Hypocrisy....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/03/obama-getting-heat-for-turning-up-thermostat/

Lobbyist hypocrisy...

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/20471.asp

Tax Cheats...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28994296/

Palling around with dictators...

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/article.php?news_id=13952


GET HIM OUT!!!

The only response you are going to get on this board is something that Bush did.

The above doesn't bother me as much as what he plans on doing and that is gov taking over health care, banking and everything else they can get their hands on to turn this country more dependent on government.

Has Obama done anything to:

a) get thousands of Americans killed for no reason?

b) flush our economy down the toilet?


This is like Bush's best day in office. Thank God we've got a smart, competent man in office to make good Americans feel proud again. Ignore the haters Barack! Their rectums are smarting after have a liberal broom shoved up there for the past 8 years.

"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk." - football genius Mike Brown

"Their rectums are smarting after have a liberal broom shoved up there for the past 8 years."


Sounds like you talk from experience of having a liberal broom shoved up your rectum. It must really hurt having that broom and your head up there at the same time.

Waaaaaaa--waaaaaaaa-waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Is this chick for real Falc?



P.S. that India Daily article was the worst piece of "journalism" I've ever read. murf could have written a piece with better spelling and grammar!

"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk." - football genius Mike Brown

Wait a second--you pride yourself on leading a liberal type of living--yet you ask me if "this chick's for real".

Nice contradiction.

I hope at the next gay pride parade--that they kick your azz for being a fraud, DickCheese.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

b) flush our economy down the toilet?
~~~~~~~~~~

As a matter of fact......YES!

Why do all of the liberals get a free pass for the economy?

~~~~~~~~~
Bush didn't kill thousands....Muslim nut jobs killed thousands.
Bush in fact, saved thousands of lives in this country.
How many coward attacks have been spoiled b/c of Bush and his much hated policy?

Your lefty nut jobs....have had control for 2 years....did nothing, zip, zilcho, to make sure that right failed in this election.
Brilliant plan, besides it created more havoc than they ever could have dreamed.
Now what?
You got your jesus in office, now how are you going to fix YOUR mistakes.
Bush gets some blame too, but I can't take this Blame Bush anymore as the liberal nut jobs get a free pass.
Daschle/Ried/Polosi/Boxxer----hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All complete scum bags, that had thier hands so deep into this mess, it will take 20 years to get the stinch off.

Obama has a chance to be a great leader....but not at the rate he is going now.
All he did was lie his rear off to get elected...now he is putting incharge, the crazy bunch.

You want socialism.....you are going to get it...daily.....

BA is tough, he takes the bristle side up. So if BA doesn't like the articles message, its called bad journalism, LOL.

In there to bash the liberal again, eh Falc? I'd put you at about a 10:1 liberal:conservative bash ratio. Still think you're not a conservative?

"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk." - football genius Mike Brown

Dude..i was check that chick for a penis....just like i would check Falc for breasts....whoops..I forgot he already has those.

T 

"Your lefty nut jobs....have had control for 2 years....did nothing, zip, zilcho, to make sure that right failed in this election.
Brilliant plan, besides it created more havoc than they ever could have dreamed.
Now what?
You got your jesus in office, now how are you going to fix YOUR mistakes."

Murf, are you stating the economy was doing great until the Dems got in office in 2007?

You do understand that Bush refused to sign numerous pieces of legislation and the Dems did not have enough votes to over-ride his veto (on a side note, you may want to review your high school civics/government class regarding how a law is passed in this country).

YOUR mistakes? Jesus, the were plenty of mistakes on both sides of the aisle for the state of the country right now. Anyone that blames one side or the other and absolves the other is a complete moron.

"In there to bash the liberal again, eh Falc? I'd put you at about a 10:1 liberal:conservative bash ratio. Still think you're not a conservative?"


And maybe you're not as liberal as you think YOU ARE. The way I see it, you're a wannabe. A supposed 6'1 (probably 5'9) buck'o-five punkazz that would get his azz kicked by my girl here. I'd like to see that happen.

BTW--she's pretty damned cool. Too bad your ignorant azz is too quick to judge, idiot.

T--you butt-slammer--after this chick is done kicking BA repeatedly in the nads--I'm sicking her on you too, azzpirate.

LMMFAO.









"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

He -- I mean she -- looks like she might have some sizeable cajones herself. In fact, I'm willing to bet you're the catcher in this relationship Falc.

"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk." - football genius Mike Brown

"In fact, I'm willing to bet you're the catcher in this relationship Falc."


Sounds like your speaking from experience there, Johnny Bench.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2009/02/03/sot.ac.obama.daschle.cnn

Honestly, after 8 years, this is refreshing to hear. The President actually admitting he made a mistake.

I am not happy with two guys getting appointments who have questionable records on paying their taxes. Not happy at all. I went with the flow on the 1st one, as did most Republicans. But the appointment of Daschle was ineffective and downright inept.



On the other hand, it is indeed refreshing to hear the President admit and take responsibility for a mistake. But that still does not excuse this because appointing guys like this is not the change that was promised.



On the other hand (I have three hands) this is the first President since Roosevelt to appoint more than one person to the cabinet from the other political party. Right now Obama has 3 Republicans in his cabinet. Quite remarkable when you put it in historical perspective.



Let's hope it works.



Although I never liked Bush (couldn't stand him really) and never voted for him, I sincerely hoped that his policies in Iraq and elsewhere would succeed. On the eve of going into Iraq, I finally decided I was for it by an internal vote of 51-49. At the time, I felt if Bush succeeds, we all succeed. If Bush fails, we all fail.



Not only does the same hold true now, but Obama's presidency is probably more critical. Fail now, and the country could come apart at the seams. So we'd better hope this guy succeeds...

bring her on Falc - I need a good man to move some furniture for me.

T

"I need a good man to move some furniture for me."


Then get your boyfriend to do it.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Please wake up and smell the fresh coffee grains. The Americans who have been killed in the middle east have done so to protect your butt over here. Since 911 the government revamped security measures (which Clinton let dwindle to extremely low levels) to protect its' citizens. How many large scale terrorists attacks have their been on American soil since we took the fight to the middle east? Answer NONE. Reason because we are fighting these terrorists on their own land now. It is a pitty you can't realize those "thousands of Americans" gave their lives to protect you and your family in the USA.

http://www.inquisitr.com/17206/why-wont-joe-the-dipsh-er-plumber-just-go-away/


Hi DW

...can pass-protect and run-block?

So that is the best you can come up with, that Obama has the heat turned up too high!? BBBWWWAAHHHAAAHHAAAAAHHAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Boy, you really got Obama with that one. What's next, the guy uses too much toilet paper per sitting, so we should impeach him?

And why did McCain pick a Joe the Plumber that just happened to look more than a little bit like a Neo-Nazi skinhead? From what I can recall, his name wasn't even really Joe. Couldn't he have gotten an actual Joe that looked like an ordinary, nice guy?

Its funny how the conservative asz clowns act like Dubya was sworn in on Sept 12, 2001.

from TammyBruce.com:

Barkey Folds Under Pressure; Hides Among 2nd Graders


Hopey McChange--killing time during war and an economic crisis, and finding a way to vote "Present" while president.

Apparently he's found the one group from whom he's willing to take questions. I'm also rather amused by the still-sychophantic coverage. The headline for example:

On a tough day, Obama escapes for a while

[A tough day? The guy has been the president for 14 whole days and he needs a break? What happened to that "flinty Chicago toughness" he was requiring of DC schoolchildren a week ago?]

On the rockiest day of his young administration, President Barack Obama did what surely made him happy for a while.

He left.

With little notice, the president and first lady Michelle Obama bolted the gated compound of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in their tank of a limousine on Tuesday. They ended up at a Washington public school, greeted by children who could not care less about the collapse of a Cabinet secretary nomination.

"We were just tired of being in the White House," the president candidly told the gleeful second-graders at Capital City Public Charter School.

Tired of being in the White House after two weeks. Priceless. According to the Barkey-Be-Gone Meter, he still has 1446 whole days to go before we kick him out. I suppose this is the presidential version of voting 'Present"? So let's see: Iran has launched a satellite, Russia is having riots, France is having riots, people in Kentucky are still freezing to death, the Sri Lankan war is escalating, he's threatened with a trade war by the EU because of crap in his Crap Sandwich, the Taliban is still attacking in Afghanistan, Islamic "pirates" are still hijacking ships and kidnapping people, our economy is still tanking mostly because of Barkey talking it down for a year, and he decides to go to a school to read to 2nd graders?

The kids did learn something, however, from his presence: what an arrogant and weak a**hole looks like.

LOL as Rome burns.

"our economy is still tanking mostly because of Barkey talking it down for a year"

So the economy tanking was not Pres. bush's fault while he was actually the president, but Obama (Barkey?) managed to tank the economy because of what he said before he was even president. Interesting analysis.

This is the typical sore losing republican who is goign to nit pick every small insignificant detail the PRESIDENT says or does. If he never left the white house they would call him a lazy brother who never mingled with the public. Milking the taxpayers of thier money while he sat in the white house couch eating fried chicken and kool-aid watching good times.

Pathetic poor little republicans. WAKE UP and look at the schit Bush did to this country.

T

They would prefer the Pres. stay cloistered and never try to get in touch with the people. And the President should study 18 hours a day with no break. As opposed to the last guy who was never available publicly, and never studied MORE than an hour a day. And he still took breaks too. From what I know of intense study, you do a lousy job if you DON'T take a break once in awhile.

"Nobody ever had an original thought after 2 P.M." - George C. Marshall

BA, Falc is just jealous that that women's football player he coaches and hits on, has bigger boobs than Falc...

Have you guys seen where some Repubs are saying that Obama's freeze on CEO's bonuses whose companies take the bail out is the "end of capitalism"?

LOL

Everyone in the country screams bloody murder when one of these PR idiots collects a 30 million dollar golden parachute. Obama attempts to do something about it and now he is killing capitalism...

The next 4-8 years are going to be hysterical from the Right Wing Media...

Oh yeah, Obama visits a school - what a p*ssy! LMAO!

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Nixon imposed wage and price controls in the early 70's - and nobody was even getting taxpayer money! In this case, these morons only have a job because we're financing it. That makes us their owners, at least temporarily. The alternative, of course, is to let the companies all fail. And yes, that would be the end of it.

Sorry, I have not heard or read that the majority of Republicans are claiming an end to capitalism due to the new pay limits for play rule Obama impossed. Thats simply a lie. Typical left wing lie. Maybe a few but not a large majority so please quit lying. And thats what it is, a lie. Your full of $hit.

Oh, and George Bush has nothing to do with this post so please don't us his name in your reply please.

Obama is the President and we are in crisis mode I thought. Going to a public school in Washington D.C. is not even close to being with the common folk. This was purely a photo op. Hang with the black welfare children and pretend this he is in touch with America. Yeah, thats America.

Maybe if he walks outside there will be a pool of blood and he and Michelle can dip their fingers in it and make a cross. That would be special.


_____________________________________________
January 6,1991: The last post season victory for the Bengals.

...spend a few hundred thousand taxpayer dollars, and go to Des Moines when all he needed was a couple hour break?

Yup, makin' good sense there ya'are!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/03/obama-plans-cap-executive-pay-government-assisted-financial-institutions/

Read the comments. You think the ones talking about an end to Capitalism are left by Democrats? Seriously?

Hey,

I understand. You guys have gotten your azzes handed to you the last couple of elections. Freaking out is expected. Freak out. Go Ahead! You have to freak out or you will lose more seats in 2010 and 2012.

God knows I was in a pseudo-catatonic state when I realized this country really elected an idiot like Bush. I mean he was a terrible student who got in to Yale on reverse affirmative action(nepotism).

I suppose you feel the same way about Obama. That whole Columbia undergrad, Harvard Law, Harvard Law Review, teaching Constitutional Law thing, no nepotism thing.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Lefties are funny, they kiss O's azz and what has he done other than attend Harvard and plan for his next job?



Yet when someone pokes fun at what's gone down so far (or hasn't) all the lefties here say is "he's only been in office a few weeks, give him a chance".



Well, I really have nothing to say about the President as I can see, nothing has really been done yet. The loony lefties in Congress, need to be removed, they are and have been a HUGE part of the problem. (Frank, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Rangle, and their ilk.)

"Have you guys seen where some Repubs are saying that Obama's freeze on CEO's bonuses whose companies take the bail out is the "end of capitalism"?

LOL"

-- Bronco

"Sorry, I have not heard or read that the majority of Republicans are claiming an end to capitalism due to the new pay limits for play rule Obama impossed. Thats simply a lie. Typical left wing lie. Maybe a few but not a large majority so please quit lying. And thats what it is, a lie. Your full of $hit"

-- SF2


I normally appreciate your comments SF2 but I gotta call you out on this one. Bronco said "some," and then you went off on how a "majority" of Repubs are not doing this. Then you admit that "maybe a few" (commonly referred to as "some") have said this, "but not a large majority." The you insult the man's honor by calling him a liar and saying he is "full of $hit."

Unless he later edited his post, the man did not say "a large majority," he said "some," which you even admit is likely. On this one SF2, you are full of $hit.

"The loony lefties in Congress, need to be removed"

Contrary to what many Republicans believe, America is a democracy not a fascist state. These people were ELECTED. The fact that congress is dominated by Democrats reflects the fact that the large majority of Americans are leaning left. I know that fact is killing you conservatives, but its time you accepted the current reality -- America has rejected the neocons and the far-right.

"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk." - football genius Mike Brown

Thanks for the backing CIN C.

SF2 basically contradicts himself in his post and then tells me not to use Bush in another post.

Like I give two sh!ts about what he says or like I would let him dictate what I post. LOL

bronco, don't mistake smarts/intellect for wisdom. Great that Barkey went to Harvard. He can read a book and do a book report. If you have a college degree you can be assured of one thing...you have a college degree. Sorry you cannot leave W alone....his grades were better than his opponents Kerry and Gore. Keep beating that W Dummy drum though. He was elected twice. We'll see if Barkey can get through one term. He's already showing poor judgement right out of the gate with his tax evading nominees.

Don't worry BA, the Dems will screw the pooch, just like they did the last time they owned the Congress and White House and the Conservatives will get some seats back.

What I don't understand about the left is why they are so enamored of the Marxist/Socialist doctrines. Show me a country where my standard of living would be better? The Dems love this current crisis as they will see this as an opportunity to seize more control.

and BA, what exactly does a neo-con believe, and who here or in Congress was ever one?

OK, how about here:

God knows I was in a pseudo-catatonic state when I realized this country really elected an idiot like Bush. I mean he was a terrible student

Yea - what, a "C" average, 2.35 to be exact. And he was AWOL from the Guard and had two under-aged daughters run in on trying to buy booze with fake ID's. Not to mention his own two alcohol-related arrests. When an African-American gets elected President with those same credentials, then true parity will have been achieved.

and what has he done other than attend Harvard

The guy didn't just "attend Harvard." Harvard was graduate (Law) school. He graduated from Columbia. Columbia GPA 3.3 Harvard Law School Magna cum Laude which means top 10% of the class. Bush just "attended Yale." Bush tried to get into Law School in Texas and was rejected. (Hey SF2 - more facts you can look up and deny).

Cinc-E-Star, thanks for pointing out SF2's "writers embellishment."

Contrary to what many Republicans believe, America is a democracy not a fascist state. These people were ELECTED. The fact that congress is dominated by Democrats reflects the fact that the large majority of Americans are leaning left. I know that fact is killing you conservatives, but its time you accepted the current reality -- America has rejected the neocons and the far-right.

BA - keep on pluggin' man. Because although mbs.com is an example of democracy and free speech, there are plenty of folks around here who would just assume do away with it all. Which also means they do have a right to voice their support of fascism, McCarthyism, you name it. It goes with the territory. They mask it by calling themselves "patriots," but they would overturn The Constitution tomorrow if they could. Which is why you always have to protect democracy. One of these days they might finally "get it" that neo-con ideology is as dead as doornail. I know I am not supposed to cite historical fact on this board, because some of the folks here have a problem with people who have "book learnin." (Kind of like those folks in 1930's Germany...) But the arguments coming out of the right these days are exactly the same ones FDR heard in the 1930's. Its nothing new. They whined all the way through the New Deal. And the more they whined, the sillier they looked. Wouldn't surprise me to see history repeat itself.

But I would disagree that America is "leaning left." America is leaning center. There has been no left in America since McCarthyism wiped it off the political map here many years ago. Not to worry, for the right, those on the center have taken the place of the real lefties who no longer exist here. The last example of any real "left" was the "new left" of the late 1960's and they were squashed like bugs.

Sorry you cannot leave W alone....his grades were better than his opponents Kerry and Gore

Yep, by hundreths of a percentage point. And, Bush won those elections did he not? So what's your point since he won those elections? The smarter guy won???? Well, OK. I guess the smarter guy won this one then! You talk about wisdom?? Let me see if I got this straight: Bush II is wise? Was wise? Acted wisely? Are u kiddin' me? Obama showed more wisdom in one day by owning up and taking direct personal responsibility for screw-ups in his administration, the Bush did in 8 years - an 8 year period of utter failure on every policy.

And saving the best for last:

What I don't understand about the left is why they are so enamored of the Marxist/Socialist doctrines. Show me a country where my standard of living would be better? The Dems love this current crisis as they will see this as an opportunity to seize more control.

Left=Marxist/Socialist Well now, there is an intelligent statement. If Left=Marxist/Socialist, then Right=Nazi/Fascist. To the right, everything is either all one way, or all the other. There is no gray. There is no inbetween. Most significantly, there is no pragmatism, but instead only doctinaire ideology. Which time and time and time and time again has failed utterly and completely over the course of centuries. Idealogues have NO track record of success at anything in statecraft. And those ideologues include people like Marx (on the extreme left, who, by the way, was not the author of Soviet Communism - Lenin/Trotsky were. Marx would have had a serious problem with Lenin/Trotsky) Hitler and Mussolini on the extreme right, and now the bin Laden's of the world also on the extreme right only with them, religion is included in the ideology.

And of course, there is no knowledge whatsoever of American History or Law.

Brilliant! Its American as apple pie!

So darn smart isn't he? Good going Barkey, very professional and wise:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/04/obama-backs-out-iraq-appointment/

"Show me a country where my standard of living would be better?"

Arguably the best standard of living in history relative to the rest of the world belonged to the ruling class of the Roman Empire and was built on extreme slavery and oppression. It was a government that was ruled alternately by dictatorships and oligarchical representation.

So, according to your argument we should rule by what produces the best standard of living for us, even if that means dictatorship or oligarchy?

News flash: our standard of living has been greatly influenced by our abundant natural resources and by the fact that two oceans provide us a blanket of security not enjoyed by any other other nation in the world outside of our allies in North America and much smaller countries in Central America.

And, many countries such as Canada enjoy a different but arguably equally high standard of living. These countries take different economic approaches then America, but despite what entertainment driven right wing media would tell you are in no way a "socialist state."

My allegiance is to democracy, not capitalism. Don't get me wrong, I believe capitalism is an extremely important contribution to humanity, but when it comes to pragmatic solutions to solve problems and help people, I don't freak out if the government veers from absolute laissez-faire capitalist theory (which was really considered discredited and abandoned over a century ago). Now if the government starts stripping away democracy, that is when I freak out.

Let me ask you: do you believe we should have total market freedom? No child labor laws? No rights to organize workers? No worker safety laws?

Now if you want to argue that there are cases where these laws have gone too far, then you have my ear. But if you want "capitalism or die" policies where the government has no ability to regulate anything, I disagree with you and I think that puts you well out of mainstream American thought.

To me, saying that "the government should not be allowed to intervene in the markets at all," is to say that capitalism trumps democracy. As stated, my allegiance is with Democracy.

"So darn smart isn't he? Good going Barkey, very professional and wise:"

Hey USC3: the article simply states that the administration offered him the job. Gen. Zinni himself never says that he accepted the job but just that he was offered.

Is it possible that he wavered initially, didn't accept the position right away, and the administration, anxious to fill a position as important as ambassador to Iraq, decided to fill the position quickly with an equally qualified candidate? Gen. Zinni himself said the candidate they ultimately chose to be ambassador was a good choice.

It kind of seems to make sense that they would want to fill this position quickly if they really want to remove US troops from Iraq as soon as possible. After all, having an ambassador in the country will be pivotal to work with the new Iraqi government to secure the nation while we remove troops.

Don't get me wrong, I think Obama is a pretty typical politician, not some messiah. But you guys really seem to be reaching with these "his heat is turned up too high" and "he wanted to make a decision on the ambassador to iraq position quicker than the guy he originally asked was willing" lines of attack.

Take a deep breath, it's just another politician in office, that's all. He is not some secret Muslim/Commie/insert-latest-conspiracy-theory Manchurian candidate. So just relax and wait until he actually screws up, then you can attack him. It will be a lot more convincing, trust me.

Apparently, all you need to be able to do to graduate from Harvard is read a book and do a book report.

LOL!

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

I believe someone above asked for the beliefs of a neo-con and professor way-back rambled on. BA, hooky, and prof. way-back use the term often, let's hear the definition.

I normally appreciate your comments SF2 but I gotta call you out on this one. Bronco said "some," and then you went off on how a "majority" of Repubs are not doing this. Then you admit that "maybe a few" (commonly referred to as "some") have said this, "but not a large majority." The you insult the man's honor by calling him a liar and saying he is "full of $hit."

Unless he later edited his post, the man did not say "a large majority," he said "some," which you even admit is likely. On this one SF2, you are full of $hit.

Give me a break. This is a classic use of verbage on both sides of the aisle that is purposly constructed to give the impression that Republicans as a whole are thinking a certain way. It would be like me saying some Harvard Graduates are child molestors. The immediate thought to the unsuspecting person is that there are a lot of child molestors that Graduate from Harvard. Certainly a few have just based on simple math but probably a very very small percentage.

Based on the definition of the word, some can mean "an unspecified number" or a "being a considerable number or quantity". Some is not defined as a few.

In a class of 50 kids saying some of the kids would never register as 2 or 3 to the average citizen. The statement was made to imply that a substantial number of Republicans think this way which is not true. A few do but they are pot stirrers.

Apology not needed.





_____________________________________________
January 6,1991: The last post season victory for the Bengals.

bronco, being part of a prestigious university in graduate and post graduate work, been there. There are some classmates in mind that I would not hire to take out my trash. Experience in the field counts for a heck of a lot more than what you can learn at the ivory towers. Besides, Law? Please, its not like there are any big discoveries going on in the field. The President's thesis or dissertation was not ground breaking, otherwise he would release it. What is he hiding? No one can find the darn thing, strangest thing. The guy will not even release his grades. What is the deal? If you told me the man was doing work at Cal Tech or MIT I'd be impressed. I'll go back to my original point in saying that most confuse intellect with wisdom. Obama cannot possibly keep up this almost perfect record of picking tax frauds for key positions can he?

Here's a link for the Obama lover in all of us:

http://www.freep.com/article/20090121/OBAMAINAUGURATION10/90121013

So I am listening to BHO and he is still talking about winning in Nov and that people voted for change and that is why we need to push this pork infested stimulus package. So I was thinking, when people voted for "change" what exactly was the change you were hoping for? Bush sent through a stimulus package too but he just gave the money back to the people. Here we are giving it to pet projects of Nancy Pelosi. Yea, I guess thats different.

I dont know too many idiots that went to Harvard. Actually, I only know 3 people that went to Harvard. Two are college profs and one is a damn good attorney (corporate law - barf!).



Regardless, at least the man has studied the Constitution...INDEPTHLY. Which is more than I can say for the last occupant of his office.



Bush was such a twit that he tried to get the defense of marriage passed when he failed to consider any Consititional issues. Uh, namely the freaking Equal Protection Clause? Classic constitutional blunder for a non-lawyer. Studying the Constitution and judicial/executive/legislative history means a lot to folks like me. The last guy knew zilch. The present guy? Well, many years of study. Big difference.



Its similar to when I talk to random idiots at bars and they try to act like they understand how a law is created and why (in their mind) it should be constitional. The problem with their analysis? They dont know what is in the Constition or how the Supreme Court has ruled on similar issues in the last couple hundred years. Regardless, I do enjoy informing them on some Constitional basics.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

...whats that??

http://www.depresident.com/george-c-student-bush-video.asp

Inspirerring isn't it?

Newsflash,

Obama just took a sh!t in the oval office and didnt have a brick in the tank to lower the White House water usage. FOXNEWS has it on their front page.

Next up - Obama just turned on the heater in his kids bedroom because they were cold. Hannity has the full story.

Tomorrow's headlines - Obama bought a Heineken at the bar. He obviously hates America...

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Pet projects of Nancy Pelosi's?

Like investing in hybrid vehicles for the government fleet? I understand that's going to put thousands of Americans to work. And I understand it's going to put economies of scale into energy conservation efforts. And I understand that it's not going to sit well with Arab sheiks.

I just don't understand what that will have to do with Nancy's personal agenda.

And you're not going to have to show a Nancy Pelosi allegiance card to travel over repaired bridges or use energy from a modernized grid.

And when a police officer is there to protect your family, or when a fireman shows up to pull you out of a burning building, I promise you that he or she will not first ask if you're a Nancy Pelosi relative.

The last eight years, we tried priming the economy by giving tax breaks...massive ones to the wealthy and modest to chicken feed for the rest of us. It didn't work out so well.

Presidents like Dwight Eisenhower had the vision to invest in infrastructure. It tied in various agendas, from stimulating jobs to fortifying national defense.

I don't think Ike would be welcome in the current GOP.

College professors. Don't get me started. I would really like to hear your opinion of your college professors about 20 years from now. You're a young dude. I'll leave it at that.

I knew two individuals that went to Harvard. One actually left Harvard and ended up at Boalt Hall and graduating at the top of her class. She is now a successful immigration attorney in San Francisco. The other is quite successful as a director of a non profit I provide services to...he is an amazing person.

Anyway, I just hope the Obamabots on here can get used to the right questioning his every move. Otherwise you're in for a long 4 years of political threads on MBS.com

YOUR mistakes? Jesus, the were plenty of mistakes on both sides of the aisle for the state of the country right now. Anyone that blames one side or the other and absolves the other is a complete moron.

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You said it better than I.
That was my point.

Too many liberals on here, and in the media, ignore the left mistakes and point the finger at Bush.

Bush and the thumpers are just as guilty as Dingbat and the nutjobs.

So we agree Bronco.

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Trooper....
Pelosi is dangerous.
I am not worried about Obama, in his first few days in office, he has not done much to alarm me, like some, but if he allows himslef to be forced into following Pelosi and Ried, then we have a major issue.

Take the Hybrid car deal.
Bad idea, and it will harm the middle class and poor, the very people, that she claims she is fighting for.

Again, you have to understand that you are dealing with the United States gov't.
That, is scary enough.

So you tell congress, that they have to turn in thier cars, and drive these Hybrids.
What are they going to do with the old planet killing cars?
Sell them to the public, who have already purchased them once.
Then, after all the great minds in Washington, have the new save the planet Cars, they can send out regulations, forcing states to make it harder to drive the gas cars.
Cut off highway money, if so many old cars on the highways in your states.
Then we can bring back the E-check stations....since they worked great the first time.(sarc)

So the middle class and poor, the very people, you claim to fight for, is fuched again.
Forced to spend more money, so that they can drive to and from work, to pay higher taxes, so that Washington, can keep shoving useless and wastefull regulations down our throats.

This country has bigger fish to fry than the fuching planet right now.
Save the planet second, save this country and human life first.

This new deal they are trying to shove up our azz...
Is filled with wastefull spending.

Here is the problem people....
WASHINGTON CAN NOT BE TRUSTED TO MAKE SIMPLE AND HONEST CHOICES.

Murf, even if you don't want to jump on board with the overwhelming percentage of the scientific community about carbon dioxide consequences, the move to hybrids still makes sense from a national security standpoint.



We're paying a disguised and shamefully high energy tax now by importing oil from our enemies. The military cost has been staggering.



We can make electricity relatively cheaply and from a variety of means. We've sqaundered too much time as it is by restricting science on alternative oil programs.



What we don't have is mass production pressure to enhance the development of hybrids. Ike's federal highway system provided the combined benefit of a stimulus works program and a national defense enhancer. A comprehensive energy program makes the same sort of sense.



At this stage of the last presidency, energy policy was orchestrated behind closed doors by Dick Cheney and his network of oil executives.



Now we're going to take the open and patriotic path to dealing with energy and national security. Saving the planet in merely a bonus that you'll have to grin and bear.

I am not against creating atuos that run off of some type of recharged energy.
I think that would be great, sick and tired of being Shawshanked by the gov't and the import terrorist.

The problem is, can we trust the people in Washington, to do it in a way that does not hurt the middle class and the poor.

When they came up with the great idea of E-checks, the poor got the brunt of it, b/c they drive the old used cars.
The rich, have new cars and can afford the service on them, if they were running bad.

It was another TAX on the middle to poor class.

I am not saying that the air pollution and all of that other stuff, is not harmfull, and we should ignore it.
What I am saying, is that Pelosi and her sick and twisted mind set, would rather waste time/energy and most importantly money, on saving the planet right now.
We do not have the resources, or the time, to play Mickey Mouse with Al Gore and his twisted followers right now.
We need to spend money on things, that will create jobs, right now.
Not save the planet first, and at some point, toss in a few jobs to keep the idiotic public happy.


Kind of hard to worry about the future, when the present needs more attention.

Murf is one those fools who believed cigaretts didn't cause Cancer. . Let'see smoke in you lungs ccauses cancer BUT smoke in the air we breath is OK?

Rumor has it the Repubs demanded 125 million worth of funding be cut from Coast Guard.

Sorry Murf, it looks like the righties are the ones cutting defense first.

Love the irony...

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Links please

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/07/stimulus.cuts/index.html

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

About the hybrid cars:

I think Murf is referring to the stimulus funding for government agencies to buy hybrid cars.
The funding is about $400 million. If they get the cars at a big discount (you can get big discounts when you are buying entire fleets of cars) they can buy maybe 20,000 cars at $20,000 per.

For perspective, government agencies buy about 300,000 cars on average every year, so this is less than 10% of the cars government agencies would be expected to buy, it's not like they want to replace every government car with a hybrid in the next year.

That doesn't mean I support it, just putting it in perspective.

What bothers me is that many Repubs and Dems (including the prez)are against ANY buy American provisions in the legislation, on the grounds that it violates WTO agreements. I think if we are going to spend this money on cars under the guise of stimulating our economy, it would be nice if we could make sure the money does help American workers. If we are trying to stimulate the entire world's economy, well then this money is just spitting in the ocean. I think it is crap that our democracy is handcuffed by an undemocratic institution like the WTO.

It is all a scam!



Murf is one those fools who believed cigaretts didn't cause Cancer.
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That is a stupid comment.
I know people, who have smoked for 70-80 years....no cancer.
Aunt died, lung cancer....never smoked a day in her life, was never around smoke.

Another typical general comment made by a dumb azz!


BTW---
Before any of you "perfect people", chime in and start to blast me....
Hate smoking, never smoked a day in my life...

Just tired of society and thier attack on others.

Murf read and learn for once in your life...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=scientists+smoking+cancer&aq=f&oq=

Did I say that smoking did not cause cancer?
No...
I said, it was a general commnt, b/c not everyone who smokes, gets cancer and then there are people who never smoked, die from cancer.

Smoking can cause cancer....so can everything else in this world.

"If you find it hard to achieve and maintain growth, maybe Stimulis is right for you."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEDIyztZGBA&eurl=http://www.reason.com/blog/&feature=player_embedded

A better narrator would have helped, but otherwise, too funny.

Being murf's wife/friend can cause Cancer or impotence too. Google it! Murf wishes his "package" was stimulated.

Okay, I gave it a Google and stumbled across something truly amazing. I'm sure this isn't exactly what you were referring to, Dunn, but check it out. It's a real title to a real paper from a real medical journal (J Mol Biol 2005). I kid you not:

MURF-1 and MURF-2 target a specific subset of myofibrillar proteins redundantly: towards u

Yikes! Not towards me, I hope.

I also discovered that there's a Murfreesboro, Tennessee. I guess they were really happy that neither Murf lived there when they named that fine city.

Thee definition of "Murf" LMAO...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=murf

Michael Steele new RNC chairman believe it?...

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=232482

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."


Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.


If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years. If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.


If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
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Less gov't is needed, not more!
Obama is starting to just hand over this great nation to Pelosi and Ried...
God help us all!

Nice try, Murf.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp

Check these things out on snopes before you post them.

For the record, I have never even heard of that law school and I served on the ABA national board in my last year in law school. Is it an online school? correspondence school?

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

No wonder I couldn't find it.

Its Hamline.

http://www.hamline.edu/

I've still never heard of it..

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

'Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."'

These right-wing nut chain letters target all the brain-dead people out there who eat up whatever fear and intolerance they are spoon-fed without an ounce of skepticism.

'Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million

Percentage of popular vote for Obama: 52.9%
Percentage of popular vote for McCain: 45.7%
enough said.

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1

I have little doubt these numbers are not entirely accurate, but any idiot can see that the murder rate is going to be much higher in relatively anonymous, densely-occupied urban centers when compared to rural areas. Does that mean that Democrats are more violent and aggressive? Most certainly it does not.

"In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."'

What does this statement say? Its not clear, but what it is NOT saying is that Democrats are mostly reliant on government assistance while Republicans are not. That's what this crackpot wants to insinuate, however. Notice that he talks about "land encompassing citizens" rather than about citizens themselves. Living in the city is way more expensive than living in the sticks. Many people who could easily afford their own property in Bumf#*!& Mississippi could not live without assistance in the city. Since most of the jobs are in the city, people must live in these places despite this problem.

Cyberspace is full of efforts like this to manipulate data to serve an agenda. Informed people know not to believe everything they read.


"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk." - football genius Mike Brown

murf didn't realize this "study" addressed the 2000 election...

If you take a piece of propaganda and fail to properly assess its truthfulness, then go and try and pass on the lies and distortion to others in order to further your agenda, then you are a BAD CITIZEN. In my mind, you should not qualify to vote in the United States much like a felon.

"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk." - football genius Mike Brown

"If you take a piece of propaganda and fail to properly assess its truthfulness, then go and try and pass on the lies and distortion to others in order to further your agenda, then you are a BAD CITIZEN. In my mind, you should not qualify to vote in the United States much like a felon."

WOW, that's rich.

Gingrich disses repubs...

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/gingrich-bush-delay-rove-exits-will-help-gop-appeal-to-more-voters-2009-02-09.html

You ever notice how these stupid email chain letters only get forwarded (and believed) by the righties?



During the election, someone made one every week about Obama being a terrorist/muslim/ect.



Pathetic...I expect nothing less though. These are the same people that think the economy was "fine" when the Democrats took over in 2007.

"Pathetic...I expect nothing less though. These are the same people that think the economy was "fine" when the Democrats took over in 2007."

Kinda like old Barney Frank said nothing was wrong with freddie mac and fannie mae, why look into that.

Lefties are funny little people, they drink tears, how cute.

what is Michael Steele talking about?...

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/02/09/what-is-michael-steele-talking-about-part-ii.aspx

Again.....

I swear BA, you either can't read, or you don't read.

I never said anything about the letter.
I got an e-mail, laughed at it, posted it on here.
I truly don't care who voted for Obama or why, they voted for him or why they did ot vote for him.
I don't even care if the liberals cheated the election to get him in there.
Whatever the reason is, becomes pointless....he won.
He is in there.

I am willing to give him a legit shot.
He is not doing anything to win favors right this minute, but his hands are tied right now.
Is he doing what he should be doing to fix the economy?
That is a tasters choice debate.
This half will think it is pure genius, the other half, pure idiotic.
Whatever, as a tax payer, I will get nothing out of it either way.
The rich get saved, the poor and middle class get sh!t on and we will see a check for thousand dollars or some hidden tax credit bullsh!t that will change before tax season next year.
They all cheer for this housing tax...great, now find me a fuching bank that will give me a loan, without an 840 score.

I did not like his speech last night....
Bullsh!t on calling out the thumpers.
The liberals sat on this economy for 2 years and did nothing, to make sure a liberal won.
You can't blame the thumpers for not inking this deal, without trying to cut some of the bullsh!t out of it.
How does birth control stimulate the economy?
There are a ton of liberal agendas, hidden in this and that is the shame of this nation.

The Nation is in a media driven so called crisis and we have elected leaders, taking advantage of the issue and pushing thier agenda.

I hate this big gov't sh!t, always have.
I think we are going down a path of no return here.

Obama better become the man he promised to be, and cut his way out of the Pelosi web of filth or he will be gone in 4 years.

murf is incapable of admitting when he is wrong, and most certainly doesn't learn from his many mistakes. Why don't you just admit that you passed along an inaccurate, malicious chain email without considering its accuracy because you liked what it had to say? You have no defense.

"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk." - football genius Mike Brown

..."murf is incapable of admitting when he is wrong."


Gee, I know some other people just like that. Let me see......

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/stimulus/2009/02/05/cbo-stimulus-bill-could-meet-obamas-job-creation-goal-in-short-term.html

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2009/02/04/cbo-obama-stimulus-plan-weakens-economy-over-long-run.html

"what exactly was the change you were hoping for? Bush sent through a stimulus package too but he just gave the money back to the people."

Homey, please tell me you are not referring to the $700 billion bank bailout. To the people? Yeah right. To some of the wealthiest people on Earth to go to Vegas or the Carribean or get their exorbitant Xmas bonus or a new private jet to fly around the world.

"Homey, please tell me you are not referring to the $700 billion bank bailout. To the people?"

The stimulus Bush passed was that dumbazz $600.00 or $1,200.00 check some people received last June. Of course he promoted and passed the 700 Billion TARP package that they don't really remember where the first 350 Billion went. Now Timmy "turbo tax" Geithner and Pres. Obama are going to keep track of what's left.

Again....
Stop living in the past.
One day, you will have to own up to some of the "great ones" mistakes.

This package, that just passed....

Disaster!
Or
Liberal Scam!

Either word fits.
Nancy shoved her agenda right up the azz the hard working tax payers.

See how much we get in return.

Very sad!