http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529788,00.html

Those p*ssy liberals...its obviously a front, they just really want to hug them...

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

....that we are finally going after 9-11 terrorists and those that partner with them, instead of the bogeyman.

Hopefully, with U.S. and Afghan forces on the offensive and Pakistan stopping the Taliban from fleeing into their country from the rear the Taliban will soon find themselves trapped and surrounded. Perhaps at that time they'll start using artillery and close air support.

By the way bronco, it's good to see you using FOXNews as a reference that doesn't get filtered through George Soros. Maybe there's hope for ya'.

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JB,

I find that when FoxNews has a brainfart and actually plays "real reporter dress up", my political opponents seem to respond better to their "reporting" than to other cites.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

I guess that's just the natural result of getting the truth.

I hear they captured one of our guys, it just kills me to think what he is going through. Then it kills me to see the attention is on waterboarding...sigh

I hope they find this guy, but then again, there is something strange about the story.
They said he just walked away from the camp with some people.
Now he is missing?

If he is a POW...then you start blowing entire villages up untill they turn him over.
If he is being TORTURED, and the evidence is there, the media better not shield it.

Yes, Bronco Mickey gets a gold star for the day, for pushing the cave dwelling cowards back a bit.
Now, why is he such a coward in the N.Korea issue and the Iranian issue?
He failed the Iranian people who wanted our help.
He is sitting on his hands on the South American front also.

For all of this DIPLOMACY and REACHING OUT, he talks about, seems to me, he is p!ssing more people off, than bringing the world together....

The man is a fraud, and his shadows behind him, are even worst.

"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

Right Murf, we should just invade every country that has a problem. That makes economic and diplomatic sense...LOL

Does anyone on here still take murf seriously after all his insane ramblings?

"I think I will try to stick to conversations that don't involve politics." - murf, April 17 2009

Who said anything about invading anyone?

The Iranian people wanted change, and they got d!cked over by some religious nut job.
They started a massive protest and had intentions on over throwing the illegal gov't.
The guy they, wanted was asking for some backing from other nations, mainly the United States.
Obama did nothing to secure that chance with the people. So now they feel that all of the talk is just that...talk and we lost a chance to turn things around in that region.

Same thing in south America...now you have Chavez running things down there.

You can call it ramblings, or whatever...the facts are there.
The man failed in round 1.

"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

In case you havent noticed, Chavez has been running things down in South America for several years.

Also, I'm pretty sure Iran would look at us backing the reform movement publicly and financially as a declaration of war of sorts. Not too bright there, Murf. I know you think we can get involved in every conflict, but its really not a good idea.

Obama gets a B to B+ from me for his first 6 months.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

The guy pleaded with the United States for backing...nobody said anything about troops or anyting of that sort.
You know as well as I do, if the United States wanted to stay behind the scenes and back this guy and his protesters, we could have done that and helped them toss out the nut jobs in charge.
It has been done many times before.

A grade for Obama?
D!

The ammount of programs and gov't control in the first 6 months, is crazy and dangerous.
The liberals sucked on Powell's nuts when he second guessed Bush, yet, I don't see his cooments about Obama being such a big deal.
Wonder why? lol.



"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

Almost anyone in their right mind realizes that we handled the Iranian situation correctly. If the US moans and groans about a recount, the council oversees a 'recount' then still names Ahmadinejad president and then we're potentially fighting ANOTHER unnecessary war.

Do you guys understand the dirty little world of the Federal Gov't?
Nobody expected Mickey Mouse, to scream for a recount. What he should have done, is make sure the uprising knew that we would back them behind the scenes.

Doing sh!t like that for year and years.
Just like south America...they are looking for us to help, behind the scenes...he condems them, and now turns complete power over to Chavez, who is in bed with the Muslims and the Russians, and could have the power to make our lives a living hell.

Yet, the dream world of the liberals, believe that hugs and kisses will win friendship.

God Help us, if anything pops off in the next four years.



"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

I agree that he handled Iran correctly. Murf is delusional. What is ironic is I started a thread about a major military operation in Afghanistan and named it "holding hands and singing Kuym-bah-ya" to mock Murf and he then posts in that thread that Obama is too nice and the liberal agenda is backfiring...LOL

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Funny, you calim to be mocking me, yet, the exact thing of your title is true.
The man is failing as a world millitary leader.
3 times in 6 months, he has had the chance to change the landscape of troubled nations and he sits back and does nothing.

Why not back the uprisings?


"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

Instead of just spouting off jingoistic nonsense murf, why don't you explain exactly what you would have done to "back the uprisings" and how you would have then moved forward in terms of foreign policy. Would you have threatened Iran with invasion? What would be the basis for your decision? Reported election irregularities which we are unable to confirm? The reason why you're so ridiculed is because you constantly shoot from the hip based on minimal information, and give no consideration to the future consequences of proposed action.

"I think I will try to stick to conversations that don't involve politics." - murf, April 17 2009

Yep, and I heard you guys really giving Bush the same criticism about similar issues...

The difference between us Murf is that the posters on the left on MBS (not all), have been screaming to get out of Iraq for several years, and have been screaming to finish the job in Afghanistan.

For some reason, you have been unable to grasp the obvious that we have been unable to fight wars on several fronts and you want to cause trouble in every country that calls us names or does something you dont like. The ironic thing is that you are one of those people who bitch about government spending and wasting your tax dollars when the single biggest expense the last 8 years has been on war and defense. This hypocrisy makes my head spin...

No, you don't have to invade or threaten anything.
We are a nation built on backing the uprising from behind the scenes.
Obama, could have given the politcal leaders behind the uprising, the backing they needed to push forward.
The public did not have to know about it, but if the Iranian people understood that the United States would be behind them, the uprising might have turned into a new regime in that country, that would be willing to work with the United States in the future.

Now, you have other issues. A p!ssed off nation. A p!ssed of gov't and we get the blame.
Just like the "pull out of Iraq" chants...talk about not understanding the long term affects.

South America--same deal.

"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

First off, how do you know we are not assisting them behind the cities? Or do you expect them to publicize that? Sheesh...

Second, a majority of the US is happy with what we are doing in Afghanistan (finally) and pulling out of Iraq. You fail to understand the obvious, we were never against war in Afghanistan, we wanted to go in there, kick azz, find Bin Laden and teach the world a lesson about attacking us on our own soil.

Instead, we let Bin Laden escape, we let the Taliban take over Afghanistan again and we started a 6 year war in a country that never attacked us...brilliant!

Actually we didn't let Bin Laden escape. According to the Christian Science Monitor Bin Laden bribed his way out of Tora Bora with huge sums of money he divided up among certain tribal warlords and members of the Northern Alliance. However, we do bear some of this responsibilty because the decision to let the Afghans do the brunt of the fighting at Tora Bora instead of the US Army going it alone was made based on the recommendation of a US Army Colonel.

Unless we commit large numbers of men to invade the western part of Pakistan, we are not about to take care of anything in Afghanistan.

Its the exact same problem we had in Vietnam. We let the bad guys operate for extended periods of time in relative safety in Cambodia and Laos due to political concerns. 30 years later nothing has changed.

Sorry but unless Pakistan gives us the green light (highly unlikely) Obama is pretty much handcuffed. Unless he is willing to send the men in and accept the wrath of the entire world for doing so, Al-Queda is fairly safe in the border regions. Not a good scenario for Obama no matter how you slice it.



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I agree with you SF2. Pakistan is key to this engagement. We have to make them understand that the aid will be cut off if they dont allow us freedom in that region to do what we want.

The problem is the fundamentalists control a huge voice and they do not want us in or around that region bombing caves and trying to win the war. Its difficult terrain - Russia spent decades there and couldnt win outright (of course they didnt exactly woo the local tribal leaders, but that discussion is for another day).

It is my understanding (and SF2 can chime in here if I am wrong), but we already have operations going on in Pakistan and that region. Its mostly predator striks and classified units of Seals, Special-Ops and Rangers doing some dirty work that no one is reporting on, but its still going on...

I agree with you SF2. Pakistan is key to this engagement. We have to make them understand that the aid will be cut off if they dont allow us freedom in that region to do what we want.

The problem is the fundamentalists control a huge voice and they do not want us in or around that region bombing caves and trying to win the war. Its difficult terrain - Russia spent decades there and couldnt win outright (of course they didnt exactly woo the local tribal leaders, but that discussion is for another day).

It is my understanding (and SF2 can chime in here if I am wrong), but we already have operations going on in Pakistan and that region. Its mostly predator striks and classified units of Seals, Special-Ops and Rangers doing some dirty work that no one is reporting on, but its still going on...

The fact that Pakistan has nukes forces us to tread very lightly in this area. There is no way we can ever let fundamentalists in Paki get the nukes because I have to think India would have no choice (in their minds) but to attack.

We do have operations going on but don't ever confuse what the SF and Seal guys do to ground combat operations. The SF guys rarely ever get involved in firefights by design. They do alot of long range recon behind enemy lines and can tag a target for the predators but they are counter insurgents not true ground forces. SF units are very small and lightly armed.

Rangers don't do any of this stuff, they are fighters and I doubt they are operating in Pakistan.

The Taliban and Al-Queda types have adjusted their tactics and are getting very good at not being seen by our preditors or can get to cover quickly. Also, they have changed their overall objective and now seem to be trying to destabilize Pakistan We we can't really get involved in this unless invited (Which will not happen unless they have to throw a hail Mary.)

Again, Obama is in a bad situation and the Russians will tell him there is only one solution: Leave. Its not a great option.

How do I know we are not backing them?
I don't know, maybe b/c they were sending out comments, upset with the U.S. for not helping them!



Anyway, I agree SF2, and have been trying to explain that for some time on this board.



"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

I agree with SF2 on this issue, but it doesnt mean I agree with you. You seem to think that the US announces to the world who we fund and give assistance to publicly. I think that is ignorant and stupid.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

I did not say announce anything.
I said back the people who favor you...he sided with the gov't in power in all 3 cases.
That is not backing them, that is being a coward.


"Despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."

"I said back the people who favor you...he sided with the gov't in power in all 3 cases."

Exactly, how did he back the government in power?

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."