Died from eating five year old wieners!



"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

I hear he really touched a lot of his younger fans.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

McDonalds is coming out with a new burger, called the McJacko, its a 50 year old piece of meat in a 6 year old bun

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Since MJ was 90% plastic, Hasbro has bought the rights to his body and plans to melt him down and make Leggo's out of him so the the kiddies can play with him for a change

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They just said because he was a organ donor his organs will continue to be donated to children

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You can say what you want about Michael Jackson but at least he drove past schools slowly

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What's the difference between Michael Jackson and a battery?




I care when my battery dies.

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I feel really ripped off-I bought a Michael Jackson Calender and it only goes to June

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What do Michael Jackson and Crisco have in common?

They both come in a little white can.

What is the difference between Michael Jackson and a grocery bag?

One is plastic and dangerous for children, the other is a grocery bag.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

When Farrah Fawcett died and went to heaven, God offered to grant her one wish for her pain and suffering. Farrah said, "I wish that all of the children on earth would be safe." God then proceeded to take Michael Jackson's life.

Only in america, can we have congress have a moment of silence for an accused pedophile and drug addict!
No silence for Ed/Farrah/The dude from Kung Fu?



"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

"Only in america, can we have congress have a moment of silence for an accused pedophile and drug addict!
No silence for Ed/Farrah/The dude from Kung Fu?


Very sad society we live in


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It is sad, and even more pathetic, that our president, sent a hand written letter to the family.
ok, we all agree he was a popular dude and everyone in the world knows his name, but that does not make him a saint.
Hitler was well known also....

The family was nothing short of a disaster, from beatings to daddy rapes.
the Icon, was an accused pedophile, and a junky.

So we are to honor, a family that should be the feature story on the Jerry Springer show?

Seriously?
What is next, a moment of silence for OJ or Dahmer

What's even more pathetic is that some of you are still discussing Jackson 5 days after the fact.

After all, Billy Mays is dead. Can't we talk about him!?

"After all, Billy Mays is dead. Can't we talk about him!?"


Who is Billy Mays?

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That's what I asked when the news first announced his death. How do you watch enough infomercials to get that familiar with a pitchman?

"I think I will try to stick to conversations that don't involve politics." - murf, April 17 2009

[quote] How do you watch enough infomercials to get that familiar with a pitchman? [/quote]

True, but he was more talented than Ed McMahon and Farrah Fawcet and more normal than Michael Jackson.

Ed McMahon's talent was that he had a good laugh and a good voice to agree with Johnny Carson and to promote Publisher's Clearinghouse.

Farrah Fawcet's talent is that she was gorgeous. Girls like her would be a dime a dozen in the media these days.

Jackson was extremely talented but was also one of the most flawed stars of our era (up there with Mike Tyson and below OJ Simpson).

Mays at least was productive and got people's attention during commercials, and did not beat up prostitutes like the Slap Chop and Shamwow guy...

so now, he is not even the biological dad of the kids. We have an accused child molester who bought an egg, bought sperm rented an oven and made kids.

..and Congress gave a moment of silence for this? This country is hosed.

Just heard that his Dermatologist is the biological father of his son, it is being reported that the last thing his Dr advised him of was to stay out of the son

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/06/new-york-congressman-blasts-jackson-pervert-low-life/


Man, I do have to agree. Sheesh.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

How could Michael tell when his sister was on her period?


His dads weiner tasted like blood

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Ewww. Go back to posting pictures of your sunflowers, Storm!

"I think I will try to stick to conversations that don't involve politics." - murf, April 17 2009

...could a poor Black boy grow up to be a rich white woman?

Nobody will be playing his music in 10 or 20 years. He was no James Brown.

"Nobody will be playing his music in 10 or 20 years. He was no James Brown."


Elvis was f*cked up. But we're still playing his music. Say what you want about Michael Jackson. Hey, I don't like the MF'er either--but his music was great. Yes, GREAT. If you don't think so--then the proof is in the sales. Thriller is one of the top selling albums of all time. Billie Jean, Thriller, and Beat It go into my Top 5 Vids of all-time. Don't think so? I saw a 16-year old kid doing the dance to the Thriller Video this last month on a sidewalk downtown. The Thriller Video came out in 1984.

That means that sh*t is timeless. Even though I hate that MF'er.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Elvis was an addict but even before his death he still would have probably been a cool dude to hang out with, drink a few beers with and listned to his stories. He wasn't fudked up other than his drug problems which haunt many otherwise normal people.

Jackson was just fudked up in almost every sense of the word.

What kills me is how the African American community all of a sudden are pretending that he has always been one of them. Ebony magazine has removed every negative article about him from the web which were numerous to say the least.

Also I heard he died from a combination of food poisoning and choking. Had 9 year old nuts stuck in his throat.

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Dewey, sorry but people will still play his music.

Thriller, Beat it, Billy Jean, PYT and even older stuff like PYT will be played at every 80's theme night, high school reunion and wedding reception for a loooooooooooooooong time...

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

"He wasn't fudked up other than his drug problems"

Elvis was severely f*cked up. Major detachment from reality and mommy issues. The drug problems were a symptom of his psychological difficulties, not the other way around.

"I think I will try to stick to conversations that don't involve politics." - murf, April 17 2009

I can imagine the derisive laughter as I type, but there is a rational argument against Michael Jackson being a child molester. Here is the (in)famous opinion from Jacob Weisberg of Slate, written shortly after Jackson was acquitted in 2005:

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http://www.slate.com/id/2120889/

"I've never believed Michael Jackson was a pedophile. To begin with, he doesn't fit the profile. Child abusers tend to do the same thing again and again. According to one study, the average molester of boys commits 280 crimes over a lifetime. Yet despite the lure of getting rich by making accusations against Jacko, only two alleged victims have ever come forward with detailed allegations."
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It does seem like there should have been a parade of accusing victims if he had really been a pedophile. He certainly had the opportunity to abuse. But my intent is not to insist on his innocence, but merely to say that he might have been innocent.

Aside from that issue, and in spite of his weirdness, my main problem with Jackson was (and is) his overwrought popularity and acclaim. It's all a matter of taste, but I think the public went way off the deep end after Thriller. Yeah, he was great, but not THAT great. My favorite MJ songs are from the Jackson 5 era, particularly I Want You Back.

Speaking if excessive popularity, I think the internet has been slower today because of all the traffic caused by his memorial service. The excess will only get worse as his legend grows. I'm sure we'll be inundated with Jakophilia for the rest of our lives. Cripes.

"According to one study, the average molester of boys commits 280 crimes over a lifetime. Yet despite the lure of getting rich by making accusations against Jacko, only two alleged victims have ever come forward with detailed allegations."

280 freakin kids over a lifetime?! I am not so sure the "only two" is a glowing defense for MJ...and here is why IMHO.

I remeber his lawyer getting on TV when these accusations started and he stated "come down on you like a ton of bricks" for any kid that came out against MJ. Let me give you the legal translation of that quote. It means, We have money, we can make you life a living hell and bankrupt you no matter how guilty MJ is, and do it legally because there is no oversite of abuse of the legal system to use for malicious intent. Much to Bronco's disagreement, I am sure, thats the way it is.

280 crimes does not equal 280 victims. I am sure each instance of child molestation carries a whole bunch of separate charges. If you abuse the same child over a period of time, the charges will quickly rack up and 280 is probably high to begin with.

Besides, you only need to prove one charge before you lynch to bastages right?


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""I've never believed Michael Jackson was a pedophile. To begin with, he doesn't fit the profile. Child abusers tend to do the same thing again and again. According to one study, the average molester of boys commits 280 crimes over a lifetime. Yet despite the lure of getting rich by making accusations against Jacko, only two alleged victims have ever come forward with detailed allegations."


Terrible comparison, MJ was far from average so comparing him to the average pedophile is ridiculous, due to his extreme celebrity status Jacko would have to be extra carefull when choosing his victims, he would almost have to get an entourage of children around him, pay off the families, have some sort of attraction that would make children want to be around, have sleepovers, possibly even adopt or produce his own children if suspicions would arise from from diddling children from his current setup.



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Storm: "... MJ was far from average..."

Agreed. He may have been an unusual pedophile, or then again, he may have been an unusual non-pedophile. Yet in principle I think it's fair to bring up demographic tendencies, as Jackson was still human and inevitably shared traits with other people.


SF2: "280 crimes does not equal 280 victims."

I have no idea how that number was derived. It may be bogus for all I now, but the point about pedophiles molesting many victims rings true.


Homey: "It means, We have money, we can make you life a living hell and bankrupt you no matter how guilty MJ is..."

Storm: "... Jacko would have to be extra carefull when choosing his victims..."

I suppose it's possible that MJ (1) carefully orchestrated his alleged crimes and (2) ruthlessly protected himself against retribution. For all his faults, though, he never came across to me as being predatory and manipulative. He seemed to be naive and innocent, to a fault.

If not a pedophile, why would a grown man insist on having sleepovers with young boys? Consider what we apparently know about Jackson:

- Physically and mentally abused growing up.

- Deprived of a normal childhood through work and fame.

- Psyche frozen at around 10 years of age.

- Achieved unprecedented fame and fortune in his early adult years. As a consequence, experienced a suffocating celebrity-hood.

- Cloistered himself away on a private ranch-amusement-park he called "Neverland", a plain reference to Peter Pan, the boy who never grew up.

- Openly talked of regaining the childhood he never had.

- Surrounded himself with Yes-people who provided no services that would ground him in reality.

So I can see how he might appear to be a pedophile without actually being one. And I stress might.

We don't hear about "Peter Pan Syndrome" as often as we do child molesters, and so it may be harder for us to believe. Nevertheless, it seems to make sense from a psychological perspective. My opinion is that I don't know what the truth is.

"For all his faults, though, he never came across to me as being predatory and manipulative. He seemed to be naive and innocent, to a fault."


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....hell of a dancer, hell of a choreographer. But the dude was not a musician, and he wasn't all that original. He was heavily influenced by James Brown...most especially his dancing. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear much said about James Brown when Michael died or at the memorial. Which is incredible to me.

MJ sold a ton of records (and videos) from, comparitavely speaking, few releases. Which certainly speaks to his popularity at a certain time. But if you look at WHEN most of his sales occurred, you will find that (until his death of course) he hadn't sold squat in years. And after the recent interest blows by, he won't be selling squat again. James Brown is still selling, will always be selling, and so will the Beatles. Generation after generation. We'll have to take up this debate of course in 10 years to see who is right. I will be very surprised if Michael Jackson is still selling records 10 years from now.

Michael Jackson's fame reached a self-sustaining level long ago. In a few years, there will be far more pilgrimages to Neverland than there are to Graceland. The Jackson family will market Michael's memory like Elvis's family does his, and the record sales will continue. Unfortunately it doesn't matter how good MJ actually was.

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"To me Ted Bundy never came across as predatory, but then again I didn't personally know him "

Yeah, I knew I was setting myself up for that. It just seems like the criticisms of Jackson ran in a different direction than "clever and cunning abuser of people". (Except as presumptive explanations for the molestation charges.) But who can say what he was really like?

MJ was no different than the early Beatles. In 1964 thru early 65 the Beatles were the most famous people on the planet....and their music SUCKED. I mean it was teeny bopper garbage. Not until they released Rubber Soul in later 65 did they actually start producing real music. If you go to any classic rock station you NEVER hear any of the Beatles early stuff.

Fact is Michael Jackson the entertainer hasn't produced anything of substance for a very long time and honestly his big legendary hits are basically garbage. Besides the collaborated effort of We are the World, Jacksons music was nothing more than commercialized garbage wrapped around a great choreographer and dancer. The idea that his music will be revered for generations is highly unlikely just at most of Elvis' music is pretty much forgotten or rather ignored.

I can pick individual groups like Three Dog Night, The Band, Traffic etc.. who produced significantly more intricate and well thought of music without even having to resort to the real power groups of the 70s and 80s like Boston, Van Halen, Led Zep, The Who etc.. Even Abba and the Bee Gees produced better overall music.

The idea that Neverland will become some sort of tourist attraction is a stretch. To somehow believe that all of the players involved will actually agree to do something of that nature is laughable. The scum that surrounded MJ will all be fighting for a piece of the pie and that pie will never make it to the oven. Don't forget, Pricilla Presley was the ONLY player involved with Elvis' estate. She had the ability to do what she wanted and she has tastefully done the King justice. Do you really expect that with the scum who surrounded Michael to include many of his family his legacy will be immortalized like Presley? No way.

I wont get into any of the other weird stuff. My opinion is based on his body of musical work and I am sorry but his music lacked any real substance.

In the end, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and the Beatles will eventually repass MJ as their music is timeless.




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There's of course a lot of buzz on the internet about the Neverland estate. A quick search brought up a recent article from People Magazine:

Since Jackson's death, the holding company that bought the 2,500-acre estate last year out of foreclosure for $23.5 million hasn't officially announced what it's going to do with Neverland, save for watering the plants, repairing the buildings and keeping the gawkers at bay.

"We are still doing renovations and rehabilitation to the property and I think it has a ways to go," says a source at the holding company, Colony Capital LLC. "As far as I know, absolutely no decisions have been made about the property and there is no urgency to make any decisions. Right now we are trying to return the place to its original luster."

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"Even when Michael was alive, the primary goal was to figure out a way in which the property's value could be maximized by building his legacy," says the source. "Whether that meant turning Neverland into a theme park, or a place to visit, I'm not really sure, but I do know they were trying to figure out how best to make this property into a money-making venture."

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20290544,00.html

The family and the holding company will likely cooperate, in the end, to turn the place into a cash cow.

SF2 - Completely disagree that early Beatles stuff was garbage. It was basic rock'n'roll, and very well done. "She Loves You" contained complex chord progressions and harmonies never before heard in driving rock. Yes, the Beatles music became much more complex later on, so complex that it couldn't be performed publicly. That is NOT, in my opinion, how you measure the staying power of music. They'll still be playing "She Loves You" 50 years from now.

On the other hand, I agree with everything else. MJ was a showman, and his popularity was mainly due to visual appeal, and it came along at a time when visual phenomenon could be transmitted easily and quickly internationally.

He even swiped the idea of the "single glove" from Thomas Harvey "Sean" Bonniwell who was the lead singer of The Music Machine ("Talk Talk," 1966) who wore a single black glove.

Not to mention the ever present lyric "zham on" (i.e."Come on" -- swiped from Jackie Wilson), and of course the essence of his dancing (from James Brown).

"....hell of a dancer, hell of a choreographer. But the dude was not a musician, and he wasn't all that original. He was heavily influenced by James Brown...most especially his dancing."


No way. You must not remember--when Jackson choreographed his concerts/videos--the professional dancers that he employed couldn't keep up with him. Many dancers got frustrated and walked off his video sets. That to me speaks volumes about how talented this guy was. The moonwalk is THE MOST "hallowed" dance in pop music. His music was weak--but you can't argue the sales volume. You just can't. Keep in mind, Swamp--I'm glad he's dead. He wasn't adding anything good to the planet lately--and really--the stench that surrounded Jackson? Yeah, I'm glad he's gone--just like any other sensible parent with a 3-year old son. GLAD.

BTW--SF--HALLE-DAMNED-LUJAH!!!!! I'm glad somebody said that the GD Beatles sucked. Thank God. I agree with the rest of the stuff too. Very good post. Solid.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

I have always been skeptical of the molestation charges (even if I did enjoy telling a few MJ jokes or two in the process)

Here is some food for thought...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7129260/

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

"I have always been skeptical of the molestation charges (even if I did enjoy telling a few MJ jokes or two in the process)"


1. Sleeping with children when you're 46 is a bad, bad thing
2. Dangling children in your care off balconies in Europe is a very bad, bad thing

Those two points are why we should not like Michael Jackson. Regardless of whether he molested or not.

"The moonwalk is THE MOST 'hallowed' dance in pop music."

And that has to be one of the most irritating things about Jackson's excessive celebrity. Mime artists had performed that type of move for ages. Various dancers incorporated it into their routines. Then Mr. Thriller tried it out, and it was treated like a freakin' revelation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonwalk_%28dance%29

Even Michael Jackson himself had used similar footwork previously. It was a simple extension of some of his other moves. Check out this 1977 video at around the 0:35 and 2:00 marks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NENqnR9UAM

By the way, I despise Disco, but can't help but be impressed with his dancing in that number.

"By the way, I despise Disco, but can't help but be impressed with his dancing in that number."


Yo Psycho--would you attend this event?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night


LMMFAO!!!!!





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Thanks for the link, Falc. This is the first time I read about the details. Back in '79, when I was in High School, I loved hearing about the anti-Disco rally being planned at Comisky Park. It was often mentioned during baseball broadcasts on a humorous side note, but that was in the weeks leading up to the event.

Then the rally turned into a riot, and all the professional moralizers went berserk. Oh dear, oh dear, we can't have sports fans rioting in America! It did seem to be a troublesome development, but HA HA HA, is was also fantastic to hear about people not liking Disco. Maybe the entertainment industry would finally get the message -- Disco wasn't for everyone! It still gives me a good laugh.

Reading the Wikipedia article, I think watching the riot on TV was probably better than being there.

Edit: I forgot to mention... Congrats on your new addition, Falc! Just don't teach the little guy how to Disco.

"It did seem to be a troublesome development, but HA HA HA, is was also fantastic to hear about people not liking Disco."


I slightly remember disco. I was about 7 or 8--and thought I was John F*cking Travolta wearing those white suits with the huge collars. LMAO. But I grew up in the middle of a GD Soybean Field. For others who were TRULY going through those times in Middle America--it certainly wasn't for them. That scene was for places like New York, Chicago, Detroit, and possibly places like LA, and San Francisco. Huge drug scene. No wonder why the fad dropped like the Enola Gay's payload! No wonder why MidWesterners were pissed about this kind of music scene. It wasn't for them at all. Boston and Kansas were more of their musical tastes at the time. Maybe that's why a band like Van Halen took off?

BTW--Psycho--thanks for the props, man. I can't wait until the new one hatches. It's going to be frucking great--minus the not getting any sleep again. BTW--all--it's another boy!!!!!!

Just awesome.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence