http://blogs.forbes.com/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/


Another attempt from the liberal whack jobs to disarm the law abiding Americans.
Great timing, considering that the muslims just talked about muslims going on a shooting spree at shopping malls and schools.
Hell, I fully understand why the government would want us to be defenseless, it is politically incorrect to defend yourself.

Embarassing

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Bronco said there was nothing to worry about.

Call me when it passes the Senate....like it ever will...(YAWN)

Keep getting scared about nothing, Murf. LOL

Rush Limbaugh and Willie Cunningham depend on you not to think.



"Insert witty quotation here"

I grew up in a hunting family and own a few guns myself in a very liberal state. The amount of "they're going to take my guns away" panic from conservatives is incredible. I grew up in West Virginia trust me I've seen it my whole life.

I am a gun owner in a liberal state, NJ, and licesened to hunt in multiple states (PA, NY, and NJ.) I live in an urban area with two rifles and a pistol in a 93 percent Hispanic community locked in a safe. The is nothing the government can do about it. The thought of people taking my guns is as ridiculous as Sarah Palin's turning Paul Revere's story into a called armed resistance against the government.

It is depressing watching the Jets have success.

Murf is touching himself.

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It's an opinion piece. And it's in FORBES! What the hell would you expect.

Bronco, how can you be so sure. If a law was introduced today to ban all firearms and a mandatory forfeiture of current guns, it would today get at least 30% of the vote. The Supreme Court? Sure it would probably fail, 5-4, barely.

Your naivety must be bliss sometimes.

I bet if the current tax code was introduced 100 years ago, some shmuck would say, it would never pass, yawn.

Homey, your naivete is pretty astounding itself.

A law banning gun ownership and demanding the forfeiture of everyone's guns would only be defeated by the Supreme Court 5-4?

It wouldn't even go to the Supremes. It would be defeated by every court in the country! If it did need to go go to them, if say some knucklehead county was trying to hold out and enforce the law, it would be 9-0 defeated. It's prima facie, unconstitutional.

And that's what makes you naive. You think every liberal would support such a law, when in fact almost none would.

If you really think every "liberal" -- which in your mind means everyone who voted for Obama -- wants to make guns completely illegal, you've been listening to the propaganda for too long and not talking to real people with different points of view about the issues that matter to them.

"it would be 9-0 defeated."

Now who is being naive.

What you fail to understand is, the constitution means nothing, nada, zip. It is only as good as the people interpreting it. Kagan..lord have mercy.

I did not know that Rush and Cunningham co-authors...
I know, the liberals dream world turned into a bad pron movie and accepting the failure is against the code of the cult, so you must try and twist the REAL facts.



You think every liberal would support such a law, when in fact almost none would.


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But your cult leaders, are trying to back door this sh!t b/c they know they would have a fight on their hands.
They have failed many times, but now Hillary is trying to ink a treaty with the United Nations to ban guns in America!!!!!

Even if this is a million to one long shot...as an American you should be screaming at the top of lungs that our government officials would actually think that this was a good idea.

Liberals went from bleeding heart sympathy tickets, to just lost your fuching mind cult members.

Muslim leaders are on audio recordings, talking about a mass shooting across America and at the same exact time, we have a very high ranking government official wanting to disarm Americans...

Amazing how the progressive mind is filled with negative thoughts...




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Today, there are two kinds of liberals, 1) the ones who hate this country and 2) the mindless foot soldiers who follow them believing that they are out for their best interest.

You two are by far the biggest idiots in the world. End of debate, wow!! The dumbing down of America continues I bet you two pea brains, yes murf and homoey you two, were picked on quite a bit when you were little and perhaps still are. How else could you explain such stupid behavior? You guys act like its all some tough guy competition. Get over it losers!

I understand they have this Disney dream world all tightly wrapped in their head, but at some point you have to function in the real world.

The hypocrisy is fun to point out, but at the same time, they are a dangerous bunch of whack jobs.
To keep fighting against gun ownership, freedom of speech and Capitalism is 100% azz backwards.
I believe anyone who votes for an official that supports any of these measures should be drug tested before casting a vote.


(of course I heard that on Rush and Willie while recording Hannity and Beck, according the progressives who hate it when common sense has to join the conversation)



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Murf, do us working, taxpaying Americans a favor and SHUT THE H3LL UP!!!! NOBODY GIVES A D*MN WHAT YOU THINK CAUSE I SURE KNOW I DON'T. This is a board to talk about and bash your hero, Mike Brown. This is NOT a political board. If you have any respect for the others on this board(which i doubt), you will take your views and post them on your blog where your one or two fans will interested. Oh and before you start with that lil "if you don't like it, don't read it" sh*t, you can take that and shove it up your azz too. You're not the "voice of America" as you would like to believe.

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"Bronco, how can you be so sure. If a law was introduced today to ban all firearms and a mandatory forfeiture of current guns, it would today get at least 30% of the vote. The Supreme Court? Sure it would probably fail, 5-4, barely."

No it wouldnt.

That is moronic.

However, if a law was passed that limited what type of gun you could own (like no bazookas, grenades, Ak-47's), then i would agree.

No way the Supremes would vote for outright ban. No way.

"Insert witty quotation here"

I care what he thinks. I think his political posts are absolutely hilarious. Even if I do spend a good 10 minutes re-reading them trying to figure out his thought process. Keep doing what you do baby! I am afraid though he may be one more Obama term away from a shooting spree.


Off topic but this is political. Awesome map from 21 years ago (the Reagan glory-days)

"To keep fighting against gun ownership, freedom of speech and Capitalism is 100% azz backwards."

No, its not.

I am a gun owner, but I dont want my neighbors owning a bazooka or an Ak-47. I just dont. Call me weird. Call me what you want. I have no problem with you owning a handgun, a hunting rifle or even a shotgun.

No one is arguing against Freedom of Speech. Show me one example. You are free to speak your mind all you want.

Our nation is a mix of capitalism and socialism (for lack of a better term). You are free to make your millions, but we all contribute some for common needs and to help with the downtrodden in society.



"Insert witty quotation here"

Bronco you are talking out your azz on this one.

The only people that are ever harmed when the liberals rape the constitution, are the law abiding citizens

The enemy is talking about creating a massive shooting spree...what are you supposed to do if faced with this act?
Call the cops and have them cited for carrying an illegal fire arm?

you are smarter than this.





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Even when he doesn't wannabe:

"I am a gun owner, but I dont want my neighbors owning a bazooka or an Ak-47. I just dont. Call me weird. Call me what you want. I have no problem with you owning a handgun, a hunting rifle or even a shotgun."


Read between the lines here--and you have the mind of a perfect liberal (criminal of the Constitution).

Bronco, you shouldn't live anywhere West of the Rockies. I KNOW people that own both--or the equivalacy of a Bazooka/AK--and boy are they absolutely a BLAST to shoot (pun intended).

The AK-47 is awesome, even though I prefer the AR-15--probably because I know it better.

By far, the best gun I've ever shot by far (IMO) is the Benelli 12-guage auto-load or S&W .357. They both rule. I love Colt 1911's as well.

Before I make it a novel, why SHOULDN'T you be allowed to own a Bazooka or AK, Bronco? If you have no criminal record and prove that you can pass some sort of mental testing--then why shouldn't you be able to own.

Once you start blaming one gun for violence, then you can blame them all. Hell, I say that if you can afford it, you should be allowed to own an Abrams--if you pass a rigorous exam.

Bronco is the perfect liberal. He tries to hide it--but just can't. Even when he tries hard not to.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Yeah, lots of liberals own a Glock 23 and a Marlin 30/30.

Hilarious, dude.

The main reason is that if you own a handgun, shotgun or ridle and decided to go fukking nuts, I can still take you down. The last thing I need is some crazy douchebag whose wife left him after he ate too many cheetos and decides to bazooka my house.

Come over an do it like a man, chubbs. Dont take the easy way out and launch a grenade into my window.

Douche.



"Insert witty quotation here"

You are right, I read about people taking revenge on people by using a bazooka almost every day.
I believe Walmart is having a sale on RPG's this week and Target World is a having a buy one get one free on m16's with a grenade launcher.

Give me a break!

This is the liberal mind set in a nut shell.

Criminals don't care what the laws are.
Yes, there is a one in a million chance that somebody whigs out and does something stupid, but creating a law will never prevent that from happening, it will only make things that much more dangerous b/c normal people (the majority of society) will not have the weapons to protect themselves.
If you believe for 1 second that a liberal would leave a common sense law alone without trying to attach every single rider that they can think of on that bill, then you don't pay attention to how these weasels operate.

Without the Second Amendment, the rest is the useless.

I am all for very strong jail terms for using a fire arm in the process of a crime, but never will agree with a gun law that strips the law abiding citizens of their right to bear arms and protect themselves and their families.

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It used to be that some of the radical minority agitators humiliated themselves and their cause by over-reaching on their rhetoric into victimhood. But that standard has been totally taken over by phony and idiotic right wingers.

No one is about to take away firearm ownership rights. It's a complete non issue. But the victim wannabes actually want to wallow in that kind of pity party.

It reminds me of the evengelical phonies who whine about their persecution. The reality is that they have free reign to manipulate the same uneducated masses that flock to the Tea Baggers. And that's no surprise. The Tea Baggers convince math ignorant dolts in the Murf mold that they're paying 30 or 40% of their income on federal taxes, when in truth it's probably closer to 6 or 7% in the Murf model.

But facts don't matter. Proclaim victimhood. Lie about threats at any turn, and exaggerate them at all others.

There's something about victimhood that gives the morons an adrenaline rush.

"Come over an do it like a man, chubbs. Dont take the easy way out and launch a grenade into my window.

Douche."


No way. Do you know what a grenade would cost me? To me--You are a worthless piece of dirt and NOT WORTH the criminal record/grenade's cost.

I'll pass--but call me when the revolution starts. Bronco, when the political war finally begins, you will be on the losing side, sir--guaranteed, since you guys refused to defend your 2nd amendment.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Once again your arrogance combined with your ignorance is very amusing.

Victim hood?
LMAO...that is the liberal war cry for everything!!!!!

Liberals will never stop trying to dis-arm the law abiding citizens of this great nation.
They know they can't win an all out ban, but they will never stop trying to make it harder and harder for law abiding tax paying citizens to protect themselves or enjoy a good day of shooting.






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Troop, are you sure about the 6-7%, after all, FICA alone is about 5%. If you are self employed, you can more than double that.

Murf, quit making sh!t up.

I am 100% for the possession and ownership of handguns, rifles and shotguns.

Anything heavier needs to be in the hands of the military and the military only.
If anyone gets caught with those arms, they should be thrown in prison for 10 years. I agree with that.

"Insert witty quotation here"

Homey, yes I'm sure. Social Security, and for that matter your withholding for medicare/medicaid, are insurance programs. They're mandated, which doesn't bother me although I can respect if not agree with those that argue agsinst stuch mandates.

But taxes in the conventional sense they are not. Any of us that live out a typical lifespan gets our not only our premium payments back, but interest on them to boot.

And yes, Murf, you are totally a victim wannabe. You really want to wallow in some pity fest that the government is out to get your guns. It's hysterical ignorance and a psychological fetish that right wingers have honed to a lifestyle.

You make Jesse Jackson look sane.

Hey did you guys hear the one about how the Republicans want to vote to default on our loans, making the economy most likely crash again, making our currency and savings almost worthless, and in the process further indebting and selling us out to the Chinese?

You know, it makes sense, because they don't like Obama. Oh yeah and because he single-handedly created the debt problem and all of the Republicans came into power after that. In fact I'm pretty sure their party was established in 2009 as a response to a black liberal getting elected.

Pretty hilarious stuff huh? We could be the new Greece if we dream high enough! Except the only people around to give us a bailout would be the Chinese. How wonderful! I hear they are lovely people.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

Its all tax Troop. Just because the government will pie off a social service and charge seperately for it, it still makes it a tax. Mandated buy in is the new word for tax. So if Obama cuts tax say around 15% then forces everyone to buy into military protection, does that mean taxes were reduced?

Companies do this as well. I joined a gym for $25 a month with a qarterly charge for maintenance. Well, you would think mainenance would be covered under membership fees. So what is the real cost? They dissect the total charges to make it more palatable for the consumer/tax payer.

Just a pet peeve of mine.

The Second Amendment does not say the word "except" in there.

I agree that most people don't need rocket launchers or crazy sh!t like that, but the major point that you fail to understand is that you simply can't allow the government to sniff any part of that legislation.
The Government can't be trusted b/c we have way too many idiots in government who can't leave sh!t alone.
A simple and common sense law will turn into an avenue for some whack job anti-gun nut to do whatever they want and before you can say stop, they have already erased your right to carry anything but a revolver.

Yes, the majority of the liberals want gun restrictions.

Tax:
People like Trooper are the reason we have the problems of today.
Minions that follow along like baby ducks, have no idea what direction they are going or why, just follow along.
They see their pay check and believe that is the only tax on the books.

The Government needs to stop spending!
Bottom line.

Liberals have destroyed this country and it will take a massive sweep of Congress and the White House to get it back in order.

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The military analagy doesn't equate with social security Homey. The military provides a service to the citizens, which they pay for with taxes.

Social security is an insurance policy. Again, I philosophically understand the debate about the mandate to obligate us into participation. But live your expected life, and you're going to get back every dime you put in, and some.

Those recipients of social security and medicare are getting defacto distributions on their investments.

I come out mildly for it and understand that you're against it. But I'm betting the reaction from the overwhelming percent of our country will be extremely hostile to ending these programs....that's been the case so far.

The math challenged dolts that pay about 6% (or less) of their gross income on federal taxes and let the Fox News Tea Bagging Network convince them that they're paying 20 30 or 40% are comical in one sense. But I have to admit that these puppets do make for a powerful voting block.

Federal tax....then add in your state, county, and local, then add in your welfare and social security.
then go purchase something and get nailed for sales tax.
If you invest in your retirement then need some money out of it, taxed and penalties.
If you die and try to leave your family some money, taxed.

I am not against paying my fair share of taxes, that is how the country operates...my problem is that you have politicians that scream for more taxes instead of correcting the massive issues.

Stop sending money to Muslim countries that vote 90% of the time against us would be a good start

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Once again your arrogance combined with your ignorance is very amusing.-Murf



Murf, the only person on this board who has any arrogance or ignorance is YOU. As a matter of fact, you contain both of those at large quantities.

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Don't you have some type of parade to float around at?


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"If you die and try to leave your family some money, taxed"

Another laughable right-wing lie intended to scare the bejeezus out of the Murfs of the world. And, big surprise, it worked again.

Please Murf, tell me again how you became a multi-millionaire subject to the estate tax by working at a Westside bar? I know they drink heavily over there, but if its really that lucrative maybe I should open up two or three.

Lmao.

So none of the righties on board are interested in defending their parties threat to make America insolvent and sell us out to the Chinese? No one? Murf? Homey?

I guess its easier to stick with the lies and propaganda and just tell everyone that the "liberals hate America" and want to take away Americans guns and freedom. Boy, you really nailed the liberal mindset once again, lol.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

"If you die and try to leave your family some money, taxed"

Another laughable right-wing lie intended to scare the bejeezus out of the Murfs of the world.

Its a lie? What? tell me more, please. Maybe it doesn't effect a lot of people, but still...

I know, we all should start thinking like a liberal and follow the cult.

Who cares about the Constitution, that was written a long time ago by some crazy white guys.
There is no reason to own a gun.
you should be more sensitive to the criminals and understand that they are already facing trying times and they dont' need that added worry about who is carrying and who is not.










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"Who cares about the Constitution, that was written a long time ago by some crazy white guys.
There is no reason to own a gun."~Murf

And that exactly sums up the point once again about what a phony victim wannabe you truly are, Murf. You're lamenting about a complete non-issue. The sane politicians like Bill Clinton didn't, and Barack Obama doesn't, champion any legislative agenda to take away your rights or my rights to own a sporting or self defense pistol, shotgun or rifle.

But you want to feel persecuted. You're thirsting to feel persecuted. Thart's why you and your ilk remind of the televangelists. That "the government is out to get me" is fodder for the puppets who fill up the ranks of evengelical zealots and Tea Bagging morons.

You're like the zanies who held up posters stating: "Keep government out of my medicare."

Totally ignorant,totally crazy and totally tormented by delusions of being victims.

Here comes the "Guilty White Guy" meme...

This is boring.

Wanna be SERIOUSLY bored? Read Murf's blog.

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

I noticed you placed the typical liberal twist in your silly little response.

Why on earth would you ever trust a politician?
Then to give them an avenue to back door your rights?

Sorry, but i view the Government as it is...out of control and the very second you give them an ounce of anything, they start tinkering with that sh!t and the next thing you know, you have lost more rights.

Take the OVI Check points....
According to people like you, they are nothing more than a check point to get drunks off the street.
So now, you have Another Check Point.....Seat Belt Check points?

You see, these control freaks can't be trusted and I will never in my life agree to give up my RIGHT to protect myself and my family.

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Murf, you don't have the balls to own a gun, much less shoot one. I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't even know how to pull the trigger. So I would suggest for you to stop flattering yourself, sit down, and shut up. Like I said, take this stuff to your worthless blog. You might not have noticed this yet, but their are sports sites like GoBengals.com, SteelerNation and other sites like these that have a section JUST for political rambling and ranting. IF this site wanted to have political discussion, the mods here would have made a section for that, I am quite sure. Makes sense?

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LOL!

Stop reading it...



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"If you die and try to leave your family some money, taxed"

FYI, life insurance policies are not taxed.

Also, anyone with half a brain knows to create a family trust so taxes are'nt as big an issue.

Lastly, I hate to say it, BUT...if you do receive some money from a parent or loved one, you are a DIFFERENT person receiving INCOME. Therefore, it should be taxed. I agree the Death tax should be lowered significantly, but it needs to be taxed (of your loved one was too ignorant to do a LIP or Trust).




"Insert witty quotation here"

LOL!

Stop reading it...-Murf




LMAO.....you are such an azzhole. Your brain doesn't spin even 10% apparently, otherwise you'd get where I was getting at with this. Take your political sh*t to your d^mn blog and keep it there. This is a sport message board, not a political board.

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I don't like the Death Tax..
Government needs to be smaller and forced to work inside of a real budget.
The more money you give them, the more they waste.

I am all for paying a fair share of taxes, but things are out of control.
Everything you do anymore has a hidden tax on it...they might call it a fee for a license, but the bottom line it is just a tax.


As for you flamer boy...
Most normal people understand how society works, but unfortunately we have people like you that refuse to get it.
If you don't like something, then don't get involved in that conversation.
Pretty simple...not real difficult for most.


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As for you flamer boy...
Most normal people understand how society works, but unfortunately we have people like you that refuse to get it.
If you don't like something, then don't get involved in that conversation.
Pretty simple...not real difficult for most.-Murf


Take your political beliefs and stick them right up your azz.

I doubt you even understand how the estate tax works Murf.

The fact you call it s "death tax" just shows that you have likely only heard about it through right-wing radio or television, or via some other right-wing propaganda hub.

Please tell us how it is a "death tax"? Is the government taxing people for the act of dieing? Seriously, please expound on how it is a tax on death, cuz that is complete right-wing propaganda horse manure.

It might make a great sound byte. It might make the estate tax sound way worse than it is. Unfortunately, there is not a shred of truth to calling a "death tax."

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

You are right, I don't know anything about it.

I better turn on Fox news...


The problem with your dream world is that at some point, you run out of other peoples money.


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I never run out of Other People's Money. That's pretty much the whole game right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se8jrJ24Oh8



Mikey is cleverer than you think.

And the problem with your dream world Murf is that it's based on the half-truths and deceptions of fear mongers whose real interest is making money for themselves.

Think about it for a second Murf. Of all the good causes in the world, you're on a Bungle message board angered by the injustice of a tax you have never and never will be subjected to.

In OH if you leave someone $500,000, the estate tax bill is $10,000.http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110528/BIZ/105290336/Kill-Ohio-death-tax-

So somebody is financially crippled now because they only got $490,000? Oh and by the way you can still get inheritance tax free via life insurance and establishment of tax-exempt trusts.

Should we all quit our jobs and go to DC to rally against this terrible injustice? I have to say that of all the horrible things happening all over the world, the estate tax isn't really the one that gets me all fired up. I think someone has been pulling your strings again Murf.




"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

Of course you fail to follow the entire conversation...typical of a liberal minion.

BTW--your figures are wrong but it is pointless to argue facts with a liberal.

It is all about all of the taxes combined and the refusal of the government to erase the waste in Congress.
I don't want my tax dollars, no matter if it is five dollars or a million, to go to a Muslim country, or Haiti or any other country when we are faced with massive debt issues.
I don't want my tax dollars to continue to feed failed programs like scattered housing.

It is not the amount of money I have to pay, it is the fact that they continue to abuse their power and never deal with any consequence of their stupidity and criminal behavior.
It has to stop.
Political correctness and saving planet are 2 of the biggest reasons why this country is failing with very little hope of restoring itself to the power it once was.
We simply can't afford the great society and take care of the rest of the world.





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All of Murf's posts eventually end up at a "simple" summation. Have you noticed?

We SIMPLY cannot afford....

It is SIMPLY not going to happen...

Yet he attacks issues which are far from simple.

Psychostats: Can we know the number of murf's posts which contain the word "simply"? Just sheer morbid curiosity. Oh, and some way to add SOMETHING interesting to this thread beyond the numb beating of the RW noise drum.

Apparently it's all simple. I must be making it harder than it really is by being a LIBERAL!

(And, when the constitution was written, there was ACTUALLY some chance that the Redcoats would some marching over the hill. Today? Not so much.)

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

Teabaggers are quite "simple" individuals, considering that their entire mantra can be summed up in three words (some of which they can't spell): Guns, Religion, Taxes

I use the word simply or simple b/c that is exactly what it is...very simple to understand.

Liberals want a dream world that will never work.

Take your 3 words.

Religion...liberals call the Christians crazy and try to do everything in their power to take away their rights to practice that religion in public...but a muslim can do whatever they want, b/c the liberals don't want to offend anyone.
Heaven forbid you offend a muslim...

Guns:
Liberals hate the fact that law abiding citizens have the right to defend themselves.
It just makes it harder on the criminal and we should be more sensitive to their needs and try to understand why they are criminals first.

Tax:
To many, and too much.
Stop sending money to Muslim countries would be a huge start.
Stop sending money to places like Haiti and stop feeding the failed great society programs that just generate failure.

What else you got?

Where should tax dollars go?
New Orleans or Pakistan?

to our old citizens or Egypt?

old people or some 23 year old dirty tramp working on here 3rd baby?


Real life trumps your Disney world fantasy.

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"Religion...liberals call the Christians crazy and try to do everything in their power to take away their rights to practice that religion in public...but a muslim can do whatever they want, b/c the liberals don't want to offend anyone.
Heaven forbid you offend a muslim..."

This is just moronic.

An American Muslim groups didnt try to put the 10 commandments (or their equal) in a courthouse in Alabama, a Christian group did.

A American Muslim group didnt' protest a dead soldiers funeral, a Baptist (Christian) group did that.

So when you say a Muslim group can do "WHATEVER THEY WANT", what are you referring to?

Specific examples, please.



"Insert witty quotation here"

Murf doesn't need examples Bronco.

He just "knows" what is the "truth." He doesn't even know how he knows or where he learned it, but it is definite, 100%, absolute "truth." OK!?!

It's the same way he knows that the stats I cited about the estate tax are wrong. Even though I provided a link, Murf saw right through my attempt to cite a well-known liberal rag -- The Cincinnati Enquirer. They are so liberal, they even endorsed Bush twice and McCain just to try to trick all the true conservatives into believing their lies. Only a liberal institution could be that twisted and manipulative, further proof of their liberal bias.

Notice too that he is able to "correct" me without citing anything at all. Again, that is because Murf is all knowing and everyone should just accept whatever he says as "truth." He is just telling it like it is after all, and if you don't like it you are just a stupid liberal who hates America, loves Muslims, hates Christians, loves political correctness, and hates the Constitution and especially people exercising their constitutional rights like speaking freely or owning a gun. In fact you are probably so stupid that you think black people can play quarterback! Ha!

Oh yeah and you also don't know jack about football. Only Murf knows anything about football. Football and politics, he is pretty much The Man. Just ask him.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

Just look around...

Christmas plays are called Winter Pageants
Christmas parties are called Winter Fest.
You had a school district around here that forbid any type of Christmas celebration but had prayer rooms set up for Muslims.
You had a young boy forced to remove a drawing that had the American flag on it with a small cross and the teacher made him take if off of his desk, b/c it might offend the muslim kids in the class.
NBC muted part of the Pledge over the past weekend at the start of the US Open.

We have allowed a muslim that has blamed America for the 9-11 coward attacks, build a shrine in New york to honor their greatest victory.

At some point you have to wake up and stop the insanity.
You can't have it both ways, where muslims get a free pass b/c the liberals want to portray them as victims, or you denounce all religions across the board.

As for the crazy bible thumpers such as that piece of sh!t preacher that degrades a soldiers funeral, I am shocked a family has not pounced on his head yet.
If that were a family member of mine, I would not mind doing 6 months for assault to damage his skull and everyone with him.

I don't think the majority of these issues are to cater to muslims, I think the liberal disease known as political correctness has created this insane thinking and you have too many pansies in this country that fail to grow a back bone and stand up for what they believe b/c they don't want to face a lawsuit or heaven forbid, be called on of the liberal names like a racist or a bigot.

We bend over and cater to a group of people that don't support us on the world level.
We send them billions of dollars every year and they still sh!t on us and protect the cowards.
We have a President that is breaking one of the most sacred codes in our history and he is allowing military leaders to negotiate with cowards....

Enough is enough.

Stop treating Christian people like they are nuts and Muslims like they are victims.


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Christian, Muslim, jew... pick your delusion.

Murf you are the ultimate Troll. I've never seem so much energy wasted on so little an intellect. Guys I have a teaspoon, wanna try to empty the ocean?


I know I simply don't understand.

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

No, you are just a simple minion living by the liberal code.

You don't understand, and how any American citizen can sit back and watch the insanity take place is beyond me.
Many are little things, but the little things add up and it only takes a few idiots in the local office to make a law.

It starts small and petty...like an OVI Check point to save the children...then it becomes a seat belt check point, but at the same time they are harassing law abiding American citizens, they are trying to make it illegal to check the papers of illegals.

At the same time they are telling a little boy who has a father in Iraq, that he can't keep his American flag picture on his desk, they are setting up prayer rooms for Muslims.

Seems to be a bit slanted against the AMERICANS in AMERICA.

Liberals cried when Congress just held hearings on Muslims in America, but they didn't cry when the Government went in and forced the Mormons to give up their children or said a word when they went after the Nazi idiots in Montana, or the Italians trying to break up the mob...

The point is...the hypocrisy is out of control

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"We have allowed a muslim that has blamed America for the 9-11 coward attacks, build a shrine in New york to honor their greatest victory."

1. Link to when he blamed America for 9-11?
2. Link to where the Islamic Center was dedicated to the 9-11 attacks?

Did you lie once or did you lie twice? Why do I ask? Of course you lied twice. You've so wrapped yourself in the phony persecution blanket that lying has become as natural as breathing for you and your ilk.

By the way, I know Obama didn't fly any phony "Mission Accomplished" banners like his imbecile he replaced, but Obama hardly "negotiated" with terrorists. He basically blew Osama's head off. And he's blasted the Al Queadda network in general with far more precision and volume in two years than the idiot Bush did in 7.

You're not a victim, Murf. You're merely a ranting moron.

I must be the off season since we are talking guns, taxes and Muslims.

Wanna jump start the economy? End payroll taxes period. If someone makes 100,000 then about 25,000 of it never makes it to their checking account, city or state. The money never gets spent at the local level. Instead it is sent directly to Washington and comes back at a significant discount.

Payroll taxes are stupid. Some form of National sales tax would be necessary.

We spend about 300 bil a year on foreign oil. That $300bil in US dollars that goes straight to other countries. If we produced more that money would stay in house.

We also tax profits generated overseas once a multinational company brings it back to the US. By doing this TRILLIONS (with a T) are sitting in overseas corporate checking accounts and the companies have no intention of bringing it back to the US unless they have a critical need for it.

All Medicare and Medicaid patients MUST have electronic medical records. With the proper system it would be easy to id fraud and theft. If you don't like it, don't use Medicare or Medicaid.

Christians and Guns should be outlawed. You can either be a Jew, Muslim or Wicken. All will be armed with crossbows cause nothing looks more painful than having an arrow stuck in your arse.



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January 6,1991: The last post season victory for the Bengals.

"You had a school district around here that forbid any type of Christmas celebration but had prayer rooms set up for Muslims."

Since this is the only example that might be illustrative of your point, where is the link?

"Insert witty quotation here"

My lord turn off MSNBC and look outside, the world is passing you by:

"I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States' policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."~~~~~Feisal Abdul Rauf (60 minutes interview)

You can deny what the building is all you want, most normal thinking people understand what it is and what why the obsession of the location.
Just b/c you disagree or your arrogance blocks any outside information, calling it a lie does not make the truth go away.


Next:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-07-25-muslim-special-treatment-from-schools_N.htm

The local story is more than 30days old and I am not paying for it...lol
I believe it was Lakota School district that set up a prayer room for muslims until parents found out about it.
It was about 2 or 3 months ago..could be wrong about school district.

The point is, it seems that we have more people fighting against anything that resembles Christianity, but look the other way if it has to do with Islam...

Be consistent in your principles, it is one way or the other and it HAS to be that bold.

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BTW--
If the Cordoba house (the greatest muslim shrine), ooops, I mean the "center" is not a mosque, then can you please explain to me why hundreds of muslims go there on friday to worship, and they stand outside washing their feet and faces and make the women use the side door..
Just curious how you explain that one.






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In your own Rauf quote, he leads off saying that Americans/America didn't deserve the attacks. But go to Wikepedia, and delve into more than a single soundbite, and he articulates a very throughtful case that our 1980s foreign policy of subsidizing, arming and training religious Muslim zealots like Osama bin Laden and the Taliban helped fertilize the Terror Network that Bush chose to ignore prior to 9-11 (Just can't resist the Bush jabs).

Since he's so thoughtful and so critical of terrorist Muslim activists, that's most likely why both our FBI and State Department contracted his services in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

So Murf: why are you disdaining an enemy of Muslim terrorists? Why are you insulting a key asset in the War on Terror?

Just joking. Everyone knows. You continue to be the simpleton that doesn't understand now, nor will you ever, what the adults are discussing around you.

And I noticed that you didn't even attempt to spin a defense of your other lie: that the center is some sort of shrine to a Muslim victory.

And what was the point of that final question about Muslims praying? Why don't you ask why is the sky blue on a sunny day? It's just as irrelevent.

New York is part of America. Religious freedom, including Muslim freedom, is part of America. If you hate America so much, why don't you leave?

nm

"An American Muslim groups didnt try to put the 10 commandments (or their equal) in a courthouse in Alabama, a Christian group did.

A American Muslim group didnt' protest a dead soldiers funeral, a Baptist (Christian) group did that.

So when you say a Muslim group can do "WHATEVER THEY WANT", what are you referring to? "

Bronco, you just proved the point. These examples were heavily opposed and restricted. Muslims may have gotten a free pass. You can not deny, Islam has been the most protected and championed religion of the left ever since that first plane slammed into the WTC.

What have they done? What are you referring to?

Edit - I read Murf's link. I agree with Murf. They should not be allowing organized prayer (Muslim or other wise) in public schools.

Now, can you allow a individual Muslim or a Christian kid to pray in school? Of course, that has never been the issue.

The issue was the school ACTUALLY organzing prayer. Seperation of church and state here, folks.

But that's the problem Bronco. Murf finds one or two examples that might indicate a pro-Muslim bias, even though the examples were in fact protested and then changed to the correct policy.

Then his sidekick Homey comes in to give us the conclusion we should draw:

"'A American Muslim group didnt' protest a dead soldiers funeral, a Baptist (Christian) group did that.

So when you say a Muslim group can do "WHATEVER THEY WANT", what are you referring to?'

Bronco, you just proved the point. These examples were heavily opposed and restricted. Muslims may have gotten a free pass."

So the conclusion is... Muslims would get a free pass for protesting dead soldiers' funerals, whereas Christians do not.

Bwahahahahahaahha. Ridiculous conclusion, unrelated to the examples given and completely without merit.

Just like how one person in congress might want to outlaw guns so we should be afraid because the Supreme Court would supposedly support such a law if it ever were to pass, which it won't.

Be afraid everyone! The liberal media and our liberal government are plotting with socialists and muslims to get you! (Cue the spooky sound effects)

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

You know, I just spent a few minutes responding to your disgusting comments, and to be honest, you are a waste of time.
You are so whacked out of your mind, that it is not even worth debating you.

On behalf of every Man/woman and child that was slaughtered on 9-11 and every soldier that has died or has come back from hell with life altering injuries and mental disorders and their families.....

You are an embarrassment and you should be ashamed to call yourself an American.








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CIN, two movies come to mind, Sum of all Fears and I think Angels and Demons. Both novels had a Muslim villain but the directors opted to replace them with the regular whipping boy, the white man. It is not just a few examples, time after time, the ashamed to be an American crowd has given the terrorists the benefit of the doubt while calling the soldiers murderers. Please just answer this, anybody, I have asked this question over and over on this board but nobody can answer. Why do you cry yourself to sleep at night because a terrorist was water boarded, but some guy gets his head cut off and you turn your head like nothing. You won't admit it, but your actions make it obvious whose side you are on.

I am going to have to resort to Bronco's name calling tactic, but you are an idiot if you think Kagan and that Mexican racist would ever do anything to support the 2nd amendment. Kagan opposed the military recruiters on her campus. People like Bronco and CIN would cite the DADT policy, not realizing it just a smoke screen. Same smoke screen that Muslim terrorist sympathizers say when they cite Isreal as the reason for their violence. Lets not kid our selves why she did not want them. Now with DADT gone, guess what, some of these colleges are still fighting the recruiters. LOl, gee, who saw that coming. It was never about DADT.

You want to know why this country is going in the crapper? Just look in the f***** mirror.

Who turns their head around when a terrorist cuts the head off an innocent victim?

I guess I qualify as a left of center individual, but no one (and I absolutely mean no one) that I associate with or politically follow apologizes for hunting and killing those terrorists. In fact, I hope Homey joins us in celebrating Obama's kill mission on Osama bin Laden, along with many, many other Al Quedda terrorists.

You're making an almost Murf-like jump into assumption and delusion, Homey. No one I know of cries over the 911 mastermind being waterboarded. But the analytical crowd, including plenty in the intelligence business, feel that waterboarding and other torture tactics have been non-productive. And torture tactics haven't served our interests in the PR battle being waged in the Muslim world for new recruits.

I have the utmost respect for our military as an institution. But I'm not going to be a Nazi-like robot and ignore it when transgressions occur, like at Abu Graib.

Low-level service men and women acted in a disgusting manner. That is a fact. It disgusts me still that no accountability was extended to who taught them such tactics. But these issues are separate and completely irrelevent to the outrage of Daniel Perl's beheading. These are not one side or the other issues.

In fact, it's downright patriotic to be outraged by both events.

Why aren't you celebrating that America is finally killing terrorists, instead of aiding in their recruitment?

Is that what you think you're doing Murf? lol...

Read the Roberts Rules even once and you'll (probably not, actually) understand that you are not debating. You are squeezing your eyes shut and wailing "Is not! I'm right!"

CinCStar nailed you. But you could never put together that correlation does not mean causation. Good luck little fella.

And for the record, while overseas during the Bush administration, I WAS ashamed to call myself American. But if you've never been out of Hamilton county I guess you wouldn't get that either.

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

There is a simple reason for their silence on the issue, the only evil in this world, is a white guy that is not a progressive liberal.


I am tired of the hypocrisy and the reluctance of the people on the left to even acknowledge the hypocrisy.

Give them facts and they can't breath without saying Bush or Fox news.

Very sad!



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"CIN, two movies come to mind, Sum of all Fears and I think Angels and Demons. Both novels had a Muslim villain but the directors opted to replace them with the regular whipping boy, the white man. It is not just a few examples, time after time, the ashamed to be an American crowd has given the terrorists the benefit of the doubt"

Homey I haven't seen either of these movies, but this is the private market making decisions about how best to sell their product.

When I see/hear of people that complain at restaurants about stupid crap just to get their food for free, I think that is ridiculous and that those people should not be rewarded for being whiny/scam artists.

But I don't think it is some world-wide conspiracy to oppress non-whiny people. I think it is just the private market catering to some whiny people because it is more profitable in the big picture than choosing to fight that battle.

I agree that it is stupid. But short of a government intervention, which I am sure you would oppose, what is to be done about it and how does this relate to what we were talking about?


"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. I said Murf's link had some points, but its HARDLY indicative of some whacked conmspiracy theories.

Take a trip to the Midwest, the south or even Texas and you will see Christian groups getting a free pass on EVERYTHING. Hell, my brother lives down there. They do what they want, when they want and how they want. The idea of equality really just began a few years ago and its no where close to being equal.

Christians run the show in the real midwest (not Ohio or Minnesota), the south and Texas.

Colleges are anti-military after DADT. Is it officially over? Are there still court martials and disciiplinary hearings still ongoing based on ones' homosexuality. is there lives state sponsered discrimination? Then the colleges have a right to bitch. Any other employer that fired gays because they were gay isnt allowed on campus.

"Insert witty quotation here"

Well I knew it had to be simple.

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

I love how the liberals just toss around the military like it is just another job.

Bronco...how many other companies on campus ask a person to give their life for a fellow employee?

I am not blaming the muslims for the special treatment they are receiving, that falls 100% on the spineless white people, that are scared of their own shadow.

I have one question for you "progressive type"...

Who is the craziest Islamic leader in this country?



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Please just answer this, anybody, I have asked this question over and over on this board but nobody can answer. Why do you cry yourself to sleep at night because a terrorist was water boarded, but some guy gets his head cut off and you turn your head like nothing. You won't admit it, but your actions make it obvious whose side you are on.

The reason you don't get an answer is  because you are an idiot.

Nobody turns their heads and thinks it is nothing when someone is murdered.  Just because it is wrong to murder does not mean that it is o.k. to torture.

"Well, it ain't braggin' if it's true
Yes sir, yes sir
It ain't braggin' if it's true
Muhammad Ali said that
Back when he was a young man
Back when he was Cassius Clay
Before he fought too many fights
And left his brain inside the ring"

"because you are an idiot."

Thanks for the update. Your attempt to answer fell short. I am not even saying waterboarding is ok, I am just asking why such an obviously more vile form of torture and murder of innocent victims received less attention than waterboarding of a terrorist.

Troop, in reflecting on my comments, I went too far in implying anyone on this board is pro terrorist, but the denial of the intentions of a lot of the elitists in your political party I find very Neville Chamberlain-esque.

Bronco, I am not sure it is discrimination. I bet a lot of us on this board couldn't join the army because of our age. Why don't we have a case of age discrimination and why wouldn't that same reason apply to gays? and by the way, why would you ban the ak-47? What would you use to knock out someone standing 100 yards away with a bazooka aimed at your house?

Surf's up, Terrorists. Come and get it at the Guantanamo Bay Wave Pool. Bring your friends. Good time for all at Camp Taliban!

Jesus. I should have been that movie announcer:

"In a world where........."

LMAO.






"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

"I am just asking why such an obviously more vile form of torture and murder of innocent victims received less attention than waterboarding of a terrorist."

Because no one in our country beheaded anyone on tv. It was a vile act that should and was criticized. You act like people in this country went up to the people that did the beheading and had a beer with them or something. Its a B.S. comparison and its nonsensical. One has nothing to do with the other.

and I disagree that the beheading received less attention. It was the only thing on the news for WEEKS.

"Insert witty quotation here"

If it did receive less attention (a suspect premise anyway) it would only be because we set our own foreign policy (in this case, waterboarding) via elections. If we foster discussion and awareness of our government's policies we can (hopefully) have a better government.

We can talk about what a tragedy the beheading of Perle was, and it was indeed a tragedy, but that will have no effect on what crazy Aholes in other countries will do. No matter how much we condemn it it will not stop.

Doesnt it make more sense in all aspects of life to put more thought into things you can actually impact rather than things you cannot?

Put it his way: if I was a dick to my wife and hurt her feelings, but found out some other guy stabbed his wife, would it make more sense to spend my time thinking about what an incredible douche the other guy is, or to think of a way to reconcile with my wife?

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

NO!
Sorry dream weavers but you fail.

This country hid the raw videos from 9-11.
This country refused to show the real life tragedy that was taking place.
This country refused to show the soldiers burned alive in Iraq and Africa.
This country refused to show the soldiers hanging from a bridge in Iraq.

THIS COUNTRY EXPLOITED THE ABU GHRAB (sp) PITCURES FOR POLTIICAL GAIN AND THEN CALLED IT TORTURE.
Don't give me this happy horse sh!t about being better than others.
the media and the liberals will use anything and everything they can to gain power and shove that disney dream world up the azz of the americans.

I did not think any of you would answer my question.


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No one answered your question? You've got that figured out, you Jesse Jackson victim wannabe?

Murf, no one answered your question because it was babbling and irrelevent nonsense. Surely you've witnessed the adults ignoring a ranting tirade from a slightly retarded youngster who's trying to get attention in the middle of a shopping mall.....whoops, just realized I described you once again.

Thanks for the update. Your attempt to answer fell short. I am not even saying waterboarding is ok, I am just asking why such an obviously more vile form of torture and murder of innocent victims received less attention than waterboarding of a terrorist.

Thank you Cin-C ding ding ding... correct answer.  Homey...do you have kids?  Do you teach them that if one hits the other, the other one should hit them back?  Or do you teach them how to properly resolve the issue?  I've got kids...when one hits the other and the the other hits back...guess what the one hits again...usually harder.

It's like Sam Wyche used to say... we are not in Cleveland.

Bronco, I am not sure it is discrimination. I bet a lot of us on this board couldn't join the army because of our age. Why don't we have a case of age discrimination and why wouldn't that same reason apply to gays? and by the way, why would you ban the ak-47? What would you use to knock out someone standing 100 yards away with a bazooka aimed at your house?

Once again your stupidity cup runneth over.  You can't discriminate against a person in a wheelchair, but you can decline to hire them for a job that requires standing and lifting objects over 40 pounds.  The ability to do the job is the key, military, wildland fire other jobs like that have mandatory retirement ages because it has been legally judged that they can not do the job at the level required.  As our health gets better and we live longer and healthier lives, there should be push back on mandatory retirement etc, and there is risk of discrimation based on age but the foundation of the requirement is based on ability to do the job, not sexual preference, skin color, etc.

 

"Well, it ain't braggin' if it's true
Yes sir, yes sir
It ain't braggin' if it's true
Muhammad Ali said that
Back when he was a young man
Back when he was Cassius Clay
Before he fought too many fights
And left his brain inside the ring"

Belko---You are insane if you believe that society would ever operate like that.
I disagree with the entire theory, I come from a place where you had no choice in the matter, if hit, hit back until somebody pulls you off the guy.
A bully will not stop until he is put in his place.

trooper--
You have mental issues!





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Murf again proves he cannot read...Dummy go back and read what BTT wrote again....Man you are dumb.

Belko:

Not just the stupidity cup. The absurdity cup. If someone is actually arguing that a such-an-such weapon should be legal because someone may point a bazooka at your house, I have to assume that this not a sane person I am dealing with. Or at least not one from the midwest. Additionally, I'm pretty sure that someone else already pointed out that to put these two events on this scale vs one another posthumously is likewise absurd.

Ah the gullible...

Boy, a little tongue and cheek there, settle down. The irony that someone who claimed right wings were paranoid that guns were going to be taken away was himself showing paranoia about being attacked with a bazooka if gun enthusiast were not kept in check. Seriously, Bronco, a neighbor blowing your house up with a bazooka? To use you own quote..ah the gullible.

"when one hits the other and the the other hits back...guess what the one hits again...usually harder."
-Belko

Belko, I am not so sure that makes the best foreign policy.





"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-Thomas Jefferson

O.K. let me try it this way. 

We built a constitution, it says all men were created equal, etc. etc.  Then we created a rule of law based on how we want to live, what we think an ideal society would be.  We have discourse on all of this every day, that is a good thing.  People that do not live within the United States are not afforded the protections of our constituion.  They are subject to the law of their own land.

The fact that they do not reside under our authority however does not take away from our own constitution--our ideal which references all men.  When we turn ourselves away from those ideals, not as individuals, but as a society, our entire system is at risk of becoming disengenuous (do as I say not as I do).  Of course individuals will continue to torture and steal and murder..but as a society if we accept those activities (murder, torture theft) our constitution and our society become less civel and our country as a whole becomes weeker.  If we deem torture to be wrong, it is no less wrong because it is a response to murder.  Condoning turture as a society is far more significant than reacting to a crime (regardless of that crime being perputrated by a foreign individual or a foreign society).  In this context, the case of american individuals being beheaded by terrorists is a horror, but has a lower impact on the people of the United States and our society than a shift in mores and folkways that leads to condoning activities that had previously been determined as wrong society wide.

"Well, it ain't braggin' if it's true
Yes sir, yes sir
It ain't braggin' if it's true
Muhammad Ali said that
Back when he was a young man
Back when he was Cassius Clay
Before he fought too many fights
And left his brain inside the ring"

We die, they get Ice Cream?

WOW!





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No, Murf. It's Osama bin Laden that doesn't get to eat any more ice cream. Now that Bush and Cheney are out, Waterboarding has stopped. And Barack Obama killed Osama.

We killed terrorist barbarions and didn't act like terrorist barbarians. Game. Set. Match.

You just can't victim yourself into credibility. But please don't stop trying. It's fun to laugh at you and beat you down for it time and time again.

A-hole joel?...I mean murph....

"Well, it ain't braggin' if it's true
Yes sir, yes sir
It ain't braggin' if it's true
Muhammad Ali said that
Back when he was a young man
Back when he was Cassius Clay
Before he fought too many fights
And left his brain inside the ring"

I believe if we just release all of the cowards we have in custody, that muslims will give us a big hug and we can all have an ice cream social and talk things out.






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Those so called "cowards" you speak of would make your panties curl up if you ever met one in an alley, Murf. So you should be thankful that we finally have a President that's killing them.

And you can't seem to resist the religious-intolerant streak that defines your ilk. Hence, your "Muslims" generality, instead of the terrorists specificity.

By your illogic, we should be intolerant of Catholics, since so many of them were Nazis.

"we finally have a President that's killing them"

Hook, now you are being ridiculous.

http://www.tnr.com/article/world/88734/obama-bush-osama-bin-laden-afghanistan-yemen

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/01/28/2010-01-28_ive_bagged_more_terrorists_sez_prez.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122436089

You were saying Homey?

Call me naive, I guess. I expect Murf to walk into such a smashup. But I'm really surprised that Homey would walk down the factless road. Your links make my retort pointless. Thanks for sharing, BB.

Yes, when faced with facts resort to pathetic attempts of changing the subject.

I am scared of a cave dwelling subhuman in a dress and sandals, about as much as I am scared of you.
LOL!

Now, on to your embarrassing comments.
The "small percentage" of people that follow the muslim religion, are called MUSLIMS.
I like to call them what they are, not hide the facts for political correctness.


MUSLIMS claim that they represent the religion of peace:
That equals out to 17,373 peaceful attacks since 9-11
I would hate to see what the numbers are, if they were not such a peaceful people.

1606---critical injured
793--dead bodies
from the peace lovers just in the month of May.

I don't know why the entire world does not join this wonderful cult.
The Prophet that they love and follow, was a pedophile that had sex with a 9 year old at the age of 42.
Women are beaten on a daily basis.
Gays are killed
Little girls are buried up to their heads and then hit in the head with rocks for walking down the wrong side of the street.
A dog has more respect than a woman
Slavery is still a huge part of their routine
Child slavery is a very lucrative business
These are just a few samples of that great religious order.

Now rush to defend them, b/c a liberal is all about protecting human rights...(the hypocrisy is mind blowing at times)

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OK I think I just figured out that Murf must be a drunk. 3Am, my friend? On a saturday night/sunday morning? Ranting about Mohammed? To NOBODY who agrees? lol

You're drunk. It's the only explanation for your euphoric opinion of yourself. Try AA. They don't call "god" Allah.

But they WILL make you admit you have a problem.

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

I don't know where you are, but it was more like 6:00am on a sunday morn.

We have very arrogant hypocrites on this board, so you just have to present the facts and watch them squirm!

They claim to be fans of human rights no matter what, but turn their heads when it comes to the most abusive people on earth.



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Nobody here is squirming over anything you have to say little fella. Rubbernecking? Sure. Watching the spectacular display of vacuous brainpower? You bet. SQUIRMING?

Don't flatter yourself.

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

"... but turn their heads when it comes to the most abusive people on earth."~Murf.

You're lying again. Who's turning their heads? No one on my team is.

We're proud that your president killed Osama. We're proud that your president has a far, far better record of killing terrorists than the dolt he replaced. That has served our interests far, far more than lying our country into a war and killing perhaps hundreds of thousands of people whose most common trait were that they were idealogical enemies of Osama bin Laden's.

And we're proud to live by American ideals. That includes freedom of religion. Respct for that credo makes us patriots. You and your ilk just don't qualify.

Sorry, Murf. We don't squirm at your childish rantings. We laugh at you about them....often.

You're the dolt who will never rise above nursery rhyme rants. You're funny, but it's a thin line between imbecility and comedy.

History has always shown that a certain segment of the population (the low IQ portion) agonizes for the chance to practice xenophobia and victimhood. You're a sad, if inconsequential, example.

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Murf. But since you can't help it, most all of us will just have to laugh at you for it.

"slavery is still part of their major routine" ~murf

I am surprised you haven't converted to Muslim Murf.

Once again, the bitter little warped minds ignore the facts and continue the typical liberal way...deny deny deny.

Freedom of religion?
Who is fighting their right to practice their religion?
I have yet to read anything on that.

I am just pointing out the facts.
You claim to be this progressive person and by your arrogance and I am sure that you believe that you are above most, but you fail to denounce the activities of that so called religion of peace.

Do you agree that women should be forced to cover themselves from head to toe in public?
Do you agree that women should be beaten with Bamboo sticks if they walk too slow or too fast or on the wrong side of the street?
Do you agree that little girls should be forced into sex slaves?
Do you agree that a 40 year old man should have sex with a 9 year old little girl?
Do you agree that a young girl that was raped should be buried alive up to her head and beaten to death with rocks?
Do you agree that little boys are sold as slaves?

This is just the tip of the Human Rights issues that the religion of peace lives by.

But hey, as long as you can sleep at night promoting the protection of this religion, then so be it.

BTW--
Is that your new calling card...MICKEY KILLED BIN LADEN, BUSH DIDN'T...
Seriously?







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"Do you agree that women should be forced to cover themselves from head to toe in public?
Do you agree that women should be beaten with Bamboo sticks if they walk too slow or too fast or on the wrong side of the street?
Do you agree that little girls should be forced into sex slaves?
Do you agree that a 40 year old man should have sex with a 9 year old little girl?
Do you agree that a young girl that was raped should be buried alive up to her head and beaten to death with rocks?
Do you agree that little boys are sold as slaves?"



No, you victim wannabe. I believe anyone that commits those acts should be prosecuted....be they Muslim, Baptist, Catholic or Jew. And history shows that those crimes are well represented among followers of all those religions, and more.

You remain comically and hopelessly helpless to follow an adult conversation or engage in cognitive thought. Murf, that's why you are an inconsequential laughingstock.

That you continue to take yourself so seriously in light of your shortcomings remains a remarkable mystery. Spare yourself and your family the misery and stop putting your phony, ignorant and fact-starved rants out there for public ridicule.

And yes, Murf. Much to your shame and horror: Obama killed and kills terrorists (who happen to be Muslim, not because they are Muslim).

You are a mental case..
I provide facts, and you provide excuses.







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Murf, to translate the frustrated language of a mental midget, you just stated that you got your butt kicked......AGAIN.

And you got it kicked with facts, which is always the case.

You might not have learned yet to communicate like an adult. But at least awareness set in with you that you were totally humiliated. In your case, that's progress.

When did you provide facts?

I asked a few simple questions and you could not even bring yourself to answer the question without making an excuse.

Put the pipe down seek mental help.




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Hook Wrote:


Posted Jun 24, 2011 4:32 PM

No, Murf. It's Osama bin Laden that doesn't get to eat any more ice cream. Now that Bush and Cheney are out, Waterboarding has stopped. And Barack Obama killed Osama.

We killed terrorist barbarions and didn't act like terrorist barbarians. Game. Set. Match.

You just can't victim yourself into credibility. But please don't stop trying. It's fun to laugh at you and beat you down for it time and time again.

Do actually believe what you just wrote? Do you think launching missiles into homes of "suspected" terrorists and killing a few women and kids is not "barbaric"? Certainly a poor choice of words.

What exactly do you think our Special Forces teams and other ground troops are doing in Afghanistan? Do you really want to know? To quote a famous movie actor and line "You can't handle the truth". Our men are hunting down the Taliban day and night and KILLING them period. We invaded their country and started killing them because they played nice with Osama just as Saudi Arabia and many other countries such as Pakistan have.

The Taliban NEVER declared war on the US BTW. Their crime was to ignore Osama Bin Laden and his pathetic training areas since he gave them money. The idea that the Taliban had any clue as to what Osama had planned is laughable yet we just keep killing them because we don't like their lifestyle. The Taliban never bothered any other country or exported terrorism yet we continue to slaughter them by the thousands and call it progress. Al-Queda has moved on to Pakistan and other parts of the world yet we stay in Afghanistan.

Also, the idea that WE are not water boarding anyone must make you feel like quite the Boy Scout and helps you sleep at night. Unfortunately, the people we hand our Al-Qaeda prisoners to don't have the same restrictions our boys do. If you think we are not sub leasing our interrogations to non American "third parties" you are living in a dream world.

The reality is we should have been in Afghanistan one year tops and gotten out. You can't rebuild a nation THAT WAS NEVER BUILT. Also, Obama's idea that Afghanistan is more important than Iraq is borderline incompetent. YES, ITS ALL ABOUT OIL and Iran. Lots of oil and a country that borders one messed up country in Iran. A massive earthquate could wipe out Afghanistan tomorrow and the only people it would hurt would be heroin addicts. The country has never been important.

Pretending Obama is doing it the right way is a joke just as saying FDR did it the right way. There is no wrong or right way only winners and losers. War is about killing, destroying the enemy's will to fight and conquest. We firebombed and nuked cities in WWII. Burned alive and vaporized millions of civillians as well. Used flame throwers on Japs hiding in caves. Did we do it wrong? Not if you read the history books.

I guarantee you the Germans would have used poison gas in WWII if they thought it would help them win the war. Problem was they knew the Russians and US had GIGANTIC stockpiles of the stuff so they did not dare do it. It wasn't because it was wrong, it was because Hitler knew it would backfire. Hilter firebombed Coventry in 1940 and practically burned the city to the ground. Of course, the reaction was US and British bombers were now allowed to adopt these BARBARIC tactics. We called it "Area Bombing" which sounded much nicer but the goal was to create a firestorm in the city and destroy public morale.

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As long as they continue to live in this fantasy world they created in their minds, you are not going to reach them.

Iraq is more important...
We should have a permanent air force base in Southern Iraq.

You ask a liberal why Bin Laden attacked America and they will not have a clue.
It was not Foreign Policy as they love to point to.
It was not to fight Americans b/c of our addiction to oil.

It was in fact b/c he was embarrassed and humiliated by the Saudi King and his ego got in the way.
He wanted to build a Saudi Army with his Al Qaeda network and the King not only said no, but laughed at him.
He hated the fact that blacks and women were defending his holy land.

The dream of a coward playing nice b/c we play nice is not only insane, but a very dangerous path to take.
You have to erase the threat.
There is not a chance in hell that the coward networks suddenly become smart.

Mickey has done one correct thing as Commander...gave the green light to execute Bin Laden, then of course backed that up with a proper burial so nobody got offended (amazing)





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I've got to chuckle at the irony. If you meant to come to Murf's defense after I slapped him down, SF2, you might want to keep trying.

Yes, I totally believe our special forces (and intelligence services) are racking up large body counts, especially of Al Quedda terrorists. That's the basic point that so humiliates, and infuriates, Murf.

So you and I are on the same page there: Obama is flat out lethal to terrorists (although I'm curious about your assertion of multiple targeting of Taliban in Afghanistan with such assets. I've only seen coverage of attacking Al Queadda with most all of those assets, and even then mostly in Pakistan, not in Afghanistan, where our conventional military operates).

The terrorist ice cream eating days of the Bush years are over, thankfully.

But aside from that, I'm curious where your assertion or suggestion comes from that the bloodthirsty Obama is authorizing missile strikes into homes merely because of "suspected" terrorists being there. At the least you seem to imply that Obama is unconcerned about the body count of innocent family members or civilians.

I would like to believe that Obama's kill missions are based off sophisticated and analytical intelligence. And it will be disconcerting to me if he is, in fact, indifferent to collateral casualties.

Again, I laugh that one Obama critic (Murf) invents contentions that Obama is soft and refuses to fight the terrorists.

But now I'm curious: Where do your opposite contentions come from? Is there some sort of Fox News Analyst that you're summarizing?

I'd prefer to believe that you have some basis for your comments. I hope you're not just making stuff up, Murf style. I'll try to keep an open mind.

One Obama critic rants with ignorant nursery rhymes that Obama is some sort of softie. Now another seems to paint him as a cold-hearted killer.

Until I see some proof to the contrary, I'll prefer to believe the answer is just about midway between you two: We've got a president that's determined to kill our enemies and not create new ones because of xenophobic impulses. In other words, we've got sanity back in the White House.

And by the way, Murf, stop trying to join an adult conversation. You're overmatched, as always.

Osama's body was buried at sea to avoid it becoming a shrine to new terrorist recruitment. Forget the chicken or the egg debate. With Murf it's: Stupid or Ignorant.

Oh, and SF2, I don't argue with your contention that Al Queadda has moved into Pakistan and elsewhere (hence, that's why Barack is killing so many of them elsewhere). But from what I understand, the geopolitical concern about a complete pullout from Afghanistan is precisely because Pakistan is not only unstable, but unstable with a large nuclear stockpile.

I pity any President that has to deal with that reality. But I'm thankful we no longer have a dolt calling the shots (figuratively and literally).

Man you seriously need medication.


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Double post



"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

And Hitler would know all about Mustard Gas, since he was a victim of it in World War 1. Your post, SF2, was ironical as it gets.

And good post overall. Nice job. Thought out.

I know we see eye to eye about Israel as well, and why idiots like Obama can't figure out why the UN created the state of Israel back in 1948--and was one of their first acts of their existence.

Now, the Indian Givers wanna give it back. No f*cking way in hell do you give that back to the muslims. No f*cking way. All hell would break loose.

Also, another interesting point SF2 makes is how rogue Afghanistan has been since the beginning of time. It hasn't ever been anything. The Soviets figured this out in the late 80s after an almost decade long bout with it's opposition.

It's a no win situation. It took the Soviets 8-10 years to figure that out. Hopefully it doesn't take us that long.

No wait--how long have we been there again? Sheesh. Too long. You can't help people that do NOT want to be helped.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

Since hooky is all proud of BHO's military conquests, I'm curious as to his view of BHO's ATF providing some arms to Mexican drug operations.

Troop, I called your comments ridiculous, BHO was not the first person to "finally" kill terrorists. To come up with a body count and judge performance is ridiculous. Who was counting? What is considered a terrorist leader? What criteria? Was captured the same as killed? WTF?

Also, are we now allowed to call them terrorists again? Seriously? What happened to insurgents or rebels? lol.

Homey, the contrast was this: pursuing Osama and his centralized network was sidetracked by the Iraq War debacle (although I'm sure the Bushies were hopeful that enough Sheep in the country would equate all Muslims as culpable). As the earlier links reported, al Queada leadership has been decimated in far greater numbers in the last couple of years.

No one claimed that Bush was shutout by Obama. He merely lost by a blowout in terms of going after the 9/11 enemies. And that point was made just to blow Murf out of the water, which I admit is like fishing in a barrel.

Turd, much like you, I don't know a lot about the gun walking scheme used to infiltrate Mexican criminal cartels. I know the organizations are massive, and infiltrate both the business and government communities in Mexico. They've operated with impunity in the US for many, many years.

I'd like to think that strategic intel was obtained to penetrate and attack these organizations. But I've already read some of the insane rantings (such as the whacko three percenter crowd) that the program was designed to subvert American gun ownership. That just fits the pattern of Right Wing Victim Wannabes....a constant theme to our society today.

It should make you pause to consider that the over-riding concern was to attack a criminal enterprise that projects itself into our country. I'm curious what, if any, tactics preceeded it. For that matter, I'm curious if this program was a strategic success or a failure.

No doubt it was an extreme tactic. The threat from Mexican cartels is an extreme threat. In the balance, neither you or I know if it has been, or will be, as large of a disaster as making Osama and thousands like him our defacto paid and trained contractors to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980's. But frankly, I understand that was an extreme tactic as well for what was deemed an extreme circumstance.

For those not familiar with BHO's ATF program.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7371245n

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/23/eveningnews/main20035609.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110624,0,7283758.story

http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1341%3Areport-four-atf-agents-working-on-controversial-operation-fast-and-furious-tell-their-story&catid=22%3Areleasesstatements&Itemid=1

Maybe BHO should send his TSA troops to handle the gun/drug trade at the border, they will leave no 95 yr. old's depends unchecked.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/06/27/florida.tsa.incident/index.html

I need medication.

And I'm much more pleased by and interested in one of BHO's first directives, to the ATF: STOP busting people in medical marijuana states for possession of marijuana who have a license.

I really couldn't care less what anybody's opinion of his foreign policy is. He isn't xenophobic, and that's all the upgrade we need over Homer Bush for me to know the policy decisions are made with reason rather than faith.

But I will re-elect him (and work to influence others to do the same) because I am thrilled to drive around in a free country again, protected by habeas corpus, and legally possessing my pot, while the teabaggers squirm away. Enjoy 4 more years you simpletons.

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

WOW!

Bush had to deal with the media and the liberal whack jobs like Murtha trying to toss the soldiers under the bus for political gain.
They had investigation after investigation about cowards being detained and how they were being treated.
You had liberals crying on tv demanding that Bush get impeached, you even had a few of them destroy innocent soldiers lives over a false story.

Now that Mickey is (unfortunately) pretending to be Commander, the liberals and the media ignore a true story about a killing team.
They ignore that Gitmo is still in operation (and should be).
The morons tell the cowards when, where and how many troops are being pulled from a war zone...

He gave the green light for the soldiers to take out Bin Laden...you behave like that is the most important mission in US history.
he was nothing more than just another perverted coward ordering retarded human beings around, there are thousands of them all around the world.
If you believe that killing him and (then giving him a proper burial), was going to put a damper on the coward activity, then you need to stay indoors so that you don't hurt yourself.
Somebody is planing a massive attack as we bicker, so they can be called the next Bin Laden.

The hypocrisy is off the charts!



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How, exactly, am I "behaving like giving the green light... was the most important mission in history"...?

I JUST SAID I couldn't care less about foreign policy, that the ATF directive was much more important TO ME.

You are a mindless tool. You were born one, you'll die one, and there's nothing you can do to change it in between.

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

tobb - Dunno if this affects you or not, didn't really know much about the subject to begin with.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/01/medical-marijuana-memo-doj_n_888995.html

http://www.psywarrior.com/OpnIraqiFreedomcont2.html

They were.

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

I especially love that Killin Muthas Guitar Hero guitar and the airsoft guns on the bed with the pink clips lol.

Hook in Bold

Yes, I totally believe our special forces (and intelligence services) are racking up large body counts, especially of Al Quedda terrorists. That's the basic point that so humiliates, and infuriates, Murf.

So you and I are on the same page there: Obama is flat out lethal to terrorists (although I'm curious about your assertion of multiple targeting of Taliban in Afghanistan with such assets. I've only seen coverage of attacking Al Queadda with most all of those assets, and even then mostly in Pakistan, not in Afghanistan, where our conventional military operates).

Obama is about as lethal to terrorists as Bush was. We use predator drones in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, its just that nobody pays attention in Afghanistan. In Pakistan the consensus is the US is violating their sovereignty (a fact) by conducting these airstrike on their soil so they give it widespread media attention and love it when a human shield or two dies.

The terrorist ice cream eating days of the Bush years are over, thankfully.
Whatever.


But aside from that, I'm curious where your assertion or suggestion comes from that the bloodthirsty Obama is authorizing missile strikes into homes merely because of "suspected" terrorists being there. At the least you seem to imply that Obama is unconcerned about the body count of innocent family members or civilians.

I would like to believe that Obama's kill missions are based off sophisticated and analytical intelligence. And it will be disconcerting to me if he is, in fact, indifferent to collateral casualties.

I would hope that any President that is in command while our men are fighting is willing to spill PLENTY of blood. Destroying the enemy's will to fight is usually a messy affair but necessary. The threshold for an airstrike is currently whether or not a target is confirmed. Our intelligence for most missions comes from paid Paki or Afghan spies. Nothing sophisticated just old school intelligence. Collateral damage has been off the table for years as it should be. No hiding behind kids and skirts.

One Obama critic rants with ignorant nursery rhymes that Obama is some sort of softie. Now another seems to paint him as a cold-hearted killer.
Obama is doing what he should do and letting his field commanders execute the war. Combat is cold-hearted and requires killing. However, if Bush were still President there would be huge cries of baby killer and anti-war protests in the streets. Pure hypocrisy on the left but not Obama's fault. BTW, where did all the war protestors go?

Until I see some proof to the contrary, I'll prefer to believe the answer is just about midway between you two: We've got a president that's determined to kill our enemies and not create new ones because of xenophobic impulses. In other words, we've got sanity back in the White House.

We are creating enemies everyday. Our actions in Libya and Yemen are creating scores of new enemies. There was no reason to get involved in a civil war in either country. I can only imagine the outcry if Bush had done this and basically put out a death order on Gaddafi. I think it was the wrong move. We should have taken Gaddafi out a long time ago (like late 80s) in a much more clandestine way. My gut tells me Egypt will go terribly wrong and that was handled rather poorly. They will become our enemies as well since that is what all the cool kids are doing. I don't blame Obama for all of this. We biatch and moan when France and NATO members shun our requests so when they asked for our help Obama was like WTF?, when did you azzholes become gung ho?


But from what I understand, the geopolitical concern about a complete pullout from Afghanistan is precisely because Pakistan is not only unstable, but unstable with a large nuclear stockpile.
It is becoming more unstable because of our airstrikes and the government allowing the US to use their roads to deliver supplies. The Pakis are a proud people and 9 years of this is starting to piss them off. Us leaving would eliminate one significant thorn in their leadership's back. Their army can take care of Al-Queda. Al-Queda is a paper lion.

I pity any President that has to deal with that reality. But I'm thankful we no longer have a dolt calling the shots (figuratively and literally).

Obama's basically calling the same shots Bush did. Not much has really changed except we moved some men from the area of utmost importance (Iraq) to a country that has no significant value. Yeah, US Pres is a mother of a job.

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Stop making sense, you will anger the minions.

To point out the hypocrisy from left is like breathing.
They have become a sorry bunch.

Just a few short months ago, a Congresswoman was shot by a coward.
Within minutes of the smoke clearing you had progressive whack jobs screaming about guns and Fox news and conservative talk radio.
Then come to find out, the guy was a liberal not a right wing gun carrying militia tea party redneck...
Then it became all about the angry bickering and how we need to put a stop to it.

Since then...
Every name that has come out on the right, they have attacked by name calling and making the smallest things out to be something huge.

What happened to just honest campaigns and hugs?

LOL!

You clowns should be embarrassed every day of your dream weaving lives.


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I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is no way this murf cat is real. I mean yeah he's a real person, but this has to be a way for him to get a rise out of people. Noboday and I mean nodbody can be this dumb...can they? Oh and by the way knuckle head this has nothing to do with your polotics, but everything to do with your inability to understand even the simplest of issues and your lack of memory.

Murf, you just can't stop making things up. Lying to you is as natural as breathing.

"Then come to find out, the guy was a liberal not a right wing gun carrying militia tea party redneck..."~Murf

I never stop enjoying the recreation of calling you out as a liar. Heck, is it three times in this thread alone now? You couldn't counter the first two, let's see if you can counter this one.

Where is your source that Jared Loughner is a liberal? He might not be a republican (actually, the republicans of 40 years ago are pretty much what the democrats are today). But he absolutely is a government-hating, conspiracy-loving nutjob.....much like you.


He even bought into the New World Order nonsense.

From Wikepedia:

Loughner believed in numerous conspiracy theories and espoused views such as: the United States Government was responsible for the September 11 attacks;[31] a New World Order would bring about a one world currency; there would be a 2012 apocalypse; NASA had faked spaceflights; and the government was using mind control to brainwash people by controlling grammar. He was a member of the message board Above Top Secret though members of the site did not respond warmly to his posts.[28][32][33][34] Reports appearing after the shooting noted similarities between the statements made by Loughner concerning grammar and mind control and the views of conspiracy theorist David Wynn Miller.[35] Miller stated, "He's just repeating things I've had up on my site the past 11 years."[36][37] According to Zach Osler, the online conspiracy theory film Zeitgeist: The Movie affected Loughner's view of the world. Loughner believed that most people in the country are brainwashed and are unaware that nothing is real. Loughner became obsessed with controlling what he perceived to be lucid dreams.[10][38][39][40]

So what is your source of information that he was a liberal? Show yourself not to be a liar for the first time ever.

I'll check in when I get back from vacation. I suspect that you'll reply with second grade nursery rhymes again.

You're not an adult, Murf. And you take yourself way too seriously. Just accept the fact that your a doltish child, keep to yourself, and maybe people will stop laughing at you.

Yes, Jared the Loughner, the liberal.

The anti-abortion whack job that reads Hitler novels and Ayn Rand books. Definitely a liberal.

"Insert witty quotation here"

...."Yes, Jared the Loughner, the liberal.

The anti-abortion whack job that reads Hitler novels and Ayn Rand books. Definitely a liberal."



Murf:

Ignore these people, with their so called facts, I call them themes. When you are right, you are right and you just have to ignore these people and keep on keeping on. I know all about that.

Jared the Loughner was nothing more than a murderous piece of garbage end of discussion. He wasn't a liberal or conservative, just a worthless pussy who shot and killed unarmed American citizens. He should be hung in the desert and allowed to hang until the buzzards rip all of the flesh from his bones.

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Agree with SF2.

He was just a crazy mofo.

"Insert witty quotation here"

LOL!

Amazing



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"Jared the Loughner was nothing more than a murderous piece of garbage end of discussion. He wasn't a liberal or conservative, just a worthless pussy who shot and killed unarmed American citizens. He should be hung in the desert and allowed to hang until the buzzards rip all of the flesh from his bones."

I think the dude was major league whacked out of his mind. Not so sure thats the kind of "criminal" you want to do that to.

I think the dude was major league whacked out of his mind. Not so sure thats the kind of "criminal" you want to do that to.

He is no different than Chuckie Manson or John Gacy. There is a difference between those with mental health problems and those with VIOLENT Mental health issues that act upon them. He is a danger to all he comes in contact with and can never be allowed to walk the streets a free man again.

He is no different than the pedophile who serves their time yet everyone pretty much knows the guy will never be "cured". A high percentage of released pedophiles offend again.

Some mental health problems can be controlled but rarely cured. The big difference is these people are not blowing away multiple innocent victims to include children when they have an episode. If mental health were an exact science then maybe we could do something but it isn't even close. Only a fool would ever sign the release papers on this guy.

Sure, if you want, we can do the lethal injection thing behind closed doors if that will make you happy. Reality is this guy will probably get whacked by an inmate when he finally makes it to prison since child killers are not well received.

Still, if he were a real left or right wing loon why waste your time on a minor congresswoman when you can go after far more import targets? The dude just showed up at a very minor event and started killing people. If it had been Obama or John Boehner he probably would have found a reason to shoot them too.

No reason to spend a lot of money on this guy. Yep, SF2 is now the head of the DEATH PANEL.




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...."He is a danger to all he comes in contact with and can never be allowed to walk the streets a free man again."

AGREED, not sure I would whack him the way that you stated though. Child molesters are different. They know what they are doing, I am not sure this guy was really on this planet.

I would be happy to squeeze the life out of this guy. My hands around his neck while I watch with enjoyment.

A society that kills murderers is saying that murder is more heinous a crime than a society that keeps all its murderers alive.

So USC3, using that logic.

We kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong.

Right?

"Insert witty quotation here"

Here is the problem with modern day thinking.
There is a growing number of people that is against the death penalty and that number is even higher for not killing people with a mental disorder.

Now, if the person on trial is clearly not able to understand what they did, then I can handle that person being placed in a mental prison for the remaining years of their life without any chance of that person having the ability to kill again, except for sexual attacks, then it doesn't matter...pull the trigger.

If the person is like this coward..death penalty.
He fully understands what he did.
Now, you can get every Dr. Phil bleeding heart whack job to say that he has some type of mental disorder to hide the fact that he killed, but be honest, Bipolar is starting to become as common as a cold.
More and more doctors just claim bipolar or any type of mental disorder and then fill the person up with meds.

It will all come to haunt us at some point.


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"if the person on trial is clearly not able to understand what they did, then I can handle that person being placed in a mental prison ."

But if you let them go, isn't all crime based on some sort of mental deficiency? Is it fair to pick and choose what kind of deficiency get different treatment? Just saying...

And here is the problem with Iron-Age thinking: We know more now. There is new information/evidence. Perhaps you should learn some of it and see if it changes the facts as you knew them.

Mikey is cleverer than you think.

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Killer---Dead person---justice.
Nothing changes, just more excuses.

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..."If the person is like this coward..death penalty.
He fully understands what he did."

Well there you have it. He fully understood what he did, Murf said so. Thanks for clearing that up.

So USC3, using that logic.

We kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong.

Right?

bronco, in a word, NO. There is a huge difference between murdering and killing. So, I do not accept your premise.

Your statement is the same as arguing that you can't teach that stealing is wrong by taking away a thief's money or that you can't teach that kidnapping is wrong by kidnapping (i.e., imprisoning) kidnappers.

Allowing one who has unjustly deprived another person of life to keep his own is the ultimate injustice.

Not sure Afghanistan is as worthless as everybody thinks:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html

$1 trillion in gold, lithium, copper, etc. Plus I believe it is positioned to have a large natural gas pipeline running through it that could deliver from nearby seas.

Why is Iraq so important anyway? I never felt Iraq was particularly important.

And Murf, how many times are you going to complain and moan about "out of control government spending" and then support multiple foreign wars (yes, you STRONGLY supported the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions) and now want a PERMANENT military base in S. Iraq? Yet you simultaneously want across the board tax cuts and for us to reduce spending significantly? Murf you would probably bankrupt this country faster than Bush if you were POTUS.

Are you familiar with the term cognitive dissonance?

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

Not sure Afghanistan is as worthless as everybody thinks:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html

$1 trillion in gold, lithium, copper, etc. Plus I believe it is positioned to have a large natural gas pipeline running through it that could deliver from nearby seas.

Why is Iraq so important anyway? I never felt Iraq was particularly important.


Yeah, a bunch of untapped mineral deposits in a backward country is NOTHING new. There are plenty of countries in far more stable regions of the world that have the same natural resources aka Brazil.

So we go in there and help develop the mines only to be kicked out when they start turning a profit? No thanks. Been there, done that.

Why is Iraq important? Well, they have a huge deposit of oil (they supply Europe with lots of oil), they are the most progressive of all the Muslim countries save Turkey, they are a buffer between Iran and Saudi Arabia and Isreal ( they don't like the Iranians either), and they actually have elections for most of their political offices even when Saddam was in charge.

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Honestly, I am pro-Capital Punishment in cases where guilt is established by clear and convincing evidence in 1st degree murder cases.

However, considering the thousands of people exonerated by DNA evidence in the last 20 years, there are few cases that I consider the evidence to be "clear and convincing".



"Insert witty quotation here"

clear and convincing evidence is all you want???

That is a lesser standard than beyond a reasonable doubt. Surely you wouldn't put someone to death based upon clear and convincing??

Yes, I want the Government to stop spending...never in a million years have I ever stated that any cut should come from the military.

Easy to make cuts...save a bunch of cash:

Stop Welfare
Deport all illegals
Stop paying Muslim countries
Stop sending millions over to Europe for Environmental Protection horse sh!t
Stop spending on the EPA
Stop spending on Saving the planet
Stop spending on expanding government.
Stop spending on projects like the Stimulus that failed and cost 278,000.00 dollars per fake job.
Stop spending on world trips
Stop spending on Street Car projects that go 1 mile and will cost more to operate and maintain.
Stop spending on free housing
Stop spending on free cell phones
Stop spending on Welfare
Stop spending on housing
The list could go on and on, but these will erase a big chunk of our issues

If you take the illegals back to where they belong, and cut welfare down to a bare minimum with strict guide lines to follow along with drug testing, then the people that claim that they can't find work, will suddenly find a job and get back to work.
As long as we are providing a free ride, they will not work.
The illegals are sucking us dry....if you want to live here and work here, then become a citizen.

The Save the planet freaks, just have to chill on spending billions on junk science.

At some point you run out of other peoples money




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The reality is Medicare and Medicaid spending are going to break the country unless we do something about them. They currently accounts for about 25% of the federal budget (which has a deficit of $1.5 trillion) and is projected to double in the next 10 years (using Obama's healthcare plan, not current which is worse)

Even by bringing home our troops and slashing defense spending by a considerable margin, entitlement programs are growing at such a fast clip it is almost impossible to get the debt situation under control without dramatically slowing the growth of these programs which is highly unlikely.

We is in a pickle.


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January 6,1991: The last post season victory for the Bengals.

The old people need to be taken care of.
Veterans need to be taken care of.
The handicap that can't work, need to be taken care of.

The rest of them...
On your own..
Don't have 5 kids and then look at me and tell me that it is my responsibility to take care of you and your family.
Sorry, I don't get sh!t, and I can't even get any help from anywhere for the boy, so please spare me the fuching sob stories on taking care of the poor.

If you can work...you work or don't eat.
If you have to be on the system, you are drug tested and educated for 3 years and then sent out to find a job.
We can't afford the liberal agenda.

Why do we send money across the pond to places like Pakistan that clearly is on the side of the enemy.
Why do we allow New Orleans to resemble a third world country but rush to help Haiti?

The nonsense has to stop.



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"Why is Iraq important? Well, they have a huge deposit of oil (they supply Europe with lots of oil), they are the most progressive of all the Muslim countries save Turkey, they are a buffer between Iran and Saudi Arabia and Isreal ( they don't like the Iranians either), and they actually have elections for most of their political offices even when Saddam was in charge."

But Iraq was all this BEFORE we invaded. So yeah I can see some reasons it is important, but why was invading them and keeping a permanent military presence important?

The oil production was actually significantly disrupted by the invasion. So in at least that respect this war hasn't really helped at all.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

If we wanted to, we could do some research and find of list of innocents that were exonerated and taken off death row. I'm willing to live with a few innocent people losing their lives in support of the death penalty.

I could also come up with a list of innocent victims that were killed because convicted murderers were allowed to live...people murdered by convicted murderers while in prison. The murdered include prison guards, fellow inmates, and innocent men and women outside of prison when these animals are released.

Problem is, that you can't trust the liberals to keep them in prison forever.

Willy Horton!

Alcatraz should be in operation and if you are guilty of murder or rape or child rape, that is where you go to die.
Keep them on the island with minimum basics...food & water.
The liberals would scream cruel punishment if they did that, so the next best thing is to just accept the death penalty as an acceptable means to justice.

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