http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1193941/North-Korea-plan-missile-launch-Hawaii-Independence-Day.html

If this threat is legit and he is truly thinking about suicide, then we need to send in word to the citizens of North Korea, that hell is comming and they have to make a choice...stay and die or take cover in south Korea and learn to love your southern nieghbors, b/c they are taking over as soon as the US warships stop the slaughter.

Obama--it is time to be a leader and stop playing monopoly.
Iran/Chavez/North Korea/Somalia---all have made threats...do something.

Yeah, do something like Dubya did with Iraq...real fukking brilliant.

Keep your panties on, Murf. Did you really bring up Somalia and Chavez? LOL

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Yes, I did bring in 2 very dangerous story lines being ingored by Daddy Wharbucks.

Keep the panties on?
lol...

untill the rockets kill americans?
Brilliant...then what, cry to the UN for help.

Jesus, sometimes you are Hannity and Co.'s favorite type of sheep.

Just out of sheer curiosity, why would North Korea launch a missle attack against the US?

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Thank god Obama is cutting missile defense, its a good will gesture to promote hugs. Bronco, I do like this appeasement much better than Dubya's approach. I hear that Obama and Jimmy Carter are talking about boycotting the Olympics, that brought the Russians to their knees in '84.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1193941/North-Korea-plan-missile-launch-Hawaii-Independence-Day.html

Why wait....lets send another angry letter now!

Thought we'd have a hard exit date out of Iraq by now. I know, its only been 5 months since the inauguration. In Dec 08 Obama said 16 months, in Feb 09 he said 19 months...been silent ever since. This guy is deluded. Where are all the Bush war critics and the War Is Not The Answer crowd? Obama has virtually adopted all of the Bush policies in Iraq and Afghanistan. He even kept Robert Gates as Sec of Defense. That's one campaign promise you can flush down the toilet no matter what date he offers. We will never be out of there unless you believe we are out of Germany, Korea and Japan.

Are missiles WMD's? Strange how the Koreans are aiming at Hawaii. Why not Manilla, its closer. Think they are trying to test the POTUS? There is no way in hell they could reach Hawaii, this is theatrics by lil Kim. Love how Murf reacts to anything he hears on the radio on the way home from the bar.

He screamed and screamed about pulling out of Iraq and even attacked Hillary for saying that she would take her time in Iraq.
Yet, once the morons elected him, he used the exact time frame that the previous adm. set up.

The N. Korea deal is a true threat, a threat against every single man. woman and child in this country.
If he fails at this, then teh world will see an opening to attack and do whatever they want.

It is no secret that the enemy views liberals as the weak link in our millitary system.

BTW---as usual, you don't follow the hugs and kisses aproach, then you must listen to Hannity or Rush..
Typical!



"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

"Just out of sheer curiosity, why would North Korea launch a missle attack against the US?"

For one thing, they can, with complete immunity.

Hugs and kisses approach? Is that what's happening in Afghanistan, where we are now making war on people that attacked us?

What must be really in your throat, Murf, is that Obama makes war on terrorists, and inspires a new generation of Iranians to reject the religious zanies in that country.

You make crap up. You don't have much choice. The country has moved on from the phony patriotism of your draft-dodging heros, with their disingenious bravado.

They can't. Their best rocket can only travel 4,000 miles, which is 500 miles too short to reach the US. Plus, they've never actually had a successful target test with this missile.

Let them launch. Even the chinese will come down on them then, since the chinese hold so much of our debt. Another war would trash our economy, which would make the dollar worthless, which would destroy Chinese exports and debt holdings. And we don't have to do anything.

"Yet, once the morons elected him, he used the exact time frame that the previous adm. set up. "

LOL, what time frame was that? Bush had a time frame to get out of Iraq?

You fukkers kill me. You are so delusional you think North Korea will risk their country and way of life by firing a missle at us that wont even hit us.You guys need to take your mouths off of Hannity and Cunningham's cock for 2 minutes and think about what you are saying.

We are getting out of Iraq. I just read about the military begining to load up cargo ships with tanks, movable buildings and some troops. Like it or not, it is happening.

Furthermore, for those of you with selective memory, Obama also stated last year that a certain amount of troops will be left in Iraq on a quasi-permanent basis. Nice try though...what's next? Are you guys gonna question where he was born?

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Bronco, it is you who has some of Olbmermans dribble off your chin. First, you guys show no concern over their ability to reach hawaii, they have come this far, to think they won't eventually make it is naive. Second, its not about them randomly firing a missile at us, it is leverage. What options do we have if they invade S. Korea or ship nukes to some Muslim Extremist? A lot less with nuclear tipped wareheads pointed at us.

Clinton/Carter gives them numclear reactors in 1994, Obama dismantles missile shield, so when Hawaii gets nuked, it will be amusing to see how you guys blame Bush.

Keep on fear mongering dude, you are hysterical.

As I mentioned several years ago on this board, it is stupid to think that other countries will not gain access to nukes at some point. No amount of invasions, sanctions or embargos will ever change that. We invented the nuke about 70 years ago. Do you really think you can keep it out of "the extremists" hands in the next 70? Get a grip...

The sooner you begin to understand that 90% of the world doesnt like it when we constantly try to police what weapons every can and cant have, the sooner you will understand that we need to explore other options (like diplomacy) in order to keep peace in the world.

You crack me up with your "when they nuke Hawaii" drivel. You are pathetic and hopeless. Go beat your chest and scare some hapless vagrants on the street. It doesnt work in here.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Of course, the typical liberal lines come out....

HANNITY/RUSH/CUNNINGHAM...
That is a tired line already.

Some of us don't need the media to fill our heads with bullsh!t and unicorns...(hint..hint)

Did Obama, campaign against Hillary and blast her for not wanting to pull out of Iraq quick enough?
Did Obama, campaign against MCain, that he would not pull out quick enough and use the Bush time frame?

Is he using the Bush time Frame?

The man is a flat out liar and a con artist and he is holding our security in his hands, and he is being led around by the craziest
b!tch on earth.
You can get angry at all of us who see what is going on, but it will never change the fact that a sworn enemy of this country, has hinted at shooting a missle at the United States. he can deliver a missle into Islands.

Nobody counted on Japan havign the balls to bomb the United States either...

I am not saying that he will or even can pull this off, I am just saying that our leader needs to stop dreaming of talks, and start creating a plan of action now, so if does jump off, we don't spend countless hours trying to talk to the nieghbors in that region.

As for your fuching hero on the Iranian front.
Get a clue jackazz (trooper)...The man has a perfect chance to rid Rainman and the relgious nutbags in Iran, yet, he has done nothing to back the uprising..he said he should not meddle in thier affairs....
What a clown!
Are you serious?
A perfect chance to get the crazy midget out of office and he just wants to sit back and see what happens.
lol!

Diplomacy...yep, lets talk about things after the fact.

Please stop with the rest of the world crying game...the rest of the world needs us to be the arms police and we need to eb the arms police. If you can't understand that basic concept, you need to read a tad bit more.

"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

"Please stop with the rest of the world crying game...the rest of the world needs us to be the arms police and we need to be the arms police. If you can't understand that basic concept, you need to read a tad bit more."

What would you have us read?

How much longer do you think we can keep nukes out of the hands of people we dont want to have them? Ooops, too late, China and Pakistan already have them...darn!

How do you expect Obama to pay for a war in Iran?

How do you expect Obama to pay for a war in North Korea?

You do understand that the war in Iraq was paid for by loans, right? We get to pay those bad boys back for the next 50 years...

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Bronco, Bush DID have a timetable for getting out of Iraq. Check your sources on this. I'm not particularly worried about N. Korea launching a nuclear weapon at Hawaii right now. But I am curious as to why you seem so dismissive of this threat. Why do we suppose N. Korea is spending all this money to develope nuclear weapons in the first place? With China and Russia both defending them nobody is about to attack them. And I'm sure South Korea, Japan and the Phillipines are a bit more nervous about this than you and I. So logically they either intend to use nukes someday (less likely) or they intend to use the "threat" of them someday (more likely.) I would like to see us test our missile defenses by shooting these missiles down. This would give us some valuable test data and deprive N. Korea of their test data.

Regarding diplomacy, we've seen the Democrats tired old version of diplomacy for decades. It goes something like this: "Ok what is it going to take to get you guys to stop doing this? Ok then, how long do we have to get that for ya'?" Diplomacy these days is little more than that, especially when you're negotiating from a position of weakness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luisitania


Evidently, our government/our people don't learn lessons from history. What's even funnier about this event in history is that we were warned about floating our boats around the British Isles. We didn't listen. U-20 sinks the ship we enter the war. Now, you might say that placing passengers on a ship that had instruments of war on it was a bad idea (or maybe if you're smarter and see through the smokescreen that it was future war propaganda for the American Public to enter the war)--and it was.

Now, fast forward 94 years. Evidently we're doing the same stupid sh*t. We are being warned about Kim Jong Il shooting off his mouth and his weapontry to the world--and here we sit idle doing nothing. Woodrow Wilson did the same thing 94 years ago. Similarities? Yeah--both are weak presidents. Both got us into global problems because they failed to act on aggression.

War Mongering, Bronco? You're not one of these world peace idiots are ya? There will never be world peace. Especially when the Israelis are that close into proximity to that many radical muslims.

Here's another thing to the extreme liberal left--WE NEED ISRAEL. The United States uses Israel as a radical Islam Floodgate. If the dam breaks, there will be more terrorist acts against Western Europe/US Interests. It's a damned shame your golden boy doesn't realize that.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

World history books, would be the first thing you read.

You are worried about money? LOL!
Money grows on trees, we have enough to purchase auto companies and insr. companies and give everyone free healthcare and rebuild parks and schools and the rest of that unicorn dream check, but we don't have enough to protect the people that are feeding that endless bank account????

WOW!

Chavez/N Korea/Iran, are serious issues that need to be top priority, not politcal talk and placed on the back burners.

OK...Bronco...lets just allow every muslim nut job with a title, to have Nukes...
B/C gosh darnit, we have them and we should not be the world police, it makes some people angry...

Seriously?

It occurs to me that you guys are comparing North Korea to Nazi Germany as if they are in the same league. If North Korea were to use a nuke, they would get destroyed by the world - they would become a parking lot.

The missle you guys are talking about has a range of 4000 miles. Hawaii is 4500 miles away. In addition, North Korea has not proven it has any semblance of a modern tracking or guiding system for the missle (i.e. they cant accurately guide the stupid thing).

The only time I ever heard about Bush pulling out of Iraq was after Obama stated his plan. No George, you dont get credit for something after soemone else proposes something similar to yours 6 months earlier. No points. Do not collect $200. Do not pass Go.

I am a believer in handling real and imminent threats. If we were so worried about North Korea and their nukes, why didnt we invade them instead of Iraq? LOL - It is apparent they are "more of a threat" than Sadam and his awesome army, right? Was that another mistake? Sheesh...



"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Murf,

My point was merely that this idea of us thinking we can keep nukes out of every country's hands from now until the end of time is silly. Not to mention, why are we allowed to have them and no one else (CHina, Russia, Pakistan, ect notwithstanding).

I dont like the idea of Iran or Korea having a nuke anymore than you do, but sometimes you have to take a step back and look at the perspective of other nations. We all share this world, but why are we the ones who gets to say who gets what weapons and when? It is extremely arrogant and one-sided. Its also another reason why these people hate us. Imagine if we didnt have nukes and it was only because Iran told us we couldnt have them and if we tried to build them to defend ourselves, we would be invaded and crushed...kinda f*cked up, huh?



"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

I understand what you are saying, and it does seem unfair, but the path was formed many years ago and we can't change it now.
We are the world police, other nations might cry and scream about this and that about America, but when someone wants to create havoc in the world, the United States is the first call to protect.
That is our job.

I believe everyone in the world understands that we would never use a Nuke in a war unless it was the last resort to defend ourselves.
We are tad bit more stable than most nations.

Iran gets a Nuke, and you get some extreme nut case like the midget in there, and they fire a nuke inot Isreal, then we all are in a world of trouble.

Korea, seriously doubt they would fire one at US soil, but with this guy, you just can't take the chance of ignoring the threat.

"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

"If North Korea were to use a nuke, they would get destroyed by the world - they would become a parking lot. "

LOL, whatever... If Hawaii got nuked, Obama would go on TV and call that action something like "provocative", then he would consult with lawyers, Pelosi and the UN. LOL if you think anything serious would happen. I can picture you in 1930's France arrogantly saying, don't worry, Germans will never cross the Maginot Line, they would be stupid if they did.

Also, question, to you, what is the meaning of signing a treaty or having another country sign one? Should we look away when one doesn't follow the rules?



Don't worry, it can only go 4000 miles, your 4,500 miles away, nothing to worry here, move along..
-Bronco

Alright Homey,

What do you propose we do?

Time to attack Iran and Korea?

Secondly, your comparison of Korea to Germany under Hitler is disingenuous. The technology and ability to attack nations (and succeed) is far less applicable for Korea. North Korea may pose a risk to South Korea and Japan, but certainly not to us.

Why cant you guys get your head of your azzes and finish the war in Afghanistan, you know, the people that actually have attacked us before???????? Is anyone else besides me unhappy we have not found and killed BIn Laden???? Oh, I forgot, he is just a figure head and not important. B.S.

I love how you quoted me. It shows your idiocy. You are the one on here that has stated the missle could reach Hawaii when clearly it cannot...

According to several sources, it can reach the islands!


"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

Which sources?

The same ones who told you about the Bungs taking Rashaun Woods? LOL



"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

You are correct Bronco...

Lets just wati and see what happens.
then send them a stern letter and call for more diplomacy!



"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

Lets just wait and see what happens.
then send them a stern letter and call for more diplomacy!


DAMN IT....IT NEEDS TO BE AN "ANGRY" LETTER IN CAPS!!!!!lol

What is the only thing North K has to sell to rest of the world???...seems to me there showing their product to someone....I wonder who?

Hey right-wingers, don't forget Russia and China. Two more undemocractic regimes that crack down on journalists and political reformers and have been known to rig the outcome of elections.

So go ahead and add them to the list of countries for Obama to invade.

Oh, and if you guys are serious about America solving everyone's problems, then we should go ahead and invade allies Saudi Arabia and Eqypt, and then go after Brazil (corrupt elections) and Columbia.

Am I forgetting anyone? Oh yeah: Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Malaysia, Cambodia, Cuba, Lebanon, Syria, about 80% of Africa and of course Pakistan.

Oh and now that I think about it, when was the last time the Inuits at the North Pole had free and fair elections? That's what I thought, those bastards need to go too before their Anti-Americanism spreads to Greenland. That's practically our backyard!

Don't you guys realize the world's problems are a lot bigger than America? Yes we are a great nation, but a nation that spreads itself thin and micromanages all other sovereign nations affairs will not be great for long. If you guys want to go die in some craphole other country while simultaneously bankrolling a bunch of foreign fighters that are just as likely to just want your money as care about the ephemeral ideas you support, please be my guess. As far as I know, Murf and Homey you have never even served, so go ahead and enlist or just buy a plane ticket to Iran and a gun when you get there and do your best, fine by me. You may even be able to join these reformers as a recruit when you get there. Of course you will realize that they are probably a bunch of low-life murderers too who are willing to kill innocents and use terror to make their point, but it's about the ideas you are fighting for not the tactics right? You guys hate paying taxes right? Well, next year liquidate your assets and use the money to become a foreign "freedom fighter," then you can stick it to Obama and his socialist agenda by being a tax evader, and you can use the money to save the world and bring Democracy and freedom to all humanity! You guys will probably even get your own chapter in future history books.

By the way, all these countries including N. Korea, Iran, Somalia and Russia were all doing the same things when Dumbya was in office too and he did nothing while you guys played cheerleader for the Iraq War, which had little to nothing to do with our national security. All bush did was brand Iran and N. Korea part of an axis of evil and then did nothing while Ahmadinejad was elected (2003) and Kim Jung Il launched rockets. Words and slogans mean nothing, remember, it is a point constantly harped on in regards to Obama. Well, Bush had a lot of tough words and did nothing while the world became "less safe," so if Obama doesn't invade half the world either stop acting like he is some sort of pacifist. (Or is the deal as long as you invade something while POTUS then you are a bad ass regardless of what else happens or how much sense it made?)

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

You guys think Obama would let someone nuke Hawaii? It's his home freakin' state!

Oh wait, that's right, Obama wasn' even born in America. Almost forgot.

Don't worry too much about a nuclear attack either, your tin-foil hats also protect against radiation poisoning if you didn't know.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

I see the point, we can not afford to invade everyone, but I would just be happy if we didn't send North Korea money and nuclear reactors like we did in the 90's.

These are all vitally important issues without easy answers. But what I'm waiting for is to start hearing the word "incentives" coming from the Obama administration. In the real world our history has been to grant "incentives" to the bad guys in exchange for them changing their behavior. These "incentives" sometimes take the form of direct cash deposits, such as Jimmy Carter did with the first Islamic revolution when the Americans were held hostage in Iran. Other times the "incentives" come in the form of trade agreements, inevitably one-sided that leave american businesses competing with one hand behind their backs and the american middle class getting screwed, glued and tattooed as usual.

In the case of N. Korea it's hard to figure out just what it is they want. With their population starving you might think they want greater food imports and/or greater access to export their products to the United States. But I can't imagine Kim Jong Il caring about his countrymen that much. I think the guy just has an enormous ego and what he really wants is more power. I think he wants to be seen as a legitimate world leader who is feared and respected by the rest of the world.

So wait until the president's handlers start writing speeches for him heavily laden with the word "incentives." And when you see it, bend over, grab your ankles and pray for vaseline.

Homey,
couldn't agree more. What boggles my mind is that we help create and empower some of these rogue nations under the guise of "free trade," as you mentioned with N. Korea. I think we should trade freely with nations that share our values, such as democracy and individual freedom. I don't think we should feel obligated to trade with countries that refuse to hold legitimate elections, who jail non-violent political dissenters, who refuse to allow the freedom of press and the right to assembly, among other things. Unfortunately this has not been our policy for a long time, regardless of political party in power. Our government has time and again sided with short term economic interests instead of universal human rights.

Granted, we impose sanctions on countries like N. Korea and Iran. But what about Russia? Does anyone actually believe Medvedyev, Putin's hand-picked successor, actually took 80% of the vote? Journalists have been disappearing there, and political protests have been quelled by Putin's government for years. Russia has openly stated they are building equipment that will scramble our missile defense system in Poland, the one that supposedly would defend us from a nuclear attack from Iran (though Russia correctly argues that it's true intent is to shield Poland and eastern Europe from Russian diplomacy that comes at the end of a warhead). What's more, they have said they plan on using it if the US puts missile defense anywhere on their borders. Not to mention the whole Georgia thang. What is going on there is at least as outrageous as what is going on in Iran, right? So why is it that no one is screaming for Obama to do something about Russia? Is it because they have a huge population of potential consumers and vast amounts of the world's resources? It's worth noting that the US hasn't interfered with Iran's participation in OPEC. It's nice to have the oil now, but it strengthens countries that we fundamentally disagree with in the long term.

The US has two major points of leverage: our economy, and our military. But anyone that wants to use our economy to incite change is labeled a "protectionist" by the same people that support using our military to impose democracy. The policy instead is to openly trade with dictatorhips and wait for them to gradually become more American overtime. If they interfere with those trade relationships then we use the military. But this has been going on for a long time and would be very hard to rectify now; if you cut off trade relationships with every country that wasn't really a democracy then we would tank our economy and the world's. Just like we can't invade and nation build all those countries at once either. It could only be done over the course of several administrations and would require a fundamental shift in US foreign policy.

I know most of you guys are probably set that I'm a liberal. I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries and then worked for Obama's campaign in the general. I consider myself a progressive conservative. I am actually registered Republican because in Ohio you automatically register for the party you vote for in the primary, but I have never made an effort to join any parties of the political persuasion. Drinking parties on the other hand are a different story altogether...

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

"I know most of you guys are probably set that I'm a liberal. I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries and then worked for Obama's campaign in the general. I consider myself a progressive conservative. I am actually registered Republican because in Ohio you automatically register for the party you vote for in the primary, but I have never made an effort to join any parties of the political persuasion. Drinking parties on the other hand are a different story altogether... "



GESUS C, DUDE--ARE YOU SEXUALLY CONFUSED TOO?!?!?!?!! LMAO.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

No Falc,
Sexuality is easy, but in politics they are all dicks.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

...."I believe everyone in the world understands that we would never use a Nuke in a war unless it was the last resort to defend ourselves."

See Aug, 6 and 9, 1945.