stands in his way. He’s trying to play to the people by speaking eloquently about letting government take care of your every need because you’re too stupid to figure it out for yourself. But just because of you hatred of Bush and because Obama has a democrat name tag you will vote for him. He does not equate to a good or even adequate President.

"He does not equate to a good or even adequate President."

Even if that were so, it would be a huge step up compared to the current boob.
How is Obama playing the race card? How is he bringing "change for the sake of change" when things are terrible now and Obama actually has good ideas and a plan to implement them? Face it, you don't like Obama because he is a liberal. I don't like Bush because he lied about everything he was going to do to improve the country and because he plunged us into an avoidable mess. I think that I'm justified in feeling the way I do about Bush and so do many millions of other Americans. The biggest threat from Obama is that he has the potential to make Republicans look really bad. I like a lot of things about McCain but he doesn't have much of a grasp of how to improve the economy and is happy to extend the war indefinitely. Yes, Obama doesn't have a lot of experience but its clear he is very smart and very dedicated to making a positive impact. Bush acted like he had never been out of Texas before becoming president and it showed in his weak efforts at diplomacy.

"Get a clue jack azz! Stop reading your history books" - quote from "Murf's Guide to Survivin' in Da Hood"

BA, you can complain all you want about Obama's opponents supposedly "ignoring" the issues.

I posted plenty of reasons yesterday regarding his voting record (don't worry, many more coming), as to why I would not vote for him. Why would I, as a long-time, unappreciated by the GOP conservative, vote for the most liberal person in this election? So the country can become so screwed up that everyone will turn to conservatism again in 2012? LMFAO.

Mccain is almost a Dem, Hillary was lefter, and Obama is the leftist. Cry me a river for not bowing at the altar of the new marxist messiah, or for not being naive enough to beileve in wasting my time by going over his complete record and his promised policies with a magnifying glass/fine-tooth comb, so that I might find something I agree with enough to cause me to vote for him. lol.

Can't you see how hypocritical you're appearing? You've been more concerned about the supposed "racism" of murf on a damn football message board for the last 6 years, than the racist and felonious idiots that your favorite candidate has surrounded himself with, who helped him climb the Chicago political ladder. How consistent of you...

I've been consistent on my views regarding racial idiocy on this board. It's people like you that make excuses for it when you "need" to. Fugging pathetic, but by all means, keep spinning in circles trying to find where you really stand on the issue of racism, and those who associate with racists. If you want to give Obama a pass, that's your right. You are the one being inconsistent on the issue. If Bush or any Republican had been greased through the system by a bunch of race hustlers, you'd be wetting your panties daily over it. Quit trying to pretend to be all "offended" now that Obama is being held to the same standards that you'd have held any Republican to. Your sudden belief that associating with racists doesn't make you a racist, is a hyocritical joke. A large part of the electorate WILL be concerned with the associates of ANY candidate. It's always been that way! Now, all the sudden, you guys say past associations for POTUS are irrelevent. lol! Keep living in your fantasy world where racist associates should only count when they are linked to a conservative.

The chickens are coming home to roost for the PC police, who have ALWAYS been LIBERALS and the DEM party, and now, the SAME people who invented POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, and have jammed it down everyone's throats for the last 20 years because they were more "enlightened" and "superior" to everyone else, now seek to act like they never invented it or heard of it in the 1st place. Bwhahahaha. What priceless hypocrisy/delusion.

You guys want everyone to ignore Obama's associations.
Guess what? The only people that are going to do that are the people that Obama already has in his back pocket, the hypocrites, who any other time, would be screaming bloody murder about a Republican candidate who had past associates as damning as Obama has. Have fun spitting into the wind, trying to convince everyone else who isn't in his back pocket, to ignore his many idiot associates. Enjoy having your spit fly back in your face.

And many of the Obama supporters are going to do most of the work getting McCain elected anyway. Every critique of Obama is met with accusations of "hate-monger!/racist!" by his foaming at the mouth, over the top wingnuts, and many, many voters will tire of hearing it, and are already tired of it, and will even get angered by it, by the time the election gets here. Obama's supporters can't help themselves, either in the press, or just at the watercooler.

The shriller you get, complaining about people having the gall to associate Obama with the company he's kept all these years, which has been a STAPLE of American election discourse throughout our history, the faster your candidate is going to swirl down the tubes. Have fun hurrying it along, as I know I'm having a ball watching it happen.

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"...I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." -Booker T. Washington, 1911

I love the liberals...they amke me laugh..

Every time one of them screams about "stereotyping", they turn around do it.
You know, if you question a double standard on race issues or dont like the media rockstar...then you are a racist.

Beyond race, you can't have a conversation about race with idiots from the suburbs that don't have a clue what they are talking about.

I am tired of Bush bashing...
He is called a bad President...without any kind of reason.
Oh, thats right he has started an unjust war...
The economy has nothing to do with the President...Congress decides the budget and makes policy based on the economy and guess what idiots, the congress is controled by the liberal nut jobs...forgot about that little fact of life...funny how that slips the mind.
Congress has been contorled by the liberals for several years now.

I live in Ohio...a liberal leader in charge...over 10k jobs lost since he took office and more to come...now he just signed a bill to ban the Pay Day loan business. Another 6 thousand people out of work...

DHL leaving...another 10k leaving.
GM leaving ...another 5-6k leaving.

Glad we a liberal with all of the answers....

God Help us if Obama does win....Dingbat/Ried/Obama/Dangel....
Seriously, we are fuched!

“…man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.”

"Can't you see how hypocritical you're appearing? You've been more concerned about the supposed "racism" of murf on a damn football message board for the last 6 years, than the racist and felonious idiots that your favorite candidate has surrounded himself with..."

There is not one shred of evidence to suggest that OBAMA is a racist. murf, on the other hand, has consistently provided evidence that HE is a racist. Obama attended a black church that has been slapped with a separatist tag but in reality is not. Racism is an ever-present issue for black people, especially older black people, and resentment exists for good reason. Obviously, Wright chose a very unproductive and divisive way of venting his upset. However, if you see Obama as an angry black man who has an agenda against whites, then you are seeing what you want to see, not what the evidence suggests. Clearly, Obama is able to empathize with Wright's frustration without sharing his attitudes. Another complexity of life that a lot of conservatives have a hard time with.

"...keep spinning in circles trying to find where you really stand on the issue of racism, and those who associate with racists. If you want to give Obama a pass, that's your right. You are the one being inconsistent on the issue. If Bush or any Republican had been greased through the system by a bunch of race hustlers, you'd be wetting your panties daily over it. Quit trying to pretend to be all "offended" now that Obama is being held to the same standards that you'd have held any Republican to. Your sudden belief that associating with racists doesn't make you a racist, is a hyocritical joke."

The difference between us is that you won't appreciate that black people have a right to be angry about what has been done to them. Sometimes that creates racist attitudes, as in the case of Jeremiah Wright. I don't know much about the man, but its clear as day that he's seen some things have led him to the place he is at now. The thing is, you cling desperately onto the Wright issue as if its the golden ticket to discrediting Obama, instead of trying to find evidence in Obama's own statements or behavior that suggest he is a racist. Just like many people have their fingers crossed that the Michelle Obama "whitey" tape exists. Wouldn't that be fantastic!

"The chickens are coming home to roost for the PC police, who have ALWAYS been LIBERALS and the DEM party, and now, the SAME people who invented POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, and have jammed it down everyone's throats for the last 20 years because they were more "enlightened" and "superior" to everyone else, now seek to act like they never invented it or heard of it in the 1st place. Bwhahahaha. What priceless hypocrisy/delusion."

It's kind of alarming how much pleasure you take in that idea. News flash -- not all liberals are about political correctness. Some are for truth, and discussion, so that the stereotypes and biases that led us down the PC path can be addressed openly. Few people, left or right, have the stones to do that.

"The shriller you get, complaining about people having the gall to associate Obama with the company he's kept all these years, which has been a STAPLE of American election discourse throughout our history, the faster your candidate is going to swirl down the tubes. Have fun hurrying it along, as I know I'm having a ball watching it happen."

I'm glad this sort of turmoil brings you pleasure. We all need some happiness in our lives, right?

This is the deal. I have a good feeling about John McCain. I think he's a good man who would be twice the president George Bush is. I'm not concerned about the stories of the company McCain has kept, or that he may have cheated on his wife, or whatever. I give him a pass on that because I believe he's generally an honorable person. That said, I have a better feeling about Barack Obama and his ability to turn things around in this country. I feel strongly he is not a racist, and that he is capable of respecting Jeremiah Wright without sharing his attitudes on race. Call that hypocritical, I don't care. It's not as simple as you would like it to be.


"Get a clue jack azz! Stop reading your history books" - quote from "Murf's Guide to Survivin' in Da Hood"

"I am tired of Bush bashing...
He is called a bad President...without any kind of reason.
Oh, thats right he has started an unjust war...
The economy has nothing to do with the President...Congress decides the budget and makes policy based on the economy and guess what idiots, the congress is controled by the liberal nut jobs...forgot about that little fact of life...funny how that slips the mind.
Congress has been contorled by the liberals for several years now."

You're right, lets talk about the good things the man has done...still waiting...still thinking...darn, why cant I think of one thing? LOL...still waiting...still can't come up with it...oh well, nice try Murf. LMAO!

The Economy has nothing to do with the President? So the checks and balances the PResident does on issues like tax cuts, the budget, spending, executive budgets, the war -- are you saying his signature (approval) isnt required for all of these things? Jesus, Murf, go back to 9th grade Civics class and get a fukking refresher.

For the record, the Democrats have been in control of Congress for 18 months, not several years. LOL

You act like the nation's economy and Ohio's economy was BOOMING from 2001-2006. Are you fukking kidding me???????????????

LOL

How many thousands of jobs were lost in Ohio from 2000-2006? Check your facts, bro!

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/out-work-ohio

First off both Republicans and Democrats sling the sh!t...each party gets down and dirty,happens every election. If Obama uses race and gets votes good for him! Just like Bush used religion to gobble up votes! They got to do what they got to do. If people fall for their BS so be it. CNN vs FOX news...Swift Boat Vets vs Move On . org. King Kong vs Godzilla...Falc vs an intelligent thought...etc. It all comes down to this...in Nov. you have three viable choices...Obama..McCain..or don't vote at all...and finally to Chris,for someone that "DOESN'T CARE" who wins this election your pouring it on Barrack Obama pretty thick

BAC, I don't care enough to vote for either of them, but McCain has paid his dues.
Obama? Nah. McCain spent more time being tortured in a POW camp than Obama has spent as a Senator. Of course I'm going to attack Obama more. He's a Dem, my natural political enemy.
Doesn't mean I'm enthusiastic about McCain.

"...There is not one shred of evidence to suggest that OBAMA is a racist..."

Only to a see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil liberal. That's it. To everyone else, his 20 year relationship with Wright is plenty of "shreds" of evidence. That's over 1000 Sundays of sermons he got to hear. Let's be real conservative, and say he only attended church there 10% of the time. That's 100 sermons by the honorable Rev Wright that he heard. He must have liked what he was hearing, since he donated $20,000 bucks to the Rev over the years.

"...murf, on the other hand, has consistently provided evidence that HE is a racist..."

Murf is not running for president. See, in the minds of most American voters, they hold PRESIDENTIAL candidates to a higher standard than Joe 6 pack, and they care about who their PRESIDENTIAL candidates ASSOCIATE with. Murf is not going to raise your taxes. Murf is not going to negotiate with Iran. Murf is not going to take our guns away. No matter what Murf wants, does, or says, it's irrelevant. Hardly the same case for Obama. Comparing the two is silly, and caring more about what Murf says than who Obama associated with for 20 years is even sillier to everyone except those having Obasms.

"...Obama attended a black church that has been slapped with a separatist tag but in reality is not. Racism is an ever-present issue for black people, especially older black people, and resentment exists for good reason..."

Once again, we arrive at your general thesis, that only whites can be racist. Pathetic. Resentment? Try pandering. The poverty, race-baiting pimps in this country have made a living out of expoiting their own. See my sig. Booker T. called it, and was prophetic, and he was right. If blacks have a problem in this land, it has been fostered by Democrat idiots that seek to keep them on the plantation in perpetuity by making them reliant on them instead of reliant on themselves. The Dem party has done more to foster problems in the black community than the KKK ever did.

"...Obviously, Wright chose a very unproductive and divisive way of venting his upset..."

lol. The guy lives in a fugging mansion. He's not venting, he's pandering and enabling, because he can make a profit off it. Now it's "anger." Guess what? It's not flying with half of America, thank God. He's a poverty pimp of the first order. He gins up the anger, then profits off it because he tells his fellow congregants that nothing is their fault, and it's all on whitey, and guys like you enable him by "understanding" the crap he spews. It's a crock. You want the black community to get up on it's feet? Tell them to stop having children out of wedlock at a 70-80% clip, which liberalism has fostered.

"...However, if you see Obama as an angry black man who has an agenda against whites, then you are seeing what you want to see, not what the evidence suggests..."

The evidence suggests to me that he was perfectly fine being a member of a church for 20 years, who's "God Damn AmeriKKKa" pastor is a close associate with Louie "Judaism is a gutter religion" Farrakhan, a well known whitey hater who calls white people "blue eyed devils." That is the "evidence." Actions speak LOUDER THAN WORDS, and his ACTIONS tell me that he thought it was perfectly acceptable to be joined at the hip with Wright for 20 years, which either shows that he agreed with him on a lot of the crap that spews from his face, or he is incredibly idiotic, considering his aspirations for political office. Take your pick. Neither option is good.

"...Clearly, Obama is able to empathize with Wright's frustration without sharing his attitudes..."

Clearly, Obama is an idiot for thinking that "empathizing" with the views of a racist black man is perfectly acceptable even when aspiring to high political office. You have two choices: You can say that Obama "empathized" enough with Wright to stick it out for 20 years, but not enough "empathy" to stick by his guy after the sh!t hit the fan. Either way, he either empathizes with him, or threw him under the bus when he needed to. Which choice points to this great "character" of Obama? If he didn't see anything wrong with Wright's views, then why not stick to his guns? He's a pussy, if he truly understands Wright's "greivances," because he jettisoned him as soon as the going got tough, so he's either spineless, or a panderer when it's convenient to be a panderer. Take your pick.

"...Another complexity of life that a lot of conservatives have a hard time with..."

Keep pandering to their woes, BA. It's gotten them sooooo far listening to apologists like yourself over the years. Maybe we can get to 90% illegitamcy in the black populace, or even 100%, with Obama and you making excuses for every action of the black community. You and Wright cry about all this pervasive "racism," yet Obama stands on the threshold of POTUS. Yeah, great argument! Here's what YOU don't get: Myself, and plenty of other Americans would be HAPPY to vote for a black man who's values represents ours. Sorry, Obama isn't the guy. Blame the demoncraps for trying to foist liberal extremism on America, which most Americans won't go for, in the form of their new guy, Obama. For every American that won't vote for Obama just because he's black, is an idiot that will, just because he's black.

"... The difference between us is that you won't appreciate that black people have a right to be angry about what has been done to them..."

Yeah, and living in the past is going to heal the races! Keep blaming whitey for everything, that'll bring the races to a common understanding! What a joke. Tell me what I, as a white man, have done to them. Tell me, please! Black people in this country have the highest standard of living among blacks in the entire world. Look it up. Your argument is sh!t. That crap made sense 40 years ago when the Republicans were fighting for civil rights for blacks against the wishes of a large majority of the Dem party. Now? It's just more pandering on your part, and the part of the plantation owners in the Dem party.

"...Sometimes that creates racist attitudes, as in the case of Jeremiah Wright..."

And sometimes Jeramiah Wright creates racist attitudes. You need to accept this, without all the flowery crap about how you "get it" and no one else does.

"...I don't know much about the man, but its clear as day that he's seen some things have led him to the place he is at now..."

Yeah, he's seen that pandering to blacks about "whitey" is a big money maker. Forgive those of us that don't admire him for that.

"...The thing is, you cling desperately onto the Wright issue as if its the golden ticket to discrediting Obama, instead of trying to find evidence in Obama's own statements or behavior that suggest he is a racist..."

And you cling desperately to the notion that blacks CAN'T be racists by virtue of their race, that ONLY whites can be racists. What a joke of an idea. But don't worry, Rev Wright loves you!

The evidence" that you keep saying doesn't exist, is a 20 year relationship with a BLACK RACIST. But keep your head in the sand regarding black racism, they'll all welcome you with open arms soon, I'm sure...

"...Just like many people have their fingers crossed that the Michelle Obama 'whitey' tape exists. Wouldn't that be fantastic!"

Sure would be. It would prove that the Obama's are experts at hiding who they really are. Do you know that a reporter from a lib-pub asked him about it today? He never denied it. lol. His answer would have put slicky willie to shame. All he had to do was say "no." He didn't do that. Instead, he gave us the same crap he always gives. He said if it exists, then let's get it out there, and that "This isn't going to solve anything..blah blah blah blah..."

No "no, she would never say anything like that" in his entire, convoluted answer.

"... It's kind of alarming how much pleasure you take in that idea. News flash -- not all liberals are about political correctness..."

Yes, it is shocking that the very ideology that forced it on everyone, is now acting like they never did. Very shocking indeed...

"...Some are for truth, and discussion, so that the stereotypes and biases that led us down the PC path can be addressed openly..."

Who? Which ones? The "truth?" "Discussion?" The overcoming of stereotypes and biases? Like Obama talking about Christians clinging to their guns and their religion? Yeah, that's very constructive! lol. The guy is an empty rhetorical demogogic suit, and a lot of people who have a brain, like you, fall for it.

"...Few people, left or right, have the stones to do that."

Tell me about it. The people that gave the entire country political correctness, only want to recognize it when they can use it to affect the character of their political opponents. If they are caught not being politically correct themselves, well, pay no attention to us, we're liberals. lol. Stones indeed...

"...I'm glad this sort of turmoil brings you pleasure. We all need some happiness in our lives, right?"

Pleasure? No. Justice? Yes. Justice is good. I like justice, especially when applied to the party that started the politically correct crap to begin with. You betcha.

"...This is the deal. I have a good feeling about John McCain. I think he's a good man who would be twice the president George Bush is. I'm not concerned about the stories of the company McCain has kept, or that he may have cheated on his wife, or whatever..."

What stories? I haven't heard of him cheating on his wife, and I've certainly seen no history of it with him. Aside from that, I'm glad you like him. It's no surprise to me that you do. He'd make a fine, middle of the road Democrat. As I've said before, the left really can't lose in this election, no matter who gets elected. I'm done voting for the evil of two lessers. McCain is a fine human being that served his country heroically, and paid the price with suffering and pain, and turned down an opportunity to go home because others had been there longer than he, which subjected him to further brutality. I'm not voting for him though, because I don't think he really cares all that much for conservative ideals. He seems to ignore true conservatives, and paints them in the "neo-con" corner, as if it's the same thing. I would prefer he win the election, but I don't care enough one way or the other to vote for him. Whatever will be, will be. That's my attitude about this election.

"...I give him a pass on that because I believe he's generally an honorable person. That said, I have a better feeling about Barack Obama and his ability to turn things around in this country..."

Why? What gives you that feeling? His airy speeches? His long record of serving at the national level? The fact that he's 1/2 black? What is it? All I've heard is "change/hope/yes we can!" and the same rhetorical Dem-speak that I hear every 4 years.
"I'm going to make sure the government takes care of your problems..." Blah.

"...I feel strongly he is not a racist, and that he is capable of respecting Jeremiah Wright without sharing his attitudes on race. Call that hypocritical, I don't care. It's not as simple as you would like it to be."

I question his judgement and naivete'. Only an extremely naive person would think that no one would care about his association with Wright for so long if aspiring to high national political office. I'm glad you "feel" that he's not a racist. I don't know if he is or he isn't, but his relationship with Wright doesn't earn him points, it takes away points in the minds of those who will be voting for the potus.

Look at Colin Powell- He's not much different than McCain is as far as politics, but I'd vote for him, because he's black and NOT a totally immersed left winger with a bunch of questionable associates. Yes, I'd vote for him because he's black, whereas I won't be voting for McCain. I know that might not make much sense to you, but it makes sense to me.
I could have enthusiasm to vote for a black centrist for prez. A white centrist? Yawn. It's been done before...

I keep hearing people saying that it's amazing that Obama is so close to being potus, and that's a step in the right direction for America regarding race relations. I totally disagree. The REAL step will come when a black man runs and everyone that doesn't want to vote for him based on his politics and/or his associates ISN'T called a racist by his minions. THAT's when REAL progress will be made, not when the Dems trot out their favorite lefty-du jour, and then call all his political opponents racists because they don't agree with his ideology.
We're a long way from that, and might not ever get there.

When the sh!t was hitting the fan last week between Obama and Clinton regarding the Florida/Michigan delegates, I visited the Dem underground and saw people talking about burning cities down if Obama doesn't win. If they do that in November and he doesn't win, you can forget about having another black nominee for prez for another 100 years or so.

My biggest fear regarding Obama is that he will be shot before the election, or soon after, if he wins. That would be a true disaster of epic proportions.

If he's elected prez, do you think the race pimps like Wright and Farrakhan and Jackson are going to go away? lol. We'll see. As I've said before, if he wins, he takes away a lot of the excuses that blacks seem to hold onto so dearly. What will they do with a black prez? Will the fathers start to suddenly take responsibility for their children? Will blacks stop killing each other? Will blacks stop sh!tting all over their fellow black that take an education seriously? I believe a lot of people are voting for Obama because they think this is what will happen, and that's a damn silly reason to vote for someone, if your pie is that high in the sky. Everything about Obama is "what are you going to do for me, Barack?" People that depend on the government to improve their lives instead of depending on themselves and the opportunities afforded to EVERYONE in this nation, are generally idiots, and shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

I vote for people who I think are going to do the best thing for the country. Period. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but that's why I vote. My impression of Obama is that he panders to all the seperate "groups" in the country, and promises whatever he needs to promise depending on who he's talking to that day. If he's speaking to Arab Americans, he talks about Palestine controlling Jerusalem. If he's talking to a Jewish group, he promises that Jerusalem will never be divided. I hate *******s like that. You "feel" good about him. That's fine! I "feel" wary of him, because I think he says whatever he needs to say, depending on the situation. He also likes to stretch the truth and place himself into seminal moments of history, when on review, he gets caught lying. He said he was a product of "Selma." Sounds really inspiring on the surface, until you see that he was born in 1961, and Selma took place 3 or 4 years later. He says his dad came to America from Africa via Kennedy donations, and isn't it incredible how history links him to the Kennedys, until you find out that no, the Kennedy's didn't start donating to the African airlifts to America until a year after his dad came here. He likes to stretch the truth, and I don't trust people like that, no matter what color they are.

Look man, color me skeptical, alright? I think you know I like you as a person, BA. I get heated up about this crap, maybe more than you do, and I think your intentions are good, but intentions don't do a thing for me, really, in terms of politics. All I care about is results, not good intentions that fail to produce anything except dependancy, and certainly not excuses for accepting what passes for racism if one race says something evil, but not when another race says something evil.

The only way to solve the race problem in this land is to hold EVERYONE accountable to the same standards. You can't have one standard for one group, and another for another group. What are the allowances for guys like Homey? How much racism is he allowed to get away with, vs whites, and vs blacks? He's asian. Is he in the middle? Is he allowed to spout more racial crap than whites, but not as much as blacks? What about hispanics? Making excuses for idiots like Wright isn't going to solve a damned thing. It might make you feel better, but it's not going to solve anything.

Liberal policies are all about good intentions, and crap like LBJ's "Great Society" has done nothing but foster a dependancy on government, no more so than among blacks. I cannot support liberalism as it's defined today. The Republicans of the 40s/50s/ and 60s were the ones that rammed civil rights through our government, not the Democrats, although sure, there were some Democrats that sided with them, but Southern Dems fought it every step of the way, and once it passed, it's like the good old boys that controlled the Dem party said to themselves "OK, look, we can't do anything about it now. It's over. The god damned ni**ers have civil rights now, so what can we do to capitalize on that?"

They sold their "good intentions," and enter big daddy gubmint, and welfare, and every other program under the sun that conditioned blacks to depend on Dems. I have no respect for that or for that type of ideology, as it's done more to keep blacks down than any thing ever done in this country, and it's been going on for so long, that blacks in general see the Dem party as the party that "cares" for them, nevermind the reality that they were the party that opposed civil rights. The Dem party doesn't "care" about blacks. They just make them dependant on the Dem party, and use them to win elections. How nice of them...

How in the hell did the Dems become the party of blacks when it was largely the Dem party that stood in the way of civil rights, fighting against it tooth and nail? They gave them other people's money, that's all, and as is common with human nature, if someone gives you something, you're going to like them more than the people that tell you to get up, get out, and depend on your own ingenuity to make it in life, just like everyone else does.

Democrats don't respect that ideal, and I, in turn, have no respect for their party.
The Dem history with blacks seems to be "you scratch our backs, and we'll scratch yours..."

Lame.

You really didn't know about McCain cheating on his wife? That's old news.

You at least knew his current wife got busted illegally with prescription pills a la Rush Limbaugh right? Felony charges but she never did a damn bit of time. Same thing would send either of us to the house for a year or two.

"They sold their "good intentions," and enter big daddy gubmint, and welfare, and every other program under the sun that conditioned blacks to depend on Dems. I have no respect for that or for that type of ideology, as it's done more to keep blacks down than any thing ever done in this country, and it's been going on for so long,"

Look, I disagree with socialism for the same reasons you do and hate a depend on the government attitiude as it ignores the historical fact that all-powerful governments rarely avoid doing great evil. But, you have gotta be kidding me here. Welfare has done more harm to blacks than slavery itself? I really can't imagine much worse than slavery. Can you imagine having your daughter raped in front of you and being tortured and probably killed if you attempted to do anything about it? Certainly worse than becoming lazy over time b/c money appears in the mail ffor you and you have developed a penchant for weed and cheetos. And slavery existed for several more hundreds of years than welfare. I think the fact that whites act as if slavery wasn't a big deal and that it was "so long ago" is kind of annoying. As if the very real suffering and injustice of slavery is now a passe or even taboo topic. To even bring it up illicits charges of "using the race card." Slavery was real, and it sucked, deal with it.

Oh for crying out loud...sheesh. Here's what I said-

"...They sold their "good intentions," and enter big daddy gubmint, and welfare, and every other program under the sun that conditioned blacks to depend on Dems. I have no respect for that or for that type of ideology, as it's done more to keep blacks down than any thing ever done in this country..."

No where did I say welfare did more harm to blacks than slavery. I thought it obvious from the context of my statement what I meant, but I guess not...at least for you.

Here, I'll spell it out for you and change the words to what I thought was OBVIOUSLY meant, OK?

"...I have no respect for that or for that type of ideology, as it's done more to keep blacks down than any other government sponsored handout program ever done in this country..."

Better? Gee, I sure hope so!

And I want to thank Barack for once again, proving me right. Please note what I said earlier in my previous post...

"...My impression of Obama is that he panders to all the seperate "groups" in the country, and promises whatever he needs to promise depending on who he's talking to that day. If he's speaking to Arab Americans, he talks about Palestine controlling Jerusalem. If he's talking to a Jewish group, he promises that Jerusalem will never be divided. I hate *******s like that..."

This statement was based on how I see Obama "operate," not on anything that's actually happened yet regarding a flip-flop on his position regarding Jerusalem.

Oooops! Wrong! LMFAO!

Yesterday, the great panderer said this in front of a Jewish American group, pandering for their votes...

"'...Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided,' Obama declared Wednesday, to rousing applause from the 7,000-plus attendees at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference..."

I knew all about what he said yesterday to the Jewish group, and I used his statement to them merely as an example of his typical flip-flop pandering, "...whatever makes you feel good, I'll say...until I need to make someone different feel good the next day..." policy.

So what did his campaign "clarify" about THAT statement today, JUST ONE DAY LATER? (which I didn't even know about when I made the original example of how he panders to different groups...)

"...Facing criticism from Palestinians, Sen. Barack Obama acknowledged today that the status of Jerusalem will need to be negotiated in future peace talks, amending a statement earlier in the week that Jerusalem 'must remain undivided.'"

lmfao.

Here I was, using what he said yesterday to the Jewish group merely as an EXAMPLE of his constant pandering habits, not even knowing at the time when I typed it up that he'd ALREADY had to "amend/clarify/change/flip-flop" on his rather CLEAR statement from yesterday. Fugging priceless.

"Undivided" means undivided, Barack. Undivided does not mean "...must negotiate a division of the city later..."

Idiot.

Thank you Barack. You continue to amaze me, and what's more amazing is your flock of followers that don't seem to give a crap how many times you change your mind, as long as it sounds smooth coming out of your lying mouth.

This man is a pandering, disingenuous, empty suit of a joke. Keep your heads buried in the sand, Obamanation. A man who seeks to be all things to all people is often nothing to anyone but himself and his own advancement.

Go ahead, and keep believing every puff of smoke he blows up your asses to make you feel "good." I'll pass.

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"...I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." -Booker T. Washington, 1911

You know how many days Obama served as a Senator before he announced his intention to run for president and began his campaign? 143 days.

The man was a Senator for 143 session days in the Senate, before he began his campaign for prez.

Someone, please, explain to me how that makes him more qualified than McCain or Hillary to be president. I really want to know.

143 days. lmfao. Simply audacious.

I knew Obama was a noo-b on the national political scene, but I had no idea he'd only served as a Senator for 143 days while the Senate was in session before he announced his candidacy. I know he fibbed about not running this year, but a lot of people do that, so I won't hold that against him, but 143 days? Does he really think he's that much of a savior that he couldn't at least wait until 2012, when he could at least claim some modicum of REAL experience in the US Senate?

Isn't that rather arrogant? I mean, I know you have to have a monster ego to run for prez in the 1st place, but wow. Having THAT much of an ego alone should be enough to disqualify him in the minds of many people. 143 days. Sheeeeeat...

Can anyone tell me if anyone else in the 200+ year history of this nation has ran for president with less national political experience? If not, what makes Obama "the one" that is so special that he should be given a pass on such a lack of experience? How can this glaring lack of experience be OK with you?

If you were building a house, would you get a contractor that had virtually no experience? Do you hold the importance of the office of the presidency in less regard than the builder of a new house?

Once one announces intentions to run for president, their "senatorial" interests and responsibilities kinda go on the back burner, ya know? Never mind the fact that during those short 143 days, he was obviously already getting geared up to run, so the actual days he spent just being a hum-drum Senator was probably even less than 143 days.

"Hello my fellow Americans... My name is Barack Obama, and I was a Senator for 143 days before I announced my intention to run for potus, and began my campaign thusly. Some of you might say that 143 days as a Senator on the national political scene isn't enough time for me to gain all the experience I might need to be competent enough to hold such an important position in this government. Well, it might not be enough time for any of you mere mortals, but dammit, it was enough time for me, because I'm Barack Obama, and I'm just THAT DAMN GOOD! I AM, THAT I AM. Bow down, all ye that hear my soothing voice. I command thee. My will be done..."

143 days.

LMMFAO.

My gawd, the campaign ads are going to be delicious.

I can see them now...

"Barack Obama spent 143 days as a United States Senator before declaring his intention to run for president. John McCain served for nearly 3 decades in the US Congress after enduring 5 and a half years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. Who do you think is more qualified to occupy the highest political office in the United States of America? Who is more deserving? Isn't the choice obvious?"

lol.

Blame Howard Dean. The man is obviously a GOP mole within the Dem party.

Maybe the entire Dem party is nothing but a bunch of GOP moles.

I swear, if it isn't that, then they must be the dumbest collection of sunsabiatches in American political history. They figured that the hatred of Bush was sooooo great, that they could offer up any candidate and win the WH, lack of experience be damned.

The Audacity of (Dem) Dopes...

America IS sick of Bush, yes, but the Dems really over-estimated themselves, imho. lol.

143 days. Is this common knowledge among the electorate?

I'm putting my name and avatar up for bets to the first person who wants a piece of the action. If Obama is the next prez, you get to name me and pick my avatar for a year.
(1 name/1 avatar) If McCain is the next prez, I get to do the same to you. 1st come, 1st served.

All bets are off if either of the candidates drops out before the election, for whatever reason. Offer excludes known welcher of losing bets. Any takers?

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143 days. Yes its a short time but in no way do I see it as arrogant. He had a real chance to be the nominee when he announced his candidacy, so why not? I mean obviously his campaign was the best ran and beating the Clinton Machine was no small task. I say he destroys McCain in the general election, you heard it here first.

"Can anyone tell me if anyone else in the 200+ year history of this nation has ran for president with less national political experience?"

George Bush?

I count zero days.


ANd Chris,

Obama's comments are not mutually exclusive of each other. I understood him in his first comments to mean that Jerusalem was not going to be cut in half or separated in barbed wire with troops like it was from the 40's through the 60's. I hear his idea it as a peaceful unity with Arabs, jsut because he says "undivided" doesn't mean both people cant live there one day (although that day is far off IMO).

I know you like to get all bothered about Obama and his supporters. Its actually becoming amusing for some of us on the board. Keep it up. LOL

chris, you could start an anti-Obama blog to truly express your hatred and contempt for the man.

"Get a clue jack azz! Stop reading your history books" - quote from "Murf's Guide to Survivin' in Da Hood"

Like I said 4 years ago about Bush...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/message/1097793465/Re-+Storm+I+hear+ya---

...Everything he touches turns to sh!t. No difference between Dumbya and Mikey.

There is not one shred of evidence to suggest that OBAMA is a racist. murf, on the other hand, has consistently provided evidence that HE is a racist.
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Oh, how many times must we travel this road?
Name 1...better yet, you say that I do it consistently, give five examples.

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Back to Obama....
Why did he attend a church that hands out HAMMAS pamphlets?
20 years involved in a racist church, and nobody on the left can see a problem with that.

Lil' Kim has an attitude about Whitey and his big money man was just found guilty on felony charges....(for those who get the Cincy Enquirer, it was on the side of page 5, no the front page).

Amazing how so many are so blind...
Scary to think about the next 4 years.


“…man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.”

"Lil' Kim has an attitude about Whitey"

Proof positive that you are not just a Mike Brown sheep, but also a Fox News sheep. Murf believes everything he hears that supports his biases.
Hey murf, is that really the current leader of Iran in the 1979 hostage photograph? Hit me back with the answer bro. http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/message/1212468961/Re-+Repub+sheople---

"Get a clue jack azz! Stop reading your history books" - quote from "Murf's Guide to Survivin' in Da Hood"

Murf,

Its scary to think about the last 8 years.

Budget Surplus - Gone

Unemployment - From 2000-2008 - Highest in Ohio since the Great Depression

Median Income Per Capita - Slashed

Housing Market - HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH Pathetic - For those who say it isnt Dubya and Congresses fault, why did he proclaim for 3 CONSECUTIVE YEARS (actually he bragged) about having the most per capita home ownership in our country's history. Funny, I dont hear him talking about that anymore.

Balanced Budget - Laughable, they dont believe in those.

Tax Cuts - For the wealthy, they obviously need it. LMAO!

Military - VA treatment and expenditures are insulting to those who served. President thretened to veto house bill on expanding VA rights. And you think he supports the military - LMAO

Since Bush was elected, more people are on welfare, more people lost their jobs than any president since FDR, more people are without health insurance than any President for 30 years, and more people lost their houses since the 40's.

Yeah, TRY AND TELL ME it could get worse. Do you think I'm fukking stupid?



"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Bush, the only war time president to cut taxes and he and his sheep have the gull to call people unpatriotic for wanting to do the inevitable and raise taxes to pay for this war. You wanna bomb bomb Iran, then pay for it.

Just remember murf, these are the same people that backed Slick Willie when he tried to parse what the meaning of "is" is. Now they hate his guts, and especially his wife's guts, even though they believed everything they said about "a vast right wing conspiracy." Poor Bill and Hilly, dumped by all their former worshippers so soon for a guy with 143 days of experience in the US Senate. lmfao. Comparing governors to senators is a bad example, as most presidents have been former governors, not Senators. Bush was governor for plenty of years before he announced his run for the White House. He certainly didn't do it 143 days after being inaugurated as governor in Texas.

Yeah Bronco, and I'm sure all 7000 Jewish people that stood up and gave him an ovation after he said that, "interpreted" it just like you Obamabots do. lmfao.

The fact that he had to "clarify" his comments and "amend" them the very next day shows just how lame-ass that explanation is, but keep copying and pasting the spin that his campaign staff used to "explain" the latest flip-floppery that came out of his mouth. lol. Sure, I believe them!

Are you saying that Obama didn't realize that his comments about an "undivided Jerusalem" wouldn't be interpreted EXACTLY how they WERE interpreted in front of 7000 JEWS? LMMFAO.
Yeah, blame the people for taking him at his word, instead of the idiot that pandered to them, knowing damn well how his words would be interpreted. What a hoot.

Believe me, I find you just as amusing regarding this topic, and look forward to more of it. See if you can offer a defense without copying, almost verbatim, from the spin of his campaign machine. Not exactly a very "credible" source to quote in an attempt to prove how he didn't actually pander to anyone.

Why would I need to start a blog, BA? Anti-Obama blogs are all the rage everywhere on the internet. Bunch of GD racists everywhere! lmfao.

Med, are you taking the bet? It sounds like it. Confirm please. You don't post much here, so not sure how "fair" it will be to me if I lose or win, but I forgot to put that qualifier in my challenge, so just confirm it for me. I'd rather bet with BA or Bronco, but wtf, it's all good.

"...white folks greed runs a world in need..."

Is that a racist statement? Is Obama quoting that statement from his pal, the Rev Wright (who stole it from another race baiter), a viable example of how he didn't pay any attention to Wright for 20 years? Is it an example of how he knew nothing of the man's ideology? Is quoting that an example of how HE, the great Barack, doesn't hold a "blame everything on whitey!" philosophy?

Yeah, keep telling yourselves that.

Obama just may win. He has plenty of useful idiots.

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5508

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Again ...no evidence, just side steps...

Bronco.....
Bush has nothing to do with these events that he gets the blame for by the nut job left...who control the congress, that is in charge of most of the list.

Why worry about the past 8 years, we have to fix the problems infront of us and Obama is not the right person.
the media forced this sh!t on us and we will see how much the media protects him as he fails.

Still waiting on the evidence...




“…man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.”

Murf,

What in your mind does the President do? Set policies?

HE fukking signs bills and passes them, right? Sorry, but he gets some accountability for putting hios signature on things and making them law. I know you live in some la-la land where Bush gets a free pass, but you need to wake up and smell what he just gave you the past 8 years. THIS HAS BEEN THE WORST PRESI