You may get a call from Obama to head up one of his departments...he's running out of nominees:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979CMGO0&show_article=1

too friggn funny

BTW, the government will gladly accept any cash or check donations you want to send them if you feel that you are not paying enough tax. Obama thanks you for your support.

All of these tax troubles of people who are supposed to be our leaders is truely a disgrace. They should be more vigilant on their taxes than anyone -- especially Geithner sense he is now head of our treasury for God's sake.

That said, I do think some of the nominees may have unintnentionally screwed up, because our tax system really is superfluously convuluted. One of the nominations owed taxes because he didn't report that an organization that sponsored him coming to town to speak paid for his limo ride from the airport and to the event. I could see messing something like that up, you would think the cost of these kinds of arrangements is already included in what you are getting paid so would not necessarily think to record that as "extra" income.

Anyway, the rich especially should pay their taxes because they can afford someone to do it for them. There have been times when I was doing my own taxes and without someone to ask was basically just trying to be honest about everything but still wasn't totally confident that I was doing correctly.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

Joey "champ" Biden says be patriotic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCqgNWRjmAc

The investigation into nominees lives and taxes has now changed for the immediate future. Just wait and see what happens the next time a Republican gets into office and nominates people.

The manner in which people have investigated Obama's nominees has been hilarious. I understand the concerns and everyone should be paying their taxes, but just remember, paybacks are a b!tch and the tone has been set for all future administrations.

If you think this is an issue common to only the people Obama nominated, you are in for a suprise in 2012, 2016 or whenever the next elephant takes office.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Sounds like a Wambulance needs to called.

That damn bush...it is all his doing.

Call it what you want, but I look forward to seeing the next Repub prez try to get his posts filled.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Yep...our leaders


$34,000: the amount of federal taxes that Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner (D) failed to pay during his employment at the International Monetary Fund despite receiving extra compensation and explanatory brochures that described his tax liabilities..

$75,000: the amount of money that the head of the powerful tax-writing committee, Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY), was forced to report on his taxes after the discovery that he had not reported income from a Costa Rican rental property. His excuses for the failure started with blaming his wife, then his accountant and finally the fact that he didn't speak Spanish.

$93,000: the amount of petty cash each Congressional representative voted to give themselves in January 2009 during the height of an economic meltdown.

$133,900: the amount Fannie Mae "invested" in Chris Dodd (D-CT), head of the powerful Senate Banking Committee, presumably to repel oversight of the GSE prior to its meltdown. Said meltdown helped touch off the current economic crisis. In only a few years time, Fannie also "invested" over $105,000 in then-Senator Barack Obama.

$140,000: the amount of back taxes and interest that Cabinet nominee Tom Daschle (D) was forced to cough up after the vetting process revealed significant, unexplained tax liabilities.

$356,000: the approximate amount of income and deductions that Daschle (D) was forced to report on his amended 2005 and 2007 tax returns after being caught cheating on his taxes.. This includes $255,256 for the use of a car service, $83,333 in unreported income, and $14,963 in charitable contributions.

$800,000: the amount of "sweetheart" mortgages Senate Banking Chairman Chris Dodd (D-CT) received from Countrywide Financial, the details for which he has refused to release details despite months of promises to do so. Countrywide was once the nation's largest mortgage lender and linked to Government-Sponsored Entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Their meltdown precipitated the current financial crisis. Just days ago in Pennsylvania, Countrywide was forced to pay $150,000,000 in mortgage assistance following "a state investigation that concluded that Countrywide relaxed its underwriting standards to sell risky loans to consumers who did not understand them and could not afford them."

$1,000,000: the estimated amount of donations by Denise Rich, wife of fugitive Marc Rich, to Democrat interests and the William J. Clinton Foundation in an apparent quid pro quo deal that resulted in a pardon for Mr. Rich. The pardon was reviewed and blessed by Obama Attorney General and then Deputy AG Eric Holder, despite numerous requests by government officials to turn it down.

$12,000,000: the amount of TARP money provided to community bank OneUnited despite the fact that it did not qualify for funds, and was "under attack from its regulators for allegations of poor lending practices and executive-pay abuses." It turns out that Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), a k ey c ontributor to the Fannie Mae meltdown, just happens to be married to one of the bank's ex-directors.

$23,500,000: The upper range of net worth Rep. Allan Mollohan (D-WV) accumulated in four years time according to The Washington Post through earmarks of "tens of millions of dollars to groups associated with his own business partners."

$2,000,000,000: ($2 billion) the approximate amount of money that House Appropriations Chairman David Obey (D-WI) isearmarking related to his son's lobbying efforts. Craig Obey is "a top lobbyist for the nonprofit group" that would receive a roughly $2 billion component of the "Stimulus" package.

$3,700,000,0 00: ($3.7 billion) not to be outdone, this is the estimated value of various defense contracts awarded to a company controlled by the husband of Rep. Diane Feinstein (D-CA). Despite an obvious conflict-of-interest as "a member of the Military Constru ction Appropriations subcommittee, Sen. Feinstein voted for appropriations worth billions to her husband's firms."

$4,190,000,000: ($4.19 billion) the amount of money in the so-called "Stimulus" package devoted to fraudulent voter registration ACORN group under the auspices of "Community Stabilization Activities". ACORN is currently the subject of a RICO suit in Ohio.

$1,646,000,000,000 ($1.646 trillion): the approximate amount of annual United States exports endangered by the "Stimulus" package, which provides a "Buy American" stricture. According to international trade experts, a "US-EU trade war looms", which could result in a worldwide econ o mic depression reminisce nt of that touched off by the protectionist Smoot-Hawley Act.

5,000,000 (5 million)--bailout money for the ole OleSchooler. He needs to retire.

Thanks,

OldSchool.

F*ck those azzholes and all those handouts. Those MF'ers need to be strung out for that crap. I have one word for you that should ring true throughout the "commoners" in all 50 states: OVERTHROW.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

bronco you cannot be serious. Did you just fall off a turnip truck?

What are you saying? That I am naive in thinking that Republicans skimp on their taxes as well?

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

It's telling that the Liberal response to virtually EVERY criticism is always THE REPUBLICANS DID IT FIRST! I'm so tired of hearing this shinola it's starting to make my skin crawl. Bush approved budgets that a Democratic congress sent to him that included unacceptable levels of deficit spending. So Obama gets a free pass for quadrupling the Bush/Dems budget. When are some of these people going to take responsibility for their OWN actions? How long can they keep laying everything off on Bush?

Look, I'm a staunch conservative, both fiscally and socially. Even with that I can't abide by many of Bush's decisions. To me, Bush wasn't nearly conservative enough. But move on folks. Obama's stimulus packages and his obscene budget is not going to do anything but make things worse. Now we find out that, not only did he demand the GM CEO's resignation, he virtually appointed his replacement! Be prepared to buy your next car from GM....Government Motors. How much is too much?

Yeah, I'm sure tax cuts and less spending could have saved AIG, Lehman Brothers, the housing market and the global financial market. LOL

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

"How much is too much?"

We've had too much for a long time now. That's why the people have elected a Democrat President AND a Democrat congress. Obama, Pelosi, and co. didn't elect themselves. You can criticize all you want (as Democrats did under Bush) but they are going to do what they want (as Bush and the neocons did).



"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk." - football genius Mike Brown

bronco, I would suggest that all nominees face the scrutiny of the microscope regardless of the administration...not for underpaying their taxes though, this is a new phenomena. Haggling over nominees in the past could mostly be contributed to partisan politics. You are implying that there is a payback coming. There is no payback. This is a regular occurrence. There is all kinds of wheeling and dealing in confirming a given nominee. Please know that nominees in any lame duck year of a presidency are long shots at best, this is expected.

Obama signed up for the game. Time to play.

Just for fun, do a search on Bush nominees that were questioned for underpaying taxes.

I await your response.

Oh no, you are not allowed to dis the great one.

Funny how the tables turn...if Bush would have given a company a few billion to play with and give thier failed people a bonus, some of your heads would have exploded.
lol!

It is beyond scary, it is now flat out comical....

Just to point something obvious out, there is legitmacy to the argument that the restriction on bonuses would have been unconstitutional. If those employees had a contractual agreement to earn a certain amount of money prior to the government "bailing" them out, that contract would have to be honored or AIG could be sued for breach of contract.

USC, I am still looking for the vetting/screening process of Bush's nominees. I'm not sur eof your earlier point, but you seem to imply this is only a democrat thing (the tax problems). No one in their right mind believes that. I do think the the screening process is looking MUCH CLOSER at people's taxes than ever before. Its not like 2008 had some crazy outliers compared to previous years.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Yeah, I'm sure tax cuts and less spending could have saved AIG, Lehman Brothers, the housing market and the global financial market. LOL



Letting the companies fail should be the capitalistic way and government should not pick winners and losers, but when gov does you have the arguments you have today, I know the popular sentiment is they were to big to fail, BULLCRAP, we have bankruptcy laws for a reason and when one company fails a stronger company will come along and take its place. Also cutting taxes creates revenue, for example if our corporate taxes werent the second highest in the world maybe just maybe businesses would expand and they wouldnt be making a beeline for places like Ireland were their corporate taxes are at 12% instead of 40% in the USA but I digress, Your rightmassive spending with over 8500 pork barrel spending projects like studying the mating habits of tree frogs will help. Doing away with capitalism and picking winners and losers will help. Turning over regulation of American companies to the European community will help also. Putting our childrens childrens children in a 32000 dollar debt as soon as their born will help. Getting even with all those evil rich people who stole the money from the poor will help. Having government taking over business will help, because they have done so well in all the other endeavors.talk about LOL

"I know the popular sentiment is they were to big to fail, BULLCRAP, we have bankruptcy laws for a reason and when one company fails a stronger company will come along and take its place."

Answer me this. You are aware of what happened to the economy when Bush and Paulson let Lehman Brothers fail, right? If you don't, go back and take a look at what happened to the worlds markets. Its pretty devastating. The Lehman bankruptcy acceerated the financial meltdown all the way to the first bailout (which coincided with AIG getting a bulk bailout).

I said it before and I will say it again. If you looked on the faces of Bush and Paulson when they were pleading for the bailout, they were scared sh!tless. They werent scared because their reputations were being tarnished, they were legitmately fearful of total economic collapse.

If we would have allowed Citigroup and AIG to declare chapter 11, out country would be in a huge depression right now.

Let them go bankrupt? Are you serious, bro????? You cant be serious! Seriously, Between Lehman, AIG, and Citigroup, you are talking about trillions of dollars on the market. At one time Lehman brothers had assets in excess of 600 billion! Their North American Operations were purchased by Barclay after going Chapter 11 for 1.75 billion. LOL - that chapter 11 caused the single biggest drop in the market since 9/11. The following month was a flipping nightmare. People lost their retirement monies, college funds and nesteggs.

Now you tell me, what do you think happens if AIG and Citigroup go Chapter 11 according to the Franklinite plan? Be honest. Seriously....

"Now you tell me, what do you think happens if AIG and Citigroup go Chapter 11 according to the Franklinite plan? Be honest. Seriously...."

IMO There would be other investment banks to take up or acquire the holdings of these entities. As in the case of AIG it was the financial end of this firm that had the problem therefore it would be to another stronger entity as in the case of Leman Brothers. Im not saying their wouldnt be suffering, but parlaying this into a stronger and more stable entity is the supposed end result, is it not? But we will never know now, we can only speculate on what would have happened. You take the road of a massive depression and Ill take the road of a 7 to 8 month realignment.

Also there are arguments, which have been floated around by the well-respected macroeconomist Willem Buiter and it is based on a paper from last November by the Stanford economist John Taylor, which shows that the credit markets actually did not react all that badly to Lehman going under and that the crisis was really the product of market uncertainty about the effects of government action. Taylors conclusion is based on a piece of evidence: a graph of the 3-Month LIBORthe interest rate that banks charge to lend to each otherwhich he says shows that the real terror in the credit markets didnt emerge until well after Lehman Brothers failed. Even though I dont mind so much that banks are backed by the gov because of their involvement already, but when you get into the private companies, Im totally against it. Let capitalism rule!

"Also there are arguments, which have been floated around by the well-respected macroeconomist Willem Buiter and it is based on a paper from last November by the Stanford economist John Taylor, which shows that the credit markets actually did not react all that badly to Lehman going under and that the crisis was really the product of market uncertainty about the effects of government action"

Well, then explain this.

Here is then timeline

08/08 - Market uncertainty, still holding strong, no government action

09/08 - Lehman files Chapter 11 - still nop government action - Dow drops 500 points in a day

09/08-10/08 - dow spirals down, global financial markets crash - no government action

10/08 - Bailout occurs - market decline begins to slow - obvious government action.

???????

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Small business owners in California are packing their bags and moving to Nevada because of the taxes here. I wonder why that is, Bronco......

When you tax small businesses (the majority of business in America)--you lose the creativity in the industries of those businesses. Socialists and Liberalism isn't working when you're taking away this creativity and these businesses.

Sorry Leftists--but when you start taxing business like that--you know your policies have failed.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Well, then explain this.

Here is then timeline

08/08 - Market uncertainty, still holding strong, no government action

09/08 - Lehman files Chapter 11 - still nop government action - Dow drops 500 points in a day

09/08-10/08 - dow spirals down, global financial markets crash - no government action

10/08 - Bailout occurs - market decline begins to slow - obvious government action.

???????

It's plainly a difference of opinion. I don't think their should have been bailouts and you do, but my theory will never play out and yours will. I will agree that financial firms.. ie Banks need to be propped by government because they already do(FDIC), but by guarantees not massive spending to prop up bad behavior and defiantly not in the private sector as in GM, Chrysler or whatever private sector businesses the left wing liberals want to take a hold of because they feel their "to big to fail". It's strictly a power grab IMO.

"When you tax small businesses (the majority of business in America)--you lose the creativity in the industries of those businesses. Socialists and Liberalism isn't working when you're taking away this creativity and these businesses."

How different are the taxes on small business owners now compared to the Reagan and Clinton administrations?

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

That's the point bronco, there were no Bush nominees of note that underpaid or evaded taxes. The objections raised against Bush nominees were based on purely partisan politics.

And if you do not think that every rock and stone were turned over looking for dirt on Bush nominees then you are living in fantasy world...oh wait, you do live in Vegas. I'll give you that Atty Gen Gonzalez was in way over his head. That was a bone headed appointment.

I don't know about years ago but for now Federal taxes on corporations are as follows:

$1 - $50,000 = Flat 15%
$50,000 - $75,000 = $7,500 + 25% of $ over 50K
$75,000 - $100,000 = $13,750 + 34% of $ over 75K
$100,000 - $335,000 = $22,250 + 39% of $ over 100K
$335,000 - $10,000,000 = $113,900 + 34% $ over 335K

You get a real bargain @ +$18,000,000 profit, you pay Flat 38%

"That's the point bronco, there were no Bush nominees of note that underpaid or evaded taxes."

I suppose we will see who is right the next time a Repub is president. I'm sure only Democrats have problems with taxes (ROLLS EYES)

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Republicans are involved in so many corruption scandals, they make so much dirty money they don't have to cheat on their taxes!

"The answer to the general manager problem is the same answer that we have to have for all these criticisms. We have to win. When we manage to do that, we won't hear so much about that kind of talk." - football genius Mike Brown

Are you implying that in the Bush years none of the nominees were scrutinized they way they are today? How do you ignore that fact?

You don't remember this?:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/12/AR2007091201597.html

Dems gave Bush a hard time about his cabinet. I don't recall hearing much about Repubs condemning any of Obamas picks unless it involves pay to play or evading taxes. Dirty Money.

If I were a corporation, I do business in Ireland:


corporate income tax rate
Country

Australiaa 30.00
Austria 25.00
Belgiumb 33.99
Canada 33.50
Czech Republic 21.00
Denmark 25.00
Finland 26.00
Francec 34.43
Germanyd 30.18
Greece 25.00
Hungarye 20.00
Iceland 15.00
Ireland 12.50
Italyf 27.50
Japan 39.54
Korea 27.50
Luxembourg 30.38
Mexico 28.00
Netherlands 25.50
New Zealand 30.00
Norway 28.00
Poland 19.00
Portugal 26.50
Slovak Republic 19.00
Spain 30.00
Sweden 28.00
Switzerlandh 21.17
Turkey 20.00
United Kingdoma 28.00
United State 39.25


and liberals cannot understand why corporation go overseas. Along with the Unions and their massive expenditures you have the US government in their pockets.

We'll get these evil s.o.b's, lets tax em some more

I never said they werent scruitnized politically, USC.

My point was and it will continue to be (if you have a problem with that, go back and re-read my posts- they are related to the same central theme) is that people's economic backgrunds - i.e. their taxes from previous years - will now be fair game and its gonna get ugly...real ugly...as far as I am concerned, the democrats had better release the hounds and attack future repub nominees and not spare any expense...the Repubs are great at getting down and dirty - the Dems have not always been willing to do whatever it takes to win - however, I have seen a change in the last 2-3 years.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

"the Dems have not always been willing to do whatever it takes to win"

Are you kidding me?

" the Dems have not always been willing to do whatever it takes to win - however, I have seen a change in the last 2-3 years."

LMAO, Chicago Democrats have used Dirt, Lies, and Corruption as the coin of the realm for many decades. Don't forget those ACORN troopers, but I'm sure they are non-partisan.

No need to read anymore of your myopic fantasyland bronco. I will miss the age of the laughable lefties as it is good entertainment.

not an economist here and i'm ticked about all my tax money being spent to bail out the banks but re: too big to fail, It seems like that if all these banks that were going to fail, did fail, then everyone would have lost all of the money they had invested, not just 50% of it.  So while it has cost us a bunch up front, do you realize that if al these things failed, a person who is 40 right now, might..if they are lucky be able to retire when they turn 80?

Think about the cost of not bailing things out?   The loss of jobs, the wonderful welfare programs that all the conservatives love that would need to be put in place, the number of houses left empty, boats floatin gin harbors, factories being shut down. You can say that when a company fails a stronger one takes its place, well that is only if there is demand for the product.  If everybody lost thier retirement, their job and thier ability to spend, there would be no demand, therefore no company to take anothers place and no jobs.

Honestly, I don't know how I feel about the bail out, but to simply state, hey this is wrong, let them fail is a very naive stance. 

"Well, it ain't braggin' if it's true
Yes sir, yes sir
It ain't braggin' if it's true
Muhammad Ali said that
Back when he was a young man
Back when he was Cassius Clay
Before he fought too many fights
And left his brain inside the ring"

Even though I'm as cynical as anyone at that strange neocon union of evengelical nutjobs, ignorant racists and insensitive millionairs, I'm cheering that good audits resulted in these democrats being forced to pay their taxes.

Actually, it adds to the argument that the IRS needs more enforcement assets. This is a very low federal tax country. It is unpatriotic not to pay the taxes. I get the sense that only a particle of the tax dodgers are getting exposed.....like Sarah Palin.

Nevertheless, be they accounting mistakes or moral shortcomings, they don't approach the same league as the felonious conduct that was racked up by the disgraced outfit that just got booted out of Washington. This thread is sorely lacking in perspective.

Treasonous acts (Libbey, et al) just don't deserve the same scrutiny as a temporarily unpaid tax bill. Even if Obama "commuted" the fines and interest (which he won't), some of you desperate whiners are comparing pebbles to boulders.

Can't say I blame you. Your team is so humiliated, you have to over-reach.

Honestly, I don't know how I feel about the bail out, but to simply state, hey this is wrong, let them fail is a very naive stance.


That's a beautiful stance since the theory (and I call this a theory because we didn't let it happen) will never be played out, but capitalism and individual achievement has worked for us for over two hundred years, so to say it's naive is naive in and of itself. Capitalism works and just like in the wild only the strong survive.
Obamas attempt at socialism will build up the weak and will punish achievement; thereby trying to even the playing field by bringing down those that achieve and in no way bring up those who don't (Government has never created wealth only individuals have). All they want is for everyone to be sucking the tit of government so the current leaders in government will always be in charge, you know the power thing.

PS the next thing to happen will be for major tax increases under the guise of the taxation of the wealthy (you know those evil rich people), but everyone will be effected by the increases. His 95% of Americans won't be affected by any tax increase is bull crap now. The tobacco tax that he signed increases the tax on mostly lower income Americans now..............Please don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

ALL HAIL OBAMA!!

Man you are pathetic franklin leise faire economics like you suggest wont work either. I think we tried that once in our past yep didn't work then either and wont work now with a global economy. Something you seem to ignore is that rich powerful people left to their own devices will look to become richer and more powerfull at the expense of the middle class.You may be well off or comfortable now, but what would it be like if they had their way, there would be three kinds of workers: paper pushers, burger flippers and the unemployed. Look I hate government intervention as much as the next guy, but your view on things is way too simplistic, I suggest you turn off the radio and try thinking for yourself a little. I know I know you'll say I thought this up all my own and I hate socialism, but you and all the other many ditto heads are spouting the exact same message. Not just the same message, but the exact same words...lol, yeah you're a free/deep thinker just like murf...lmao....twit.

"Don't forget those ACORN troopers, but I'm sure they are non-partisan."

ACORn is, in fact, deeply partisan. But they are hardly some conspiratorial arm of the Democratic Party. All those fake registrations were done so that the people working for ACORN could make more money. More registrations = more money. That is why we have Boards of Elections. Those fake registrations are thrown out. To imply that ACORN stole the election is simply not coming to terms with it.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

I find it scary that hooky has a badge, hopefully the bullet in his pocket never makes it into the chamber.

The head honcho at ACORN needs to be fired, if the CEO of GM can be fired, the leader at ACORN must be let go.

BTW - I don't believe ACORN "stole" the election, the election was Bush's fault of course.

"ACORn is, in fact, deeply partisan. "

Why are they allowed to receive our tax money then? Gee, lets go after the executives bonus if the banks receive our money, buts let look away from ACORN.

The whining over-reach doesn't stop. It's funny and it's predictable from those who watched their leaders get humiliated.

Homey, when probable cause was presented that some Acorn workers committed voter fraud, they were prosecuted. In fact, if memory serves, I believe a democratic prosecutor was involved in an Illinois investigation.

But all that aside, the earlier poster was right. The fraud that was done did not affect the election. The workers were getting paid for merely recording names of registered voters. And some of those voters criminally registered people that didn't exist.

Their prosecutions were real and legitimate. But, in our election process, merely registering bogus voters doesn't, and didn't, translate into bogus voters actually voting.

You still have to present valid ID's to vote. The fact that some petty Acorn thieves tried to pad their wallets didn't even come close to putting fraudalent voters into the booth.

You Rush fanatics are like puppets that get your strings pulled.

"You still have to present valid ID's to vote. The fact that some petty Acorn thieves tried to pad their wallets didn't even come close to putting fraudalent voters into the booth."


Not true.... in some states you only have to provide a utility bill to prove residency and a college ID (can be expired) and you can register to vote.

Yes, true.

Even if I took you on your word that some states take college ID's as proof of identity to vote, that's still a non-issue on the Acorn situation.

The petty criminals in those cases merely collected bounties for conjuring up fake people to register. You can't show, and no one has shown, a case of the phantom registrees actually voting.

It's a victim wannabe dream.

Your argument is as irrelevent as saying the sky is blue on a sunny day. But it also wouldn't surprise me if your irrelevent argument was pulled out of your arse as well.

You seem to think these "petty" crimes are of no bother. I'm sure you've never missed a chance to write a speeding ticket, even though you could be investigating an unsolved felony. Funny stuff, the lefties are only guilty of little faux-pas and oopsies, the righties are corrupt should-be indicted felons. Your ramblings are comical.

Actually, I sort of sympathize with you for such a shrill, unfocused, and inarticulate response. You're clobbered on the merits of the debate.

I said in an earlier post that those involved deserved their prosecutions. But do those crimes mount up to even trace of the outrage of outing CIA operatives, lying about it to federal investigators, being tried and convicted in a GOP judge's federal courtroom?

Nope. Not even close.

The former was about some nonpolitical opportunists that thought they could beat the system for some easy cash.

The last was about treasonous acts committed by high government officials.

I feel sorry for you even while I'm laughing at you, Terdpusher

Wow Hook where do I begin...

I'm strange but not a neocon. I'm evangelical but not a nutjob. I'm ignorant but not a racist. And financially I might better be described as a sensitive thousandaire And we agree that lawbreakers need to held accountable regardless from which end of the political spectrum they hail.

I'll leave aside the reference to Sarah Palin because I wasn't aware she was in tax trouble. Where I would rescpectfully disagree is your reference to Scooter Libbey and treason. Mr. Libbey was convicted of perjury not treason. And assuming your reference was about our intrepid secret agent Valerie Plame, he's not even the one who outed her. And if I'm not mistaken the subsequent investigation by the Attorney General's office uncovered no wrongdoing by the guy that did.

Now, being a desperate whiner (and worshipful leader is making me even more desperate with each passing day) my comment about comparing pebbles to boulders is that this is a perfect comparison to be made between the Bush/Dems budgets and this new Obama/Dems budget. Not only are the mathmatical differences extreme, but the numbers are pandering, wreak of good old fashioned cronyism and are unlikely to achieve their desired result IMO. And as far as the statement about "my team" being humiliated, I would only say that true conservatives never considered Bush to be their team. They never considered McCain to be their team either, although I believe John McCain to be an honorable man and a great American. They were both simply the lesser of two evils IMO. So replace that word "humiliated" with the word "frightened" and I'll plead guilty.

No need to feel sorry for me hooky, I'll be just fine. Keep reading the Kos and the Huffingsomepaint, maybe you'll find your next clues for your high-level investigations.

Even if I took you on your word that some states take college ID's as proof of identity to vote, that's still a non-issue on the Acorn situation.

Here ya go Hook

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/legismgt/elect/taskfc/voteridreq.htm

"I'm sure you've never missed a chance to write a speeding ticket, even though you could be investigating an unsolved felony."

Turd doesn't realize that the cops assigned to write traffic tickets are not the same ones that investigate unsolved felonies. And certainly wouldn't be multi-tasking at both at the same time.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

"They were both simply the lesser of two evils IMO."

I think the large majority of Americans on every side of the political spectrum are with you on this point. But that's the beauty of Democracy I guess; no one is ever truly happy.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

Are you serious? There are cops that only write traffic tickets? Is it because there is no $$$ in solving a serious crime but you can squeeze alot of cash out of a speeder? That sounds way too capitalistic for the gov't to be involved in.

Interesting summary, Franklinite. I noticed that Kentucky doesn't require photo ID's, but that states like Indiana (a hotly contested swing state, did).

But again, can anyone find any reference that "phantom" or non-existent voters turned out to be a factor in the last election in any state? And I don't care if they were Acorn registrees or otherwise, especially since red states like Kentucky certainly would make it an easier scam.

When ID's aren't completely free of scrutiny, I also noted that those voting are only given provisional ballots, which are not counted in the election until they are independently qualified.

Beyond prosecuting those Acorn scammers for their theft, there were no "high crimes." Those Acorn scammers were after money, period. And, to date, none that I'm aware of have ever been linked to anything that's linked to election fraud.

And that was my original point. That Acorn story was being miscast as some sort of engineered, and effective, voter fraud crime orchestrated by socialists. Nope. It was a few opportunistic lowlifes who saw a chance to line their pockets.

It's a crime, sure. But it's no where near the crime of lying us into a war in Iraq. Heck, these jokers probably got less money than Sarah Palin for her tax avoidance schemes. All she had to do was return the money, though. She wasn't prosecuted. Most tax avoiders aren't. They just pay the tax, interest and, if they apply, the penalties.

JB, when the Plame story broke, W himself broadcast statements that he considered it a crime and would hold anyone in his administration responsible. As FBI agents investigated, and W's administration became culpable, Mr. Libby committed the felony of lying to them for coverup purposes.

It's a matter of record. He was given a fair trial in a conservative judge's court, and was convicted. And how did W hold him responsible? He commutted the sentence. No other W act more outlandishly demonstrated his heartfelt contempt for patriotism and the rule of law.

And Terd....I promise I'm laughing at you even more than I'm feeling sorry for you. But if it makes you sleep better, I did have time to write two traffic tickets yesterday before taking a grand theft report.

ACORN is a red herring issue. None of their antics changed the landscape of the national election. However, it has become a hot button issue for the Repubs. It incites anger and unity among the righties even though it was hugely overblown and exaggerated (much like the Clinton BJ).

Congress has not written any legislation that expressly allots any monies to ACORN. However, if you listen to Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly, they will tell you that all the legislation has hidden provisions to make ACORN rich and powerful. All lies...par for the course from those idiots...

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

"Are you serious? There are cops that only write traffic tickets? Is it because there is no $$$ in solving a serious crime but you can squeeze alot of cash out of a speeder?"

What i am saying is that if a cop is assigned to police a cetain area, like a stretch of highway or a neighborhood, they are not going to leave their post to investigate "unsolved felonies." Of course they would respond to a felony in progress, but they don't just get bored with their assignment and decide to knock on Turd's door and help solve the mystery of the missing lawn mower from 20 years ago. Cold cases are investigated usually by special units or investigators. They don't just leave it up to the whim of officers to decide that "everything sems peaceful here in Over-The-Rhine, think I will just go on up to West Chester and see if I can uncover some new evidence on that murder-suicide last week." Contrary to wat you seem to think that would not be an effective way to solve the felonies of yesteryear, and would leave citizens at risk by encouraging officers to make maverick decisions about how to spend their time.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

Wow, you really know your police ops and procedures, I'm glad you straightened me out.


I'm going to have add those smileys and sarcasm warnings to my posts from now on.

"Wow, you really know your police ops and procedures, I'm glad you straightened me out.


I'm going to have add those smileys and sarcasm warnings to my posts from now on."

You could save us both a lot of time and refrain from making moronic posts in the first place.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

But how would I get moronic responses?

Is this another "who's on 1st" arguments? I liked the last response. Classic.




"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Thats because you are a moron jeff...lol. Too easy fool.

"Thats because you are a moron jeff...lol. Too easy fool."


And you're the bravest MF'er on the planet, Mr. I'mnotgoingtousealoginhere. Bravo, azz. Where did you say you lived again--Vallejo? Maybe I'll look you up, my little whore troll friend.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Go for it jeff, I have no reason to fear you I am not a greasey sandwich so you would pay me no mind...lol. Besides I never said I lived in Vallejo, you should really take some reading comprehension classes....Porky.

Wow--I'm so burnt up that I feel like a mix between Rod Jones and DeAngelo Hall--Toasty. You're awful brave sitting behind that monitor huh? Got an address so when you have the chance to call me Porky to my face, I rip your face off and wipe my azz with it?





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

"ACORN is a red herring issue. None of their antics changed the landscape of the national election. However, it has become a hot button issue for the Repubs. It incites anger and unity among the righties even though it was hugely overblown and exaggerated (much like the Clinton BJ).

Congress has not written any legislation that expressly allots any monies to ACORN. However, if you listen to Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly, they will tell you that all the legislation has hidden provisions to make ACORN rich and powerful. All lies...par for the course from those idiots..."


You need to do some research and climb out of Move On's ass

The issue with Clinton was and still is his lying, hell I could give a crap whether he got a blow job in the White house.

The hot button (as you so eloquently put it) is taxpayer dollars going to a partisan group or it's affiliates, and all the charges of voter fraud brought against that same group.

If a conservatives group or its affiliates were getting taxpayer dollars promoting a certain candidate with charges in a bunch of states brought against them, Im sure youd have your panties all in a wad about it too. Did it change the landscape of the election, no way to tell factually so Im sure itll be an ongoing debated for a while.

"Did it change the landscape of the election, no way to tell factually so Im sure itll be an ongoing debated for a while."

Are you serious? Please explain to me how it could have changed the election? I would argue that ACORN's antics may have actually cost Obama votes because people (stupidly, I might add) associate him with ACORN even though he wasnt connected to them other than representing them via his law firm (i.e. he was told to do so) in the 90's.

Furthermore, you avoided the issue (not suprisingly). There is no provision in any budget or any stimulus that expressly gives money to ACORN. Show me one provision from Congress where they allot money specifically to ACORN. I want to see the name ACORN in the bill.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Does ACORN receive any money (directly or through another organization) from the U.S. Gov't.?

Hahaha porky! Coward how you figure? So lets get this straight, you talk mess about everyone else knowing you are out of reach yet just cause someone doesn't have a log in that makes them a coward? You are a pin head if I had a log in would you know anymore than you know now, think about it stupid. Also cmbh kicked your back side repeatedly and you didn't say squat until you firgured out he wasnt around anymore...guess that makes you a coward. You are a real internet bad boy aren't you, threatening people over the web. You don't like it, but you love to be an a$$ to everyone else. Well I suppose you are used to it, probably been an a$$ your whole life. Yet you wonder why no one likes you..hmmm I wonder why. Now go cry to mommy, I bet she got you a sammich all warmed up....Porky.

"just cause someone doesn't have a log in that makes them a coward?"


No, that just makes YOU a coward, coward.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Ok whatever dude you make no sense again..I think you got gravy on the brain...porky...LMMFAO

Looks like CMBH is back.

No Jeff, I am not Chris. Nice try though. If I were cmbh I would post a book length post b-slapping you all over the place, while I just get straight to the point of putting you in your place....porky.

I don't know. This sounds like DW.

"Looks like CMBH is back."


I knew he just couldn't stay away. LOL. Like the sig, Chris--I saved it, just for you Putzwad.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

"Does ACORN receive any money (directly or through another organization) from the U.S. Gov't.?"





Here is a breakdown of federal funds received by ACORN:

RECIPIENT CITY ST AMOUNT DATE
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $1,016,473.86 03/26/08
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $1,821,596.00 03/06/08
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION N/A N/A $7,850,939.00 02/24/08
ACORN INSTITUTE INC. WASHINGTON DC $362,378.00 01/28/08
ACORN INSTITUTE DALLAS TX $179,916.00 12/31/07
ACORN INSTITUTE DALLAS TX $124,915.00 12/31/07
ACORN INSTITUTE DALLAS TX $124,693.00 12/31/07
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION ST. PAUL MN $100,000.00 11/20/07
NEW MEXICO ACORN FAIR HOUSING ALBUQUERQUE NM $99,757.00 11/20/07
NEW MEXICO ACORN FAIR HOUSING ALBUQUERQUE NM $99,724.00 01/17/07
ACORN ASSOCIATES INC. ALBUQUERQUE NM $49,997.00 01/17/07
ACORN COMMUNITY LAND ASSOCIATION OF LOUISIANA
NEW ORLEANS LA $100,000.00 01/17/07
ACORN FAIR HOUSING WASHINGTON DC $80,000.00 09/08/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION ST. PAUL MN $80,000.00 09/08/06
ACORN INSTITUTE INC. NEW ORLEANS LA $80,000.00 09/08/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION OF TEXAS HOUSTON TX $49,865.00 09/08/06
ACORN COMMUNITY LAND ASSOCIATION ALBUQUERQUE NM $99,775.00 09/08/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION OF ARIZONA PHOENIX AZ $99,840.00 09/08/06
ACORN COMMUNITY LAND ASSOCIATION OF LOUISIANA
BALTIMORE MD $200,000.00 09/08/06
ACORN FAIR HOUSING WASHINGTON DC $79,988.00 09/08/06
ACORN INSTITUTE INC. NEW ORLEANS LA $79,896.80 09/08/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION ST. PAUL MN $80,000.00 09/08/06
ACORN COMMUNITY LAND ASSOCIATION OF LOUISIANA
NEW ORLEANS LA $80,000.00 09/08/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION OF ARIZONA PHOENIX AZ $95,000.00 09/08/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION ST. PAUL MN $100,000.00 09/06/06
ACORN FAIR HOUSING, A PROJECT OF AMERICAN INSTITUTE
WASHINGTON DC $100,000.00 09/06/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION ST. PAUL MN $100,000.00 09/06/06
ACORN COMMUNITY LAND ASSOCIATION OF LOUISIANA
NEW ORLEANS LA $100,000.00 09/06/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION N/A IL $351,000.00 08/29/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION N/A IL $527,000.00 08/29/06
ACORN ASSOCIATES NEW ORLEANS LA $1,999,920.00 06/14/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $1,197,255.00 03/21/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $78,354.00 03/21/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATIONPHILADELPHIA PA $323,439.00 03/21/06
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATIONPHILADELPHIA PA $275,000.00 03/21/06
ACORN HOUSING ST. PAUL MN $100,000.00 12/13/05
ACORN INSTITUTE DALLAS TX $96,952.58 12/13/05
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $1,812,471.00 05/02/05
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $325,000.00 05/02/05
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $275,000.00 05/02/05
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $2,024,511.00 02/23/04
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $380,282.00 02/23/04
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $ 250,962.00 02/23/04
ACORN ASSOCIATES NEW ORLEANS LA $999,974.00 11/25/03
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $1,167,044.00 01/13/03
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $1,032,192.00 01/16/02
ACORN FAIR HOUSING WASHINGTON DC $300,000.00 11/09/01
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION CHICAGO IL $300,000.00 04/11/01
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $597,474.34 04/11/01
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $1,000,000.00 06/23/99
ACORN TENANT UNION TRAINING AND ORGANIZING PROJECT
WASHINGTON DC $99,900.00 04/13/99
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION CHICAGO IL $751,500.00 02/12/99
ACORN HOUSING CORPORATION PHILADELPHIA PA $1,000,000.00 08/27/98
ACORN TENANT UNION TRANING PROJECT, INC.
BROOKLYN NY $250,000.00 04/08/98
ARKANSAS ACORN FAIR HOUSING LITTLE ROCK AR $100,000.00 02/19/98
TOTAL $31,049,984.58

"Man you are pathetic franklin leise faire economics like you suggest wont work either. I think we tried that once in our past yep didn't work then either and wont work now with a global economy. Something you seem to ignore is that rich powerful people left to their own devices will look to become richer and more powerfull at the expense of the middle class.You may be well off or comfortable now, but what would it be like if they had their way, there would be three kinds of workers: paper pushers, burger flippers and the unemployed. Look I hate government intervention as much as the next guy, but your view on things is way too simplistic, I suggest you turn off the radio and try thinking for yourself a little. I know I know you'll say I thought this up all my own and I hate socialism, but you and all the other many ditto heads are spouting the exact same message. Not just the same message, but the exact same words...lol, yeah you're a free/deep thinker just like murf...lmao....twit."


Yep typical Left argument and lockstep with move on. I suggest you call George Soros he might fund your ramblings. If you have no facts call em names it will distract the true debate.I would much rather you say I disagree because, but I can plainly see you've' been inundated with the class warfare set by the left. Code pink is calling.

Frankinlite,
Speaking of calss warfare, why do right-wingers hate George Soros so much?

He got rich doing exactly what you guys believe in: working hard and playing the market. Essentially, the American Dream. So why is it that you guys bash him so much. Is getting rich off the market something that is supposed to be reserved to people who share a certain politics or something?

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

CIN-STAR I have not heard of anyone not liking him because of his money but what he does with it. he funds a lot various extreme anti american projects, anti-gun groups etc..

Talk about lock step there franklin you have done nothing but repeat every little thing your masteres have told you. Maybe you should try to step out of that little realm and take a look at reality. Of course you won't though just as long as everything is fine in your world then all must be well around the world. Man, I've seen so much bs spew from the real world its unbelievable, I am part of a corporation right now that is kicking the American worker aside all in the name of more money in "our" pockets. I don't know if what our president is doing is going to help or not, but one thing I DO KNOW is that left to our own devices too much is never enough. If you can live with that then more power to you, but it is making me sick. The worst thing about all of it is that you and folks like you were sold an idea that just isn't so, but you guys just keep lapping it up like a bunch of hungry,ignorant puppies.

Great post Franklinite. Thank you for tracking down some facts. Damn the loony lefties hate it when they get hit with facts.

And oh yeah, ACORN looks a little less like a red herring now don't they?

Facts? What facts prove your point about ACORN? I think everyone in the country knows they have applied for and received money from the government.

All those stats prove is that ACORN is an entity that has received money from the government. I hate to break this to you, but,

1. Not all ACORN (actually the vast majority) entities workers have not committed any crime or wrongdoing.

2. ACORN and its entities are among the THOUSANDS (actually TENS OF THOUSANDS) of entities that receive federal funding.

3.http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/florida/story/727793.html - red herring!

4. I will ask this one again. Can any of you righties prove that the actions of ACORN changes any aspect of any local, state, or national election? Please try and answer this question this time and dont give me some B.S. answer of asking me to prove a negative.



"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

"CIN-STAR I have not heard of anyone not liking him because of his money but what he does with it. he funds a lot various extreme anti american projects"

Yeah, like

1. trying to erradicate hunger and AIDS in Afirca

2. promoting democracy in Russia and Poland

3. doanting hundreds of millions of dollars to US univerisites

4. donating millions to international universities

5. funding nobel winners

6. erradicting apartheid in South Africa.

The repubs get their panties in bunch because it was Soros' mission to make sure Bush lost the 2004 election (which he failed to do) - they also hate that he donated money to Lynne Stewart, an attorney who defended a couple of guys charged with being terrorists a few years ago (some people only believe in the right to counsel if it means themselves or similarly situated folk). I actually heard Lynn Stewart speak in law school. Her conviction is the perfect example of the differences of justice system pre and post 9/11. In any event, Soros was villified for giving her $20,000.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Dear President Obama bin Laden,

My name is Jeff------uhhhhhhhhh-----ACORN, yeah, that's it. I need money for my Sacramento Housing Project. Please send me a $2 million dollar check for "safe keeping".

Thank you for your frivolous spending habits,

Mr. Acorn


P.S.
Nice job with those terrorists. IT TOOK YOU LONG ENOUGH TO MAKE A DECISION. Were you consulting Jimmy Carter on that?




"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Dear Jeff,

As you are aware, we were able to rescue the American and kill the pirates within 72 hours.
Sorry we couldnt plan and execute the operation in the 24 hour window you demanded.
Next time, we will rush into it and make mistakes probably costing lives. Regardless, at least people like you will be happy!

Go Sirens!

Sincerely,

B.O.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

"Go Sirens!

Sincerely,

B.O."


Dear Osama,

Thank you for your support of the Sacramento Sirens. Much Appreciated! We want your followers--mainly Bronco to take the 1st Saturday Flight from Las Vegas, NV to Sacramento, CA to help cheer on the Sirens as they take on the California Quake! If he doesn't help the Sirens' cause--then he must become a staunch conservative gun-owning meat-eating meathead immediately. BTW--Thanks for bailing me out. That 2 million will be well-spent on X-Box360 Games--a new system, top-of-the-line surround sound, and a bumping system in my car--and then some.

Sincerely,

Coach Acorn


LMMFAO.




"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Dear Osama,

I want to give you this recommendation for honor--Bronco was at first up in the stands with a 10 x 6 (measured by feet) flag waving it around like a mad-man. I had to do a double-take to believe what I was seeing. Then dumbazz came down to the cheerleaders on the track--don'ed a wig--and did a double back flip screaming "GO SIRENS" the whole while. It was really a sight to see--however, we got our business done on the field (without his armchair-cheerleading style for help)--and we downed the Quake--48-0. No thanks to his squeeling, we still got the job done.

I'm still all for--for releasing him from your party to become a staunch conservative type.

Sincerely,

Coach Acorn





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

I was there, I caught a picture of the flag that Bronco was running down.

"why do right-wingers hate George Soros so much?"

I think it's great he has had the opportunity to make his fortune in America, but to use his fortune to fund the liberal way of thinking via Media Matters gets under any conservative skin. It's a giant tool to deface conservative principles. The same way Move on and the rest of the liberal networks work.

"I think it's great he has had the opportunity to make his fortune in America, but to use his fortune to fund the liberal way of thinking via Media Matters gets under any conservative skin."

Fair enough.

But he could just be sincerely acting on his convictions and trying to do what he thinks is right, not maliciously trying to get under conservative's skin. I see no reason to despise him (I know you said "gets under (my) conservative skin, but many conservatives seem to genuinely depsise him).

You may have donated to a political party or cause that I miay not agree with but I wouldn't have any personal malice toward you. To me it is the same thing, except Soros has way more money so it is obviously much more visible.

Its not like he is making money off of politics, just donating money to causes he supports.