This sh!t is out of control.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/farrakhan-tweets-where-there-is-no-justice-there-will-be-no-peace-law-of-retaliation-may-be-applied/

So you have racist rebel rouser making threats.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id=%7BEA0E2B36-391C-47D3-A57F-2D6790DDFA35%7D&title=MSNBC%20Host%20Blames%20Limbaugh%20Gingrich%20Santorum%20Rhetoric%20For%20Trevon%20Martin%20Death

You have a crazy b!tch feeding the nut jobs on MSNBC

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/03/obama-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon-118439.html

you have Mickey claiming if he had a son it would look like Trayvon..

The Anti-gun nuts are flying out of every corner and you have Madcow and Ed Shultz blaming Mitt Romney.

So lets take a look at this.
There are several versions of the story and frankly nobody knows what is true b/c the 2 main people involved are not talking, the one is saying nothing and the other is dead.
There are several versions of so called people who were there, one story claims that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and another story was that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon..

So why don't we let the Justice Dept. investigate this and see what kind of facts they come up with.
If this guy is guilty, fry his azz..if not, there is nothing more to say about it.

The thing that burns my azz more than anything is the exploitation of the story.
Why is this story so important?
Thousands of young black men are killed every year in America and I don't see threats from so called preachers.
Thousands of young black men are killed without justice.
In Cincinnati alone we just had 4 shootings in a few hours, one that hit a 4 year old child and I don't see the media circus.

The liberals that are exploiting this tragedy to promote their anti-gun and anti-self defense agenda should be ashamed of themselves.
The Law gives you the right to protect yourself and your family from anyone in society and it is a very good common sense law that most states should have.

It is a sad case and a tragedy no family should ever have to deal with, but to exploit this is a very shameful.




http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

Welcome to the world the liberals have created.

I think most people who are upset about this see it as an injustice that you could shoot an unarmed kid and then claim it was self defense and you don't even have to go in front of a judge or jury to prove anything. Just shoot, claim self defense, and walk free, seems to be the precedent here and I think many people are uncomfortable with that.

I agree that we don't know for sure what happened and maybe we never will. You say we shouldn't say anything until the investigation concludes but if it wasn't for the public outcry there my have never been an investigation. It wasn't until this became a big news story that the Justice Department announced an investigation, more than 3 weeks after the shooting.

Farakkhan is not representative of many people. Chill out man people are allowed to be upset and hold rallies and exercise their free speech. I don't agree with some of what is being said but I do think people have a right to be concerned here. The Stand Your Ground Laws deviates from 100s of years of court precedent that date back to English common law (The Castle Doctrine) so this is a pretty new development in law and is certainly worth being debated when lives are literally at stake.

Don't you think it at least sounds suspicious that an unarmed 17 year old kid would attack a 28 year old man that he didn't even know? Especially when the 28 year old guy was following the kid around with a gun? I admit I don't know all the facts but it sure seems worth looking into a little bit to me.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

I agree, from the few facts being tossed around, it sounds like this Zimmerman guy saw a black guy, harassed him and things got out of control and if that is the case, Zimmerman should go down hard for this.

I don't mind if the law is debated and looked at and then changed a bit to make sure things don't get out of control, but the law didn't kill this guy, the gun didn't kill this guy, Zimmerman killed this guy and if the police failed to do anything they all should go down.

I understand why some are angry...but this story is being exploited by the anti-gun and anti-self defense nuts.
I turned on MSNBC to see what was up today and that dingbat was back on there and she was going nuts on the Republicans over this bill.

I SHOULD have the right to defend myself and my family at all cost without worry of facing prison time or a lawsuit.
If you are a piece of sh!t that likes to attack people you need to know in some states the law abiding innocent people can handle their business.

This reminds me of the Duke Rape case...
When the facts came out, everyone just went on in life.



http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

Waterboard him and we will find out the real story.

My theory on what likely occurred

1. Zimmerman told the cops on 911 about the suspect (and referred to him as an Azzhole and that he "wasnt going to let him get away" this time).

No one knows what "getting away this time means except the paranoid Zimmerman"

2. He follows the kid.

3. He approaches the kid.

4. He tries to intimidate the kid.

5. Kid fights back and embarrasses Zimmerman.

6. Zimmerman's ego takes over, cant handle that a high school kid just put him on his azz and pulls out his hand gun.

7. Kid begs for life.

8. Zimmerman plays executioner.

9. Geraldo is an idiot.

"Insert witty quotation here"

Bronco, I actually agree with you if I had to put a theory down, except for the
Heraldo thing. You might think one is an idiot for making judgements about the hoodie, but can't blame Heraldo for pointing out something thats true.

I agree, from the few facts being tossed around, it sounds like this Zimmerman guy saw a black guy, harassed him and things got out of control and if that is the case, Zimmerman should go down hard for this ~ murf
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excuse me..."and things got out of control" ?? So it was all cool and fun that he saw a black guy and harassed him....but whoops sorry things got out of control and sorry the poor negro is dead?

interesting....

There are thousands of media types covering this story from several different angles and for their own personal agenda. As someone else mentioned...these types are also entertainers and get paid to shock and awe. Dont get sucked in to the crusaders.

You are absolutely correct that there are thousands of murders that dont get the same attention...and 99.9% of it is black on black and people dont care unfortunately..... This was white on black crime and guess what....Racism still sells newspapers! It gets the blood boiling and gets people talking and staying tuned for more info....

Think of the media as the movie producer and you the public buying a ticket to the show. Can I buy you a $12 tub of stale popcorn?

T

I have 4 hoodies.



"Insert witty quotation here"

murf has $200 sneakers...

Well put the hoodie on and walk around with your pants pulled down and someone might think you are a gangsta.

Belichick better be careful, he's likely to end up gunned down on the sidelines one of these days! Ha

Seriously guys, I own like 6 hoodies. They are a comfortable and practical garment WTF?!!?

This whole wearing a hoodie is "thug"-like behavior is nonsense. Every guy I know has at least one hoodie! My dad has bought me hoodies for xmas and birthday presents and trust me, my dad is as white and non-gangsta as possible. How in the F is a hoodie suspicious?

Me thinks it was something besides the hoodie that made this kid look suspicious to this Zimmerman guy, and anyone that blames this kids choice of clothing for him getting shot is an idiot imo. Murf (damn, I can't believe I'm saying this twice in like a week) is right on this one, this Zimmerman guy is the reason Trayvon Martin was killed, not an article of clothing!

(Maybe it was the kid's fault too IF he did something that warranted being shot, but either way this Zimmerman guy gets some blame. The police told you NOT to follow this person, who was not threatening you in any way, but you did anyway and then confronted him. Stupid, stupid, stupid.)

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

If Zimmerman is white so am I! Halleluja! Dude speaks Spanish, is from a mixed background. NY Times called him a white hispanic. Uh, ok. Didn't know that existed. Maybe I'm one too. This is great news!

Agree with all bronco said.

Kid was executed begging for his life. Horrible.

Geraldo Rivera is Gerald Rivera. Race baitor. Decided it was more beneficial to his career to be a Latino. Dirtbag. His mom is Jewish. According to most Orthodox and Conservative authorities, a Jew is a person who has a Jewish mother. Geraldo should honor his good mom and change his name back to what he was given.

Put Zimmerman in burlap sack with rocks, tie it off and toss it in the ocean. Goodbye. Let Al Sharpton tie the bag off. Jesse can push the bag over the edge. Then we can all rest.

I must be raising all my kids as gangstas. All of them have hoodies. Where's the scissors?

I am a 35 year old white man living in a 96 percent hispanic community. I only own sweatshirts with hoods. Nobody has problems with me here. And there are guns here.

It is depressing watching the Jets have success.

b*tch wear is my bulls hoodie?

t

I still wear my "keds redball express" They go well with my Sears Toughskins!



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Stupid Fduckin' Sheep

I don't get the hoodie issue?
Wearing one right now and own about 10 hoodies (only $80.00 nike shoes).

From what I understand of the law and trust me, when it coems to breaking down a law, I am not saying that I am in anyway a profesional here, but it seems that this guy was not following the law.
The law states that you have a right to protect yourself..
If the facts come out the way they are being played out in the media, Zimmerman was not attacked or threatend, he got out of his truck and followed the guy...
The cops should have nailed this idiot that night.
The only way you can say the cops did their job is if there is more to the story that is not being told.

They racist are out in full force.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-case-jesse-jackson-20120323,0,2131299.story

(there is all type of Jesse happy horse sh!t in this article)


http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11778354-wanted-dead-or-alive-poster-issued-for-george-zimmerman-by-new-black-panther-party

Beyond disturbing!

http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

From what I've read, and this is media reports not an official police report that I've seen, ZImmerman claims to be following this kid and lost track of him, then as he was trying to go back to his truck the kid came out of nowhere and attacked him.

If that was his story, he should have been arrested on the spot. It makes no sense to me that a kid you decided to follow that didn't even know you and was unarmed (except a bag of Skittles and an iced tea) would decide to pop out of some bushes and ambush you Rambo style.

It's possible, I guess, but makes no sense whatsoever. What would be the kid's motive?

It seems more likely this guy followed the kid and tried to detain him, then when the kid didn't cooperate a tussle ensued and this kid was shot to death.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

Why was Zimmerman following him in the first place?

Because he was young, black and wearing a Hoodie. Right? For God sake, just say it if that is what you beleive!! (Not directed towards anyone on this board - more to some media members).



"Insert witty quotation here"

"I have 4 hoodies."

Living on the edge lol

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In Memory of Dunn4QB

Bronco, for someone who dismisses evidence that Obama is a radical anti-2nd amendment, you sure fall short of evidence that this was a black thing.

Exactly why I hate this hate crime law.



NY Times called him a white hispanic. Uh, ok. Didn't know that existed... lol, if the black guy shot the hispanic, they would call him a white african-american.

UHg....when Jessee is involved I am turned off immediately. It now becomes a personal agenda for him and that angers me. I am disappointed when I hear him try to quantify it as all blacks are singled out.

I hate discrimination and also hate racial profiling but this is exactly what JJ is doing right now. This is a very rare case where a white/Hispanic shot a black man. I agree this was just a kid and he looks like just a kid....but it is also time for Black America to grow up....pull up your pants ....undo the corn rows,..take off your gold capped tooth, speak proper English or Spanish.
...white/Hispanic America sees far too many gangstas out there....and not enough successful black contributors.... Once we see them then the disparity will subside

T, black America is not going to change, you know why? What they are doing works for them, and works for them well. Why does it work? I point to the same people who think they are helping or standing up for them, some out of good intentions some not, JJ & Al come to mind about the later.

I have no problem with profiling.
It is a common sense tool to protect innocent people against cowards.

It is not a race thing, it is a common sense thing.
White people get profiled all of the time and they should be.
I have profiled an old white man before.

As I said, people need to relax and see what the facts are, not what the media is saying but the facts of the case.


http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

"Waterboard him and we will find out the real story."


May we Waterboard Obama instead--JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT!??!??!?!?

Han Solo: "They didn't even ask me any questions....."

LMAO.


And what I find more ludicrous is that we are paying off the families of Afghans like the United States is settling out of court. LMAO. Sh*t happens in warzones. Just imagine if the US did this same thing in Vietnam. We'd be broke 40-50 years ago.

Thanks Obama's Government for making us into a bunch of f*cking pussies. The world is laughing. We are a laughingstock.

You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

"White people get profiled all of the time and they should be.
I have profiled an old white man before."

What the hell do you profile old white men as? Cranky, Cheap and Stodgy? You don't even work in law enforcement why profile people at all?

Profiling isn't effective, that's why it isn't used. When criminals know what law enforcement are looking for, the smart ones appear to be something else. I don't think you can really tell much about a person's criminality based on how they are dressed, how old they are or what race they are anyway, you have to be smarter than that.

And yes it is also insulting. If you were stopped and asked to show ID for no reason other than your race you wouldn't care for it I'm sure.

I'm don' think your pro-profiling agenda is going to be adopted any time soon Murf sorry.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

"Profiling isn't effective, that's why it isn't used. When criminals know what law enforcement are looking for, the smart ones appear to be something else. I don't think you can really tell much about a person's criminality based on how they are dressed, how old they are or what race they are anyway, you have to be smarter than that."


Yes, profiling DOES work. Every GD cop I've ever talked to says it works and should be used in every day affairs (both relative and friends). I know many cops. 100% of them states it works.

Who the hell are you talking to? This ain't f*cking DisneyObamaLand. This is reality. This is why criminals ARE CAUGHT--because of profiling. It exists. Even when Law Enforcement Agencies Worldwide say it doesn't. That's why they catch who they're looking for. Without it, you wouldn't catch anybody and criminals would roam free.

Why are you f*cking liberals bothered by this? Because it isn't PC? Gimme a break.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

What the hell do you profile old white men as? Cranky, Cheap and Stodgy? You don't even work in law enforcement why profile people at all?
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On my old street my kids were outside playing with other kids and I looked out the window and saw some old white dude sitting in his car watching the kids, so I walked up to his car and asked him what he was doing, and he got all p!ssed off and took off.
I profiled him as a pervert looking to snatch a kid.
I don't know if he was and frankly don't give a fuch what he was, he didn't belong there.

We have had several break ins and cars being fuched up in my area...trust me, we all know each other and we all know who visits who on this street, so if you are on my street right now, you will be asked what you need and I don't give a sh!t who it offends.
I don't care what color, what religion or what you are selling, we are going to watch this street.
Too many hard working folks that don't have the money to replace things that subhuman cowards steal and too many little kids running around to worry about offending anyone.


Profiling isn't effective, that's why it isn't used.
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You truly are dumb...EVERY COP THAT HAS A BADGE PROFILES.
If they don't, they suck as a COP and no, not a single one of them will ever say that they profile b/c the idiots will cry about it.


When criminals know what law enforcement are looking for, the smart ones appear to be something else. I don't think you can really tell much about a person's criminality based on how they are dressed, how old they are or what race they are anyway, you have to be smarter than that.
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The FBI has a profile on every suspect they have ever tried to catch and they use that profile to catch the next guy.
People get paid a ton of money to work on PROFILES and habits of criminals.


And yes it is also insulting. If you were stopped and asked to show ID for no reason other than your race you wouldn't care for it I'm sure.
~~~~~~~~~~
I was pulled over on my way to work...AS A WHITE MAN IN OTR AT 5AM..Hamilton County Patrol.
Gave him my lisc. insurance card and told him where I was going.
Annoyed? Yes...understanding what he was looking for? Yes...


I'm don' think your pro-profiling agenda is going to be adopted any time soon Murf sorry.
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My PROFILING agenda is not an agenda, it is a tool to protect innocent law abiding citizens from cowards.

WOW..
You liberal type have some serious mental issues.

http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

Happened to be at a bar and I asked my two cop buddies (LVMPD) about pro-filing and if it is effective.

Their response - it depends. For the professional criminals and the ones you need to worry about, it doesnt really work. They know how to get around the system.

For the idiots and small timers, yes, it is effective.

Murf, you were/are profiling someone based on behavior. You approached this guy not because he was an "old, white guy," but because he was some stranger hanging out in your neighborhood watching kids play. Makes sense to approach the guy regardless of age, race or anything else. Profiling behavior = yes. I have no problem with treating someone as suspicious for acting suspicious.

Yes, the FBI builds profiles and studies criminal patterns and behavior. What they don't do is say, 'this child was molested and (making these stats up here) white men are statistically the most likely to molest a child so go interview every white guy in a 20 mile radius.' That would not be an efficient way to investigate. Even if most pedophiles are white people, most white people are not pedophiles. I hope you understand this point, because it's important.

Profiling is also not very effective. Put it this way, if you stop every one who looks like they are from the Middle East at the airport to prevent terrorism, don't you think the real terrorists are going to send someone through that looks white? I mean, is it that hard to figure out? I know these terrorists may not be Rhode Scholars here but one thing many criminals are good at is being criminal and thwarting the system.

If you stop every black guy and searched them to see if they are dealing drugs, yeah you will get some more arrests than if you didn't stop anyone. That's just a numbers game though, it doesn't prove the benefits of profiling. By that logic you should just stop everyone and search them, you would definitely catch a lot more people that way. Is that what you want? Any time you increase the reach and power of the police state you will get some more results in catching the bad guys, but so what? Should we just relinquish all our rights then in the name of safety? I don't think many of us would be willing to do that.

Also, stopping and harassing people because of their age, race or some other superficial factor is a blatant violation of 4th amendment protections against unreasonable search. Stopping someone because they fit a specific description is probable cause. Stopping someone because you think someone of their particular age, race or whatever probably committed some crime, even though you actually have no idea who committed the crime, is an unreasonable search. Even if you guessed right about the age/race thing, the particular individual you targeted is just one of many people with that age/race. Again, even if most drug dealers wear hoodies, for example, the vast majority of people wearing hoodies are NOT drug dealers.

For all the screaming about Constitutional rights and Obama exceeding Constitutional authority, it's all a political sham. Most people don't care about Constitutional rights unless it fits their political agenda to care. When it's something that you don't care about/doesn't affect you or especially something that you want, right-wingers are as quick as the left to dismiss the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in favor of legislation they want.

So to recap for you Falc, I'm against profiling because it tips law enforcement's hand to the criminals and it's unconstitutional, NOT because it is politically correct.

I respect that the law enforcement you have talked to tell you it is great and all, but I seriously doubt your claim that 100% of law enforcement think profiling is great. I suspect we might have an actual law enforcement officer on this board in fact who might disagree.


"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

Some good points on both sides of this argument. I would disagree with my friend CIN-C though that profiling doesn't work. I have first hand knowledge that one local Police Dept. has been "ordered" to tail teenagers, especially boys, and check them for wants and warrants as a routine matter. And if you happen to be driving an old, unattractive car in this particular city, you're screwed, glued and tattooed, Dude!

The drivers behavior is immaterial to them, they're profiled because of who they appear to be and because statistically they are most likely to be doing something wrong

...just my two cents.

There is one OBVIOUS problem with the profiling argument.

Zimmerman wasn't a cop.

Herego, he doesnt receive the protections of a cop under any circumstance.



"Insert witty quotation here"

Can anyone tell me what a White Hispanic is? NY Times and CNN are using that term. Never heard it. The only thing I can think of is to say he is not of African decent. I guess there are Hispanic Blacks. Example: Black dudes in the Dominican and Jamaica. Ok, so what is a White Hispanic? Cubans? Are they White Hispanic? How about European-Spaniards? Are they White too? What about descendants of Germans that fled Europe after WWII? Brazilian ladies anyone? Are they Hispanic White? This is so confusing. I think what I am saying is...what does it matter other than to incite anger and divisiveness? They are giving platforms to idiot racists like the new black panther party, truly a bunch of no-good scumbags. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson? Please do not give them a microphone. What is Jesse Jackson's title? Anyone? Beuhler? Al Sharpton...I hope his show is cancelled so he cannot spread his racist views. Hey Mr. Sharpton, have you apologized for the Tawana Brawley lies you spread?

I'm guessing that a white-hispanic is either A) a white person trying to sound more ethnic to shield themselves from charges of being racist, B) a hispanic person trying to avoid being profiled as an illegal immigrant, or C) a term white people apply to other white people they no longer would like to be associated with.

USC, white guilt does exist. When the media found out this guy was not white, they were not going to be stymied by this small detail, so they made up this new ethnicity called white hispanic.

All good points CinCstar but Zimmerman is not the one applying the labels. It is the media that is doing it.

I am Hispanic and have never come across anyone that identifies as White Hispanic. I never use the race card but c'mon man, use of the term needs to be examined and explained by those that use it. Is it they that apply it or are they really coming across people that identify as White Hispanic?

I was actually trying to be funny (and obviously failing) USC3.

My real guess is that it was initially reported by most media that the guy was white, and then it came out that he isn't as white as was reported (I think one parent is white and another Latino).

The media is loathe to admit they are ever wrong about anything, so instead of correcting their mistake they probably just ran with the white-hispanic thing in order to kind of cover their *** and be more accurate without ever having to cop to the fact that they screwed up initially. That's just a guess tho.

The media's reluctance to admit screwing up was also on display when Chris Paul was reportedly traded to the Lakers, and then a day or two later Paul was traded to the Clippers instead. Instead of admitting that they ran with the story too early and were in fact wrong, many media outlets went after David Stern and pushed a theory that he vetoed the trade based on an email from Cavs owner Dan Gilbert and pressure from other owners. It later came out that the email from Gilbert came after the trade was nixed, and there has never been any evidence that a small-market conspiracy had anything to do with it, but some in the media still stick by this theory. It's pretty annoying to be honest. In actuality the deal the Lakers offered would have been a disaster for the Hornets and the Clippers gave them a much better deal, but who cares about that the Stern thing sells better and requires zero accountability from the reporters who blew the story.

Anyway, sorry for the rant but that's my guess.

I dont give a sh!t what color this douchebag was.

He went hunting for black hooligans.
Came up wrong.
Got his clock cleaned by a minor.
And then executed the kid.

Questions? Sounds like probable cause for an arrest.

Let a jury/judge decide if he has the affirmative defense of self-defense.





"Insert witty quotation here"

I think you are pretty much correct CincStar...the sarcasm sort of came through but...

This story is making the media look so foolish. Looks like the kid, all 6-2 of him was the one doing the beating. He may have approached Zimmerman after the cops told George to not follow him. Yes, Zimmerman was carrying the weapon. Maybe the kid was on top of him and felt the weapon and their was a struggle for the gun...

Question: Why doesn't the New Black Panther Party have any problem with Black guys killing Black guys? That is the majority of murders in the Black community. Nothing is said. A Black kid is shot and killed and its Whitey's fault even though Whitey has nothing to do with it.

bronco, you should take the case pro bono. I like your anger.

This is not good news for Treyvon Martin supporters:

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1939/020/Was_Trayvon_Martin_a_Drug_Dealer.html

I dont give a sh!t what color this douchebag was.

He went hunting for black hooligans.


Evidence please....
Bronco, all things aside, would you convict this man of a hate crime?

I like how the media keeps showing the picture of the smiling ten year old wearing a football uniform, lol, thats just to encourage and incite the weak minded. Wonder how many thug pictures they had to go through to find that one.

I dont care if he was red blooded Crip from South Central.

He was walking down the street minding his own business eating skittles and drinking ice tea. No reason to approach him. No reason to bother him. Zimmerman told the police something to the effect that "I'm not letting this azzhole get away".

Cops told him not to follow, not to bother him.
The guy had a history of paranoia.
Are you fukkers really defending this piece of sh!t?

Let him go in front of a jury of his peers. Lets see what happens.
If the jury acquits, so be it. At least he went through the process.

No, I dont think there is enough for Hate Crime here.





"Insert witty quotation here"

I agree Bronco..if the guy is guilty of breaking the law.
If the witness proclaims that this young man attacked him, then he had every right to defend himself.

Is Zimmerman guilty of being a world class azzhole?
YES..
Is Zimmerman guilty of racial profiling?
YES..

But to charge him to just shut the rebel rousers up should be alarming to every single law abiding citizen in this country.
That is telling everyone, hey, we will toss this guy in jail for life if it keeps racist self proclaimed black leaders silent for a a couple days.

The halo is started to look rusted on this media angel.


http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

Juries are known to acquit in cases similar to this.

Signed,

Rodney King

"But to charge him to just shut the rebel rousers up should be alarming to every single law abiding citizen in this country.
That is telling everyone, hey, we will toss this guy in jail for life if it keeps racist self proclaimed black leaders silent for a a couple days."

Nope, I said let a judge/jury decide. There is enough probable cause here.
Charging someone is not "tossing someone in jail for life".

If they acquit, they acquit. But let a jury decide.
You should always bring charges if probable cause exists.



"Insert witty quotation here"

It's a little uncomfortable for me share some ground with Murf, but I'm with him on most of his last comments.

I'll still reserve total judgment on the case, because I don't know all the facts, and no one on this board does.

However, I'm starting to see a plausible picture framed along these lines: Zimmerman is an azzhole, cop wannabe and likely does have some racist instincts. He also may have been on a bit of an adrenaline rush and wanted to have his adventure.

So he couldn't just follow the dispatcher's advice to disengage. He had to keep living his cowboy dream, tailed Martin just a tad too close and an encounter ensued.

If all that's true, Zimmerman is an azz. But if all that's true, including the part of him being a racist, the game changes completely at the point he's attacked.

We don't have the privilege of attacking someone that is on our property and staring at us or even insulting us, unless we can articulate that we were physically threatened by that person. Being on a subdivision street doesn't change those dynamics at all.

If the kid was upset that Zimmerman was trailing him or even if the kid was upset that Zimmerman made a racial remark to him (which may have happened, especially since I saw a report that he used the word "coon" in describing Martin to the dispatcher) the kid still had absolutely zero cause to start swinging.

Again, I don't know if that's what happened and I'm not claiming that's what happened. But now a seemingly unbiased witness has made media statements that he observed Martin beating Zimmerman and heard Zimmerman yelling for help.

I wish the investigating PD would have done a better job of evidence collection (not securing Zimmerman's shirt for blood spatter analysis was indefensible) but....Zimmerman, by Florida Law, was entitled to tail Martin, even if it was a stupid decision and one made with a disgusting motivation of cowboyitis and racist overtones. Based on the totality of the circumstances and Florida Law, I can definately understand why no murder or even assault charges were filed on Zimmerman in the immediate aftermath.

OK, now that I have to shower by admitting so much common ground with Murf, I have to also counter that this narrative about "The Media" is typical garbage. The incident happened. People protested and are protesting It's news. It gets reported.

It's the media who have also reported leaked PD reports about Zimmerman's self defense claims. It's the media (at least CNN) who has also interviewed on site and character witnesses who have spoken on Zimmerman's behalf.

The attack-the-media ploy is baseless. It's like a Pavlonian response from the victim wannabes on the right.

That said, I don't doubt there will continue to be some victim wannabes on the far left who are prone to rushing to judgment and over-reaction.

Zimmerman may have been a doltish racist. Martin may have been a hothead with a chip on his shoulder. I'm betting the media as a whole will report that facts as they develop...that's most always the case.

"If the kid was upset that Zimmerman was trailing him or even if the kid was upset that Zimmerman made a racial remark to him (which may have happened, especially since I saw a report that he used the word "coon" in describing Martin to the dispatcher) the kid still had absolutely zero cause to start swinging."

Hook, I may be wrong here and you are certainly have more legal expertise than me (maybe one of the lawyers here can help me out), but haven't The Supremes ruled that there are such things as "fighting words?" I'm not saying he did, but hypothetically if you were threatening someone, using racial slurs at them, etc. would that be grounds to "start swinging?"

Obviously it seems like it is his word against a dead man's (I haven't heard of this unbiased witness surfacing I haven't been following that closely), but isn't the "your-word-against-a-dead-man's the kind of thing we don't want? Evidence should have been collected, at a minimum the guy should have been more closely investigated, etc. If there is any reason to suspect foul play (and I think there is) I don't see why he shouldn't face a judge and possibly a jury, unless you just don't have faith in the legal system. This case seems to involve a relatively fine point of a very recent Florida law, and when a minor is shot to death walking back from the store why not let a judge determine how the law applies rather than local police (no offense to local police)?

Homey, Your thug pictures comment is frankly disgusting. They've been using that picture of him because it was provided to the media by family and it resonates because two parents lost their child. That's a huge part of why this case is so huge. The fact that you don't understand that and only see this as a "black" issue seems very telling of your views on society in general.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

"Question: Why doesn't the New Black Panther Party have any problem with Black guys killing Black guys? That is the majority of murders in the Black community. Nothing is said."

You guys are insane! Stop the noise! Every known murder in this country gets reported by the media, I guarantee it. This argument that no one cares about black-on-black crime is baloney! They report it. All the time. Even in New York City a murder is a story. There is a pretty obvious difference here and if you can't see it you must not be looking very hard.

Get back to me when a black guy shoots another black guy and then they just let it go and the guy goes home, and oh yeah, one where he (apparently) doesn't have any witnesses to back up his claim and the guy he killed had no motive to attack. And oh yeah make the victim a kid, and the guy that shot him a man who was following the kid he didn't know. You are comparing apples and oranges my friend. You're right that black-on-black crime maybe doesn't get reported enough, but that's because it happens every day. This happens like this one time that I can recall.

Remember: Dog bites man is not a story; Man bites dog is a HUGE story. The biggest media bias isn't blue or red, it's green.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

"one where he (apparently) doesn't have any witnesses to back up his claim "

wrong.

Cinci, I'm not arguing that Zimmerman shouldn't be indicted. And I'm totally admitting the police did a lousy job of crime scene management.

But I don't see enough evidence released yet to safely say there's probable cause that a murder occurred. Again, to ironically counter the anti-media rhetoric expressed by other thread posters, there are actually a couple of profound points of evidence reported by the media that serve Zimmerman: His wounds, his screams for help and an impartial witness's statement that Zimmerman was being beat up a few seconds before the shooting.

Hey, I'm uneasy about the Stand-your-Ground law as it's apparently written in Florida. The law was not needed to protect innocent people who were being attacked (or even who had reasonable grounds to believe they were at risk of attack).

But the law is the law. Zimmerman was lawfully allowed to be an idiot and follow this kid.

As for fighting words like racial epithats (and I'm only speculating that Zimmerman used them): I don't know what the law is in Florida, but in Ohio that defense doesn't work. If you swing at someone in Ohio, you're breaking the law unless you were defending yourself from an actual attack or have reason to believe you were subject to a pending attack.

Zimmerman could have acted like a bozo racist and I certainly am open to the idea that he was an idiot zealot. That doesn't make it lawful to swing at him in Ohio and I doubt if it does in Florida.

If someone walks across your yard and you insult his race or religion, and that incites him to swing at you, and you then fear for your life and then shoot him, you're a despicable bigot who lawfully defended yourself. I don't know if that's the equivalent of what happened or not. Unfortunately for the investigators of this case, I suspect they couldn't make that distinction either, at least not in the immediate aftermath of the event.

You can be penalized for acting like a racist azzhole. But a judge won't give you the death penalty for it. So you can't lawfully respond with serious physical harm to someone for his merely being a racist bozo (and again, I'm not saying that Martin did that, but prosecutors would have to prove that he didn't.)

If Zimmerman challenged the kid into a physical altercation on the street and then the kid defended himself, prompting Zimmerman to pull a gun and shoot like a bitch, then please let me be the one to administer lethal injection to Zimmerman. But, so far, I see no such evidence that was the scenario, even from that imaginary press that supposedly is in the tank for Martin.

Fair enough Hook I appreciate your insight.

Homey, the "apparently" was in reference to the fact that people got mad BEFORE the witness came forward, or at least that's how it's been reported.

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

CINC, this clip is from you. I'm sure bronco would approve of the source:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/03/27/exp-erin-trayvon-debate.cnn

Racebaitor Roland Martin is OWNED by CL Bryant. Black Conservatives Rock.

More CL Bryant

http://www.runawayslavemovie.com/site/

"If you swing at someone in Ohio, you're breaking the law unless you were defending yourself from an actual attack or have reason to believe you were subject to a pending attack.

Zimmerman could have acted like a bozo racist and I certainly am open to the idea that he was an idiot zealot. That doesn't make it lawful to swing at him in Ohio and I doubt if it does in Florida."

So if you are 17 and black and some psycho dude is following you with a crazed adrenaline filled look on his face, approaching you with racist rants and you fear he is going to attack you cause he is a whack job, you gonna let him swing first? IF (thats a big if cause I dont know the facts) the kid was scared shiitless casue he was being tracked down by a racist whack job and he decided to fight after intially trying the flight method, then it was OK for Zimmerman to kill him?

All I know is that if Zimmerman backed off initially and Martin did not attack, then he ain't dead. Clearly Zimmerman's actions started this chain and not vice-versa.

Let me change the facts for you. Your son is walking down the street minding his own fukkin business in an area of town he is not that familiar with. A black "thug" is following him with a menancing look on his face and asking him, "what the fukk you doin here cracker?" "Get the fukk outt here motherfukker." Your son starts to walk faster only to be followed faster till he is scared out of his wits and when the thug gets within arms length he drills him only to be plugged by the thug. You OK with that?

Sorry but I responded to this prior to reading your entire post. You went on to state:

"So you can't lawfully respond with serious physical harm to someone for his merely being a racist bozo (and again, I'm not saying that Martin did that, but prosecutors would have to prove that he didn't.)"

Actually, self defense is Martin's defense, something HE would have to prove. The prosecutor only has to show that Zimmermann killed him. Zimmerman has to prove his defense. If Zimmerman claimed self defense, the prosecution's counter to that defense would be that Martin feared for his safety by Zimmerman's actions and rightfully initiated force. However, the prosecutor could simply put on evidence that an unarmed kid was shot and then Zimmerman has to prove the facts for self-defense. If he is able to convince 12 that such was the case OK but he should be tried. Afterall self defense is a DEFENSE, the prosecution doesn't have to disprove it before a conviction can be had.

Investigator came out today and said he should be charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide.

AG's office is saying no right now.



"Insert witty quotation here"

Interesting. I am not sure why there is such a rush to charge this guy. Can we not sort out all of the facts first?

By all means charge him if the facts bear it out, but do not charge a person just to satiate the masses.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

Manslaughter may not even stick.

Enjoying watching all the fools in Washington DC on the floor of the House.

The left thrives on hatred. Demonization is the food.

Divide by income, divide by gender, divide by race.

Dacow, I've long had the assumption that you and I share most, if not all, opinions that are idealogical-based. I suspect we do hear as well, but the topic is so red hot, it's sometimes difficult to stay focused.

I absolutely believe that Martin would have been lawful to swing if he had reasonable believe that he was in danger of physical harm. I tried to make that clear, but perhaps I didn't.

But Martin did not have lawful reason to swing if he was annoyed by an idiot tailing him. I'm totally admitting that I don't know what happened or even which scenario is most likely.

But to prosecute a case in the United States, the system is set up that you have to prove guilt. If a juror has any reasonable doubt whatsoever that Zimmerman didn't intend a physical attack, that prosecution is doomed.

I completely buy the notion that Zimmerman is a scum bucket and no doubt a cowboy wannabe racist. But he can't be lawfully struck on the street because those traits made him rude or annoying.

I don't know what happened. But I think it's plausible that Zimmerman was an azzhole and Martin was a hothead who over-reacted to some race baiting.

I have been watching MSNBC over the past week just for my pure entertainment and they have not only exploited this story, but they have tried several times to link Romney in this mess.

Cinci--you are not understanding the conversation.
Of course the media reports a shooting or a murder, but where is the outrage for that murder?
Where is Jesse/Al/Shabaz and good ol racist azz clown Louis when yet another black man is killed?
A 4 year baby was shot last week..no Black Panther party placing a bounty on the head of the shooter, no comments from Obama or Holder and no idiot pictures of the mayor claiming to be any of the dead black men in Cincinnati.
The media used that 5 year old picture to portray Mr. Martin as a child...he was on facebook with tons of pictures, so please stop that happy horse sh!t.
The media also claimed that Zimmerman was a white man...wrong!
So they tried to say that he is a white Hispanic, b/c a Hispanic killing a black man is not the same type of hype as a white man.


A 13 year old white kid was just followed him from school and several black teens beat him and poured gas on him and then lit him on fire as they repeated racial slurs to him.
Where is the outrage?

In Cincinnati 6 black teens caved a white teens head in after school for just walking down the side walk..where is the outrage?
Where is MSNBC?

So tell me that we are watching fair and unbalanced coverage over this issue.
The liberals got naked and started high fiving each other b/c they believe they can change the protection law back in favor of the cowards.
The race baiters and self proclaimed leaders need these type of stories to pretend that they are needed.

As for the case...
You know for a fact that they will come up with someone to charge him with.
If he is guilty, light his azz up.

http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

Most victims of race crimeabout 90 per centare white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.

Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.




Yea these stats are old, but do you really think more recent stats would hold anything different? Please someone tell me why I shouldn't be concerned with these stats and the census bureau projections of demographics.

.."I absolutely believe that Martin would have been lawful to swing if he had reasonable believe that he was in danger of physical harm. I tried to make that clear, but perhaps I didn't."

No you did but i didn't read the whole post before replying. My point is that if Martin did "attack," I would assume he was at least provoked given what we know Zimmerman did before the shot. Self defense to a crime is just that, a defense. Zimmerman would have to likely take the stand to assert that, unless a reliable eyewitness saw the whole thing. He would have "lots of splainin to do." The prosecution does not have to disprove self defense, they would have to overcome the defense after the defense put on evidence for self defense. Given the facts from 911 call that we know, it certainly appears Zimmerman was on somewhat of a rampage, without what police would need as probable cause. He may have a tough sell on self defense.

Murf...do you have any links....?

I thought Zimmerman was beaten up by Martin?

Judge for yourself.
He looks fine to me.

http://globalgrind.com/news/trayvon-martin-video-shows-no-blood-or-bruises-george-zimmerman-video

"Insert witty quotation here"

Links to what?

Bronco...
I watched that video last night on MSNBC..
Several things here, NO, he did not look like he had just been in a fight.
BUT and something that ED and his circus of clowns he had on, refused to even mention is that Zimmerman was treated at the scene by paramedics, so I am not sure we can say that this video is a clear and definitive piece of evidence against Zimmerman's claims.

The disgraceful actions by ABC/MSNBC and many other media outlets need to be addressed.
The criminal behavior by racist groups like the black panthers need to be taken care of.
If someone is injured over this case, everyone of those idiots in Congress that are fueling the flames should face charges.



http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

Murf...the links to the 4 year old and to the kid doused in gasoline........

Do you not have google?
LOL

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120320/NEWS01/120320027/4-year-old-shot-Avondale


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-get-what-you-deserve-white-boy-13-year-old-set-on-fire-in-horrific-racially-charged-attack/


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9173820/Parents-of-murdered-British-students-criticise-Barack-Obama.html



http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-30/news/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-al-sharpton-20120330_1_civil-disobedience-national-action-network-national-association


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/30/Hoodie-Wearing-Gunmen-Kill-1-Wound-5-in-Rushs-Chicago-District


http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/dnc-committeewoman-promotes-hoodie-rally-voter-registration-on-scene/

Anymore? LOL

I love the fact that Zimmerman is a democrat..

Another day passes without Holder or Obama denouncing the Black Panther party and the bounty placed on Zimmerman.
How can anyone vote for these clowns?


http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

Wow....you pulled a article from the Blaze? Are you seriously being serious? That's one step above The Onion....

..............

Police in Kansas City are investigating a possible hate crime after a 13-year-old boy was doused in gasoline and set on fire. According to Allen Goins mother, the attack occurred just as her son was getting home from school. She said, They rushed him on the porch as he tried to get the door openone of them poured gasoline, then flicked the Bic and said, This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve white boy.

The police say the boy was engulfed in a large fireball, but was able to beat out the flames to call 911 and his father. In addition to suffering first degree burns, he has lost his eyebrows, eyelashes, and part of the skin on his face. There is also long-term concern about his eyes and lungs.

The family intends to move out of fear that the attackers went to their sons school, which KMBC reports he will not return to. Melissa Coon, the boys mother, said her youngest son, 5, asked her, Mom, am I going to get set on fire today?

I was in tears, she said.
..............

The moms last name is coon....come on man. The kid doesn't even know who his attackers were or if they went to his school....and there is nothing about him getting beat up....typical fear mongering. The reason is wasn't picked up because it's BS.

What's your address so I can tweet it

T

Who cares if he is a Democrat?

Who cares if he is a hispanic/latino/white/Jew/ect?


Murf, you can post 100 links, it doesn't matter. Our country doesnt' have a systemic problem of white victims getting screwed by the cops in affluent areas.

Our country DOES have a history of law enforcement not investigating crimes or badly investigating crimes involving victims who are black people. You ever notice Nancy Grace and Sean Hannity never have portions of their show where a black kid from the ghetto goes missing? LOL. But, if Suzy Suburb goes missing, her facde is plastered on every news channel until her body is found. This Trayvon case didnt get in the media until a month later. And only because the parents would affluent and able to manipulate media outlets. Dont think for a second this would be as big if his parents were poor.

This isnt "White Guilt" or whatever catch phrase Mike Savage or Glenn Beck put into your skulls. Its reality. Dont beleive me? Ask black folks.

As a white person, I have never had problems with the police because of the color of my skin. When I fukked up, I got arrested or I got pulled over. I might bitch at the time, but it was my fault. I can admit that.

Its not the same for black people. They get pulled over and arrested for NOTHING. Dont believe me? Ask a black kid at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Penn or Brown. Those kids arent your usual thugs. Ask those guys if they have EVER been pulled over and given a hard time by a cop for NO REASON AT ALL. Im guessing he will tell you it has happened at least 5 times if not more.

You white people that complain about reverse racism kill me. Like it has ever affected you. Like it ever will affect you. LOL. You have never been disenfranchised because your color. You have never lost a job because of your color. You have never failed to get a promotion because of your color. You have never not been allowed to lease an apartment because of your color. You have never been not allowed to date a girl because of your color. Reverse racism, my azz.

Read a history book and learn some fukking perspective. Understand that slavery created a semi-permanent black underclass. Jim Crow, the KKK segregation and discrimination only extended it. If you dont get that, then you are a fukking moron. You cant enslave 95% of a race in a country, deprive them of eduction, deprive them of etiquette, deprive them of socialization and then one day, set them free and expect them to assimilate and be like the rest of us overnight. This is a generational problem. The slaves didnt understand to value education. Therefore, their kids wont and their kids wont and their kids wont. Sure you have exceptions to the rule. The same was true in my classrooms growing up. Some kids do better than others despite having less.

Even Thomas Jefferson said it would take 200 years for this country to get rid of the effect of slavery once we decide to end it. Right now, we are about 150 years in.





"Insert witty quotation here"

So what you are saying is that the majority of black people have been held down by the man?
The majority of black people don't have a proper education b/c grandma didn't have an education?
The majority of black people never get promoted?
The majority of black people don't get a lease on an apartment?
The majority of black people get pulled over and arrested for nothing?
The majority of black people are profiled?

You are smarter than this Bronco, you are making it too easy.











http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

Yeah Bronco come on, put down the books, turn on the radio and learn something. Hahahaha.

Thats how murf got his constitutional law degree, phd in theology and he also received a phd in all the sciences. However his concentration is in disproving much smarter, more educated people of there findings that they have spent the majority of their lives studying.


All through the power of talk radio and cable news stations. LOL!! Silly republican.

I can answer for him.... yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes........

When you roll thru a white neighborhood with your windows down.....do you roll them up or lock your doors? You sure do when you go through the black neighborhood don't you. When you get on an elevator with a black guy...I bet you ask yourself is this guy going to mug me.....I can go on....the black man is always profiled. I work in a large corp.... I see the blacks looked down on from bottom to top.

When I lived in Chicago my neighbor was black and his security deposit was double ours.....

Driving while black..... Trooper can chime in on this one...

T

Yo T--can you list all the Black on White Crimes ever committed, please? Be fair. Right now you look very out of touch with reality.

YOU CAN'T CAN YA?

And why is that? Because there's not enough space on Network54.com's Domain to fill in that blank.

Give it a rest, T.

I can't believe this thread is still going. I guess the irony is that I just added to this mess.

Once again, it is liberals vs. conservatives (like you couldn't see that one coming).

CAN WE GET ALL THE EVIDENCE BEFORE WE START JUDGING THIS SH*T?

I have a feeling that when we do "get it all", I'm feeling that the media will twist it so they can make things interesting or make it a hate crime--instead of what it was--one guy wondering what another guy was doing in his neighborhood. The other guy getting pissed off about being asked about it. Then the 1st guy allegedly defending himself while being attacked while backpeddling. ALLEGEDLY.

One guy is dead. That is a tragedy. It could have been avoided is another tragedy. All dude had to answer was "I'm going to go see my friends right there".

This is nothing new, my friends. I will give you an example.

I know you guys know where I am originally from. PODUNK, OH. Back in the late 1980s, the town doctor adopted 2 Blacks from Africa or Jamaica or whatever. The fact is that they were black--and there weren't any in my town at the time. THE TOWN SHERIFF DETAINED THEM FOR QUESTIONING. Just think if this happened in 2012. Yahoo f*cking news would make it a heyday. CNN would be reporting it 24/7 until you were beyond sick of it.

Reality is what reality is, people. Get a grip. Move on. Answer the f*cking question. And respect the other person. Then forgive them for being an azzhole.

That's my 2 f*cking cents.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

C'mon T, you are smarter than that.


As for when of if Zimmerman is facing charges...
#1 If found not guilty, riots in every major city with mass looting.
No matter what the evidence provides, this situation has been allowed to get out of hand, the fuel is there, only takes a mindless idiot to set it a blaze.

#2 If found guilty, maybe a few conspiracy theories tossed out there, but nobody is going to care much b/c this country has become a prison b!tch to political correctness, so if you believe he was innocent, you will be called a racist.

#3 Jesse and AL can sit back and ignore thousands of black on black murders until the next great tragedy... apparently it is only a tragedy when someone that is not black kills a black man.


http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

Falc....you should know better that I and most on here won't acknowledge you.....

Murf- I disagree that it will lead to rioting...in fact I don't think it will lead to his arrest nor do I think it should because it appears a lot of things were mishandled initially and the DA has to know he doesn't have a case even under pressure.

But to back up....you want to question my intellect to make me feel or look like I'm missing the boat when in fact you are missing it..... This not in same class as B on B crime. This was merely a young kid doing nothing wrong with no weapons...unless you think skittles are dangerous....who defended himself from an overzealous wanna be cop and got shot for it. Now he is dead and you will never get his side of the story.

This has nothing to do with left or right....

Bronco brought up great point..... Why is Sally Suburb plastered on every tv when she missing but lil ghetto Tyrone gets ignored....?

Because the media knows we don't care and it doesnt sell..... And yes I am guilty of it as well.... And I see why the Black community is in an uproar....yes they get pissed at the othe violence but stuff like this sends them over the edge.

Put yourself for one minute n their shoes and think about it......put yourself in those shoes that were stolen from you.

T

I am not questioning your intelligence or Bronco's, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of Bronco's rant.
If I had come on here and stated that most black people don't have an education or that the majority of the black population is poor or act like thugs, you guys would have had a field day calling me a racist.
So when I read Al Sharpton type of comments like that, I have to sit back and laugh b/c on one hand it would be racist for me to say things like that, but acceptable in some minds to use that same type of stereo typing to make excuses for bad behavior.


I am not defending Zimmerman or calling for his head b/c like everyone else in the world, I don't know the facts of the case besides what has been twisted and distorted in the media.

I have a problem with the liberals exploiting this situation.
I have a problem with the liberal media exploiting this situation.
I have a problem with Jesse and Al exploiting this situation.
I have a HUGE problem with members in Congress behaving like morons over this situation.
I have a HUGE problem with Eric Holder ignoring blatant violations of a Federal law by a racist hate group..(again)
I have a HUGE problem that the President rushed to make a comment about this case before the facts have been provided.
I have a HUGE problem with the fact that this is only a tragedy b/c a black man did not pull trigger.



http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

Listen closely to what they are crying out for...including BO... "we are Treyvon Martin" meaning they have all been at one time in TM's shoes as they were profiled and stereotyped and some overzealous non black (ok mostly white) person (ok cop) questioned their motives when simply doing nothing wrong.

The hoodies and outrage are calling attention to the stereotypes we place on the black community.

T

"Its not the same for black people. They get pulled over and arrested for NOTHING. Dont believe me? Ask a black kid"

lol, for someone who says he is carful about his sources, he is getting his info from a bunch of black guys. Foxnews? disallowed, but these black guys over here, well ok.

I hear what they are saying, and I have been with a group of black guys when cops walked past 30 other people to see what we were doing in a parking lot filled with people doing the same exact thing, but what many refuse to look at it is why a black man would be profiled before a white guy.

Perception is everything.
You can't govern thought (some liberals would love that) but no matter how hard you try, people will fall back on perception first.





http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/31/2-dead-12-hurt-in-mass-shooting-in-north-miami/

On the same day as a march for justice.


http://www.katu.com/news/national/7-California-boys-arrested-in-attack-on-teen-145286335.html

Where is the national outrage?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/mob-of-hundreds-of-black-youths-beat-white-people-in-racial-attack.html

just another story ignored by the national media

http://www.freedom-won.net/black-youths-attack-white-man-eating-in-diner-with-black-friend/531479/

What no outrage? Guy is beaten for eating with a black man

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/09/15/motive-unclear-in-attack-by-group-of-teens-on-16th-street-mall/

Another example of why people would profile black youths

So stop pretending that this has anything to do with sh!t from 50-60-70 years ago.


http://murf-seriously.blogspot.com/

It is quite clear neither of us will see the others viewpoint on this topic.

T

Homey, I want to be a clear. I want to make sure I understand your point.

It is your opinion that black people do not get pulled over by the police when they have have done nothing wrong (as compared to white people).

Or are you conceding this point, but are upset that I base my opinion on conversations I have with friends that are black? In essence, that their particular point of reference is inherently faulty and not appropriate based on my critcism of FOXNEWS?

Would it change your mind if I told you that the black men I referred to are either attorneys or members of the Air Force out here in Vegas? Do you discount their personal and real experiences?





"Insert witty quotation here"

Uh-oh, no signs of a fight. Plot thickens.

Looks like the funeral director said he prepared Martin's body and there is no evidence of a fight (bullet hole excluded here).

S-H-A-D-Y

"Insert witty quotation here"

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/neighbor-defends-george-zimmerman-03302012

Bronco, are you doing side work for MSNBC?
For every story to make the guy look like he just killed someone for no reason, there is story saying the opposite.

NBC is even investigating itself for twisting the facts and flat out lying about this case.

Ever been in a fight were you did not get hit much?
Ever been in a fight that you got hit a bunch and the evidence of that did not show up for a few days?

The rush to judgement in todays society needs to stop.
Everyone is against people in prison that are innocent.
The liberals have a bunch of programs to free people that they believe are innocent, but it seems that the majority of the liberals following this case, just want this guy in jail no matter what.

just another example of a knee jerk reaction b/c you fell for the race baiters and generic media creating a buzz.


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Bronco, you seem to be able to make a simple statement into some complicated contention. I'm just saying, you strike down Murf's sources yet reference your "black guy" sources.

As far as the police, maybe Hook can chime in if police pull over blacks for no reason. I am not going to make an absolute statement, I am sure it happens, but I do not believe its an epidemic. After all, look at some of the racism charges. Tea party? Ok if you don't like their politics, but to say they are racists, well, you can't keep going to the well, it will eventually dry up.

I am a minority, and have never perceived racism.

....murf is a minority too. He's 100% Irish and 90% moron. (J/k murf its just so much fun. When are we gonna meet for some drinks?)

I do discount personal experiences. Ad hoc evidence is not evidence.

I am very willing to accept, either pro or con, a source that can point to a data set sufficiently large to avoid sampling error.

The danger in taking a person, or a group of people you know is that small sample can be skewed by local anomalies.

My sources are straight up news stories.
LOL


Dacow..anytime you want to have beer..



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I'm ready for a beer too. I'm thinking we should set up a texas death match between Murf and Hook in a giant cattle tub filled with green jell-o.....


...umm. nevermind... scratch that...

image come out!!! image come out!!!

Let me be clear.

I dont want him in jail. I want a trial.
The outrage in this case is not really about Zimmerman going to prison, its about the police bumbling the initial investigation.



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Bronco,

Don't you mean you want him tried if there is sufficient evidence for a grand jury to indict him?

I think a huge problem in this case is people wanting an arrest and trial before the investigation is complete.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

I don't know if a grand jury will indict him or not. But it probably doesn't matter because the Justice Dept. has already inserted itself into the fray. And with the racist liar Eric Holder at the helm it's a foregone conclusion that federal charges await.

It looks like thar's gonna be a fair trial followed by a first class hangin'.

Totally with Bronco on the Police bungling the original investigation. Blood spatter analysis is a vital element of crime scene management. That Zimmerman's shirt wasn't taken into evidence is astonishing.

That said, this general narrative about media and politicians persecuting Zimmerman is garbage. Once upon a time, the label of phony victims was perhaps mostly owned by some of the civil rights crowd. That mantle is now totally owned by the right wing zealots.

I'm not saying that some victim wannabes still don't show up on the left. But their voices are drowned out by right.

If Zimmerman is guilty, he got a break from some shoddy police work. If he's not innocent of murder, it's going to require some sophisticated evidence to convict him (such as voice analysis of the screams). A jury of his peers isn't going to convict Zimmerman of murder with what we know from media coverage of the few witnesses.

As mentioned earlier, I'm totally with the narrative that Zimmerman was a zealot that couldn't back off when the dispatcher advised him to back off. The Stand Your Ground Law as it's apparently written in Florida didn't merely give Zimmerman the right for self defense (another phony narrative, because we all have that right anyway) but it did give him legal wiggle room to stupidly and recklessly initiate a contact and not be responsible for some extreme outcomes.

There's a lot to process in this tragic story. And it's an important story. But processing it doesn't make Zimmerman (and through him or by extension of him right wing America) a victim of media bias.

It remains to be seen if he's indicted or even convicted by a jury of his peers. But if he goes into the hot seat, he has one to blame but himself. His idiocy brought him the scrutiny.

By the way, Homey, I'm struggling to respond to your question about racial profiling on traffic stops. I couldn't and won't speak for anyone but myself, but I have to admit that I over-analyze on probable cause before I initiate a traffic stop on someone that I know to be a minority. I don't even want a whisper of controversy.

Obama originally said this was local matter, and should be handled locally.

I wonder why that is no longer applicable.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

"Don't you mean you want him tried if there is sufficient evidence for a grand jury to indict him?"

Yep. And there is. At least of some sort of homicide. The DA needs to grow a set of balls.



"Insert witty quotation here"

A dead body at the hands of another person is not enough for a grand jury indictment.



There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

Hook

That was very well stated.

T

Trooper--

Why are you so dead set against the facts of media bias?
Do you not pay attention or do you believe most of the twisted facts from the media?
NBC just flat out cut part of the audio to make Zimmerman sound like a racist lunatic.
MSNBC has done everything under the sun to convict this guy and even cutting off interviews with people that don't agree with their so called facts of the case.
They showed the video of Zimmerman getting out of the car at the station for about 5 hours straight last and kicked and screamed that he didn't have a single mark on him that showed evidence of a fight, knowing that there was evidence of a fight but they refused to show the enhanced video that clearly showed signs of a fight.
Did they retract? LOL
MSNBC is the lowest form of news on the planet.
Al Jazeera with Baghdad Bob as the anchor is more credible than those clowns.

It is disgraceful.

As far as the wannabe victims on the right.
If you sit back and allow the liberals to constantly attack your gun rights without a fight, then we all are in trouble.
The liberals jumped on this case to attack gun laws.
The rebel rousers jumped on this case b/c it has been awhile since they have felt needed.
The media jumped on this case b/c it was thought to be a white on black issue, then they had to back track and then tried to cover their azz by calling him a white hispanic.

The chances of this guy getting a fair trial is about the same chances of me cashing in the winning lotto from last week.

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Zimmerman: This guy looks like hes up to no good. He looks black.
And here is how it actually went down:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like hes up to no good. Or hes on drugs or something. Its raining and hes just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.



Fair and balanced with no bias?
LOL

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Murf, I give you credit for always being rather funny but you shouldn't humiliate yourself further by latching on to the word fact. Your prolific history of rants have always featured your lack of facts.

I've been pretty consistent here that I'm not ready to believe (or not believe) that Zimmerman is guilty of murder. The reason that I've been that consistent is that I've simply been watching a lot of media coverage.

Just yesterday, I watched detailed photo enhanced commentary from the salleyport videos that seemed to show Zimmerman did have a substantial wound. That video and analysis came from the media.

Just about a week ago, I heard Martin's dad complaining that the media was slanting its coverage in defense of Zimmerman. I'm a touch reluctant to classify a grieving father as the same kind of victim as a ranting neocon. But there's an uncomfortable and ironic overlap.

We now have pro and anti Zimmerman voices complaining that the media is unfairly attacking or defending. On balance, that's about as illustrative as anything that they are doing their job and that you are, once again, a factless, ranting victim.

I just gave you evidence..lol

I have done nothing but provide evidence of liberal media bias.
I have done nothing but provide others real stories that the media and apparently your fantasy lover refuses to cover like they are covering this story.

My opinion is that Zimmerman is an azzhole but I yet been provided any evidence of murder or even manslaughter, if they provide that evidence then he can sit in jail for the rest of his life.
I am not defending him or trying to send him to jail and that has been my point the entire time.

For you to sit back and not see the generic journalism of the liberal media is hilarious.
You either flat out refuse to see it, or you are so warped nothing they do will ever shed light.

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http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-case-4-things-media-got-wrong-130500344.html

NBC's edit was particularly egregious and designed to make Zimmerman look like a racist. I have seen many members of the media just announce Zimmerman was a racist like it is foregone conclusion.

This is why I have been decrying this rush to judgment. But some members of this bored want him to be arrested and face trial on an incomplete record.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

The lie promulgated by NBC is egregious and someone needs to lose their job over there.

However, I still have problems:

1. Why did he call 911 in the first place? (Zimmerman).

2. Why approach the kid at all? (He is a rent a cop).

3. What is it about wearing a Hoody that is so problematic?

4. Who calls 911 46 times in 8 years (unless you work in a bar)?

5. Why did he get out of the vehicle?

6. Why does this guy think he is a real cop? (He is not)

7. Explain the witnesses that heard a younger person begging for his life?

8. Explain the friend of Trayvonn who was talking to him before this happened and said Trayvon was concerned because someone was following him?

9. Why did the police F*** up the initial investigation? (Blood spatter, cell phone records, not talking to all witnesses, ect).

10. WHY DID HE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE kID WHEN INSTRUCTED NOT TO??????????????



"Insert witty quotation here"

1. Why did he call 911 in the first place? (Zimmerman).

Presumably because he saw a suspicious character in his neighborhood. Looks like the prudent thing to do, and not something a guy that wanted to engage a suspect would do.

2. Why approach the kid at all? (He is a rent a cop).

If there is a suspicious dude in my neighborhood, I will confront him. I am definitely NOT looking to shoot anyone.

3. What is it about wearing a Hoody that is so problematic?

I may be wrong about this, but has not the media created the hoodie issue? There is not one thing wrong with a hoodie per se, but it does have the capacity to conceal one's face. That may have played a role in the suspicion-and reasonably so.

4. Who calls 911 46 times in 8 years (unless you work in a bar)?

Not all calls were to 911. Some were not a non0emergency number. From what I understand he is part of the neighborhood watch in a higher crime area. The local police called that amount not excessive.

5. Why did he get out of the vehicle?

I have no idea, but the way to get troublemakers out of your area is to let them know you are there and watching them.

6. Why does this guy think he is a real cop? (He is not)

The begs the question that Zimmerman thinks he is a cop.

7. Explain the witnesses that heard a younger person begging for his life?

I cannot explain it, but as a an attorney you know eye and ear witnesses are not very good.

8. Explain the friend of Trayvonn who was talking to him before this happened and said Trayvon was concerned because someone was following him?

I could offer the scenario that a concerned Trayvon was more likely to attack Zimmerman than a calm one.

9. Why did the police F*** up the initial investigation? (Blood spatter, cell phone records, not talking to all witnesses, ect).

If their police force is anything like the one locally it would not surprise me at all. Par for the course around here.

10. WHY DID HE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE kID WHEN INSTRUCTED NOT TO??????????????

See answer to #5. Perfectly legal for him to do so.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

I suppose we just disagree on intent, amigo.

I think he went went looking for a fight (or at least a chance to physically intimidate) and when he got embarrassed by a kid, he took the kid's life.

Zimmerman is a punk and a bully.
I would love 5 minutes in the ring with him. He needs his azz kicked.





"Insert witty quotation here"

Bronco, I'm inclined to believe your interpretation of events as well. The only thing I could add is: it looks like Zimmerman did get his azz kicked already. That's most likely why he reached for his gun like a b1tch. I hope this crime can be resolved factually.

And Murf, I understand that you suffer when multisyllable words are used, but you're completely redefining doltishness if you think you've posted "proof" of anything.

You throw out a couple of anectodal stories that you claim you saw on TV, and you call that proof? That's comical.

For one, you didn't, and couldn't, summarize all media coverage. And for two, given your longstanding record of making stuff up, no one could take your claims seriously anyway.

The broad picture remains intact: Neocon puppets like you screach that the media is out to get Zimmerman (and by extension nincompoops like you and the other dittoheads). Martin's supporters complain that the media is too pro Zimmerman.

I give Martin's family a touch of understanding because of the personal nature of their grief. But your complaints? That's just pure, ranting victim wannabe pouting.

If Zimmerman got embarassed by a high school kid...how can that happen? I though cops were trained in self defense, hand to hand combat and were skilled in handling these kind of events as it sounds like the cop was doing a field investigation - I've had that done to me. How can a high school kid get the upper hand in this situation? If that's what happened it's an indictment on the poor training he had as a police officer.

because he was not a police officer....He was a wanna be cop. He probably got fed up with 911 after the 48 times and decided he was going to take care of business himself. I'll show these negros who the sheriff is in this town!

After furthur review it appears this guy - Zimmerman - was part of a crime watch detail(citizens watch) and really did not have the expertise to do a citizen's arrest which is what he tried to do. If he (Zimmerman) saw suspicious behavior he should have contacted the PD. It sounds like he overstepped his boundary to act like a police officer for which he didn't have the training and was unathorized. Isn't it against the law to impersonate a police officer anyway? It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Yo, Rsinman..I did not recite one story, I provided links to stories that your absurd liberal media refuses to report on likethey exploited this case.

The NBC transcript was straight word for word.
LOL...

You can deny evidence, or claim everything that dispells your warped agenda a lie, but it does not change the FACTS...
You hate facts, so you discount any link or story that does not jell with your whacked out liberal mind set or you just say it isn't true.



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Troop, I would like to hear examples of how the media supports Zimmerman?

Like I said, Murf. You throw out a couple of anectodal stories and, with a simpleton's logic, tried to present it as a full assessment of "The Media."

I don't watch NBC, but I have little doubt that it has presented as balanced of body of work as CNN.

And Homey, I've seen Trayvon's father complain on CNN that the "media" is unfairly coming to Zimmerman's defense. He's apparently upset that Trayvon's drug usage was made public and that CNN interviewed a witness that claimed to have seen Trayvon on top of Zimmerman.

There's a frantic and victim wannabe narrative among the neocons to complain about "The Media" that's been extremely phony for years. The Trayvon case is the latest in a string.

Because of "The Media," I don't believe substantial proof yet exists to convict Zimmerman of murder. Of being an idiot, yes, but not of murder.

So ironically, I'm with the neocons who are coming to Zimmerman's defense. The only difference is, I'm speaking from an analysis of available evidence and Florida's laws. The Murf's of the world come to Zimmerman's defense because of some sort of knee jerk victimhood impulse.

I hope that if he is a murderer, the evidence is forthcoming. But either way, the Media in general will get it right. They most always do, whether it's reporting homosexual sex scandals among GOP politicians or Anthony Wiener's sordidness or Sarah Palin's stupidity or the tragedy of the Trayvon Martin death.

If the kid was just walking home in the rain while eating skittles and drinking a Snapple and possibly talking to a high school friend, why was he approached in the first place???

What is it about this kid that evokes that feeling of "troublemaker" or "criminal"

Answer - he's black and wearing a hoody. That is 90% of the problem with this case. Why cant Zimmerman just say the truth. Tell us the truth. You saw a black youth in your affluent neighborhood and you didnt like it. You didnt like it because you stereotype black youth with "thug" or "danger".

God, just tell us the truth and how you feel. Most of this BS is because the scumbag Zimmerman wont just tell us why he bothered the kid in the first place.

"Insert witty quotation here"

One could ask why did this kid feel threatened? Was it because this guy was Mexican? Just tossing it out there. I am with Bronco mostly except the racism part.

Troop would forensics automatically be called out even when the guy that did the shooting admits its, you have the murder weapon etc.. I just hate hindsight, officers make hundreds of decisions, and one gets pulled and and put under the microscope.

Bronco,

Do you do criminal law? There is no reason for Zimmerman to make a statement. It can only hurt him. If he has an ounce of smarts, we will never hear from him.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

Here is white guilt at its best or (worst)

"[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon ... Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man]," the boys are quoted as saying in a police report.

HOWEVER...

but police interviews didn't yield enough evidence to support hate crime charges. Wow, yet there is enough evidence for a hate crime for Zimmerman. What do you white guilt people on this board think this country will look like in 20-30 more years?






http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2012/04/03/Man-78-recounts-assault-by-6-youths-in-E-Toledo.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/05/trayvon-martin-case-looms-over-beating-78-year-old-ohio-man/?test=latestnews

Bronco...
Zimmerman should not be talking to anyone but investigators and if he has a good lawyer, he should be saying very little to the investigators.
Only a moron would say anything in public and with the great wave of white guilt surrounding this case, the media would be twisting and recreating every word to make him look guilty.

Apparently the case is not as easy as the media claimed or he would be facing charges by now.
Here is the problem the liberals behind the scenes are facing..
They need some very strong clear cut evidence to charge him with murder, so that is unlikely to take place.
That is going to get the rebel rousers all fired up, so they will attempt to charge him with something else.



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Its a shame, not only from a standpoint of Zimmerman not ever getting a fair trial due to white guilt, (I am sure Obama thugged the Florida police department like he did the Supreme Court) but the racists will be encouraged and good folks will be even more powerless to defend themselves.

Homey, I have a touch of understanding of your point, but you're not even close to putting anything in perspective.

I agree that it's possible for civil rights laws to over-reach. But I hope you can agree that laws which protect minorities came about because minorities were persecuted.

All that said, I don't see any touch of reason in your narrative to apply civil rights over-reach to any of these two cases.

Does Florida even have a hate crime law? I've never heard it remotely discussed. But if it does, whose point are you trying to make?

The juvenile black thugs in Toledo beat up an unarmed white guy and got felony charges. The adult Zimmerman shot an unarmed black juvenile and got no immediate charges. From the exhaustive media coverage of the events and Florida's laws, I understand completely.

Where is this social upheaval that so concerns you?

I'll be surprised if a grand jury doesn't consider the Zimmerman case. And as stated earlier, there will doubtless be more forensic type evidence presented at that time.

But that won't make Zimmerman a victim, even if he's not indicted. If I shoot someone tonight completely in self defense (or for that matter, if you do) neither of us is likely to be arrested. We're both going to have the elements of the incident presented to a grand jury.

This just happened in Butler County a couple months ago after a Fairfield Township officer shot and killed a domestic violence suspect. He wasn't a victim and the Grand Jury of his peers considered the evidence and concluded he wasn't a criminal. That's America.

Homey, I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt that you were just speaking tongue-in-cheek about Obama playing a role in this. Obama is no more making Zimmerman, the Sanford Police or, as you insinuated, the Supreme Court, any kind of a victim.

I agree that sometimes those who advocate for civil rights over-reach. But you neocons spewing out this narrative that liberals in general, or an Eisenhower president like Obama in particular, are waging some sort of cultural war is nonsense.

Troop, I am disappointed in Obama, I thought he, better than any president, would bridge the racial gap. Instead, he failed right of of the gate by letting the Black Panthers off for racial intimidation at the polls. He then is ignoring the bounty they put on the head of Zimmerman, which is a solicitation for murder. Where is the DOJ on that? But he is sending them in to get Zimmerman. I didn't want O in office, but I thought at least this would be an opportunity to heal the nation. I was wrong.

I understand the civil right laws and how they protect minorities, but as overreaching as they can be now, the trend is, it is more overreaching now than when racism was actually institutionalized in this country and I don't see it reversing but getting worse.

Jerome Simpson received a felony amount of MJ, and it took forever for charges. I guess the Feds are racists against white people.

See how ridiculous that sounds?

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

I think we are missing details in this case. How much authority does this guy have to even approach Martin in the first place? As a member of a citizens watch group I would think they are supposed to report suspicious behavior only and not make an arrest or field qustioning. Zimmerman was obviously not trained in this procedure and handled it poorly. We need to keep race out of it - years ago I was subject to field questioning (I am white) but it was done by a cop not someone on citizens watch. We need to get all the facts if possible before bringing race into it. JMHO.

Agree with Hook. Making him present his case to a grand jury is hardly making Zimmerman a victim. The Stand Your Ground law is relatively new, and this case (where someone wasn't "standing their ground" so much as they were following someone else who had NOT threatened them) might be the first of its kind the law is going to be applied to.

I think its pretty clear that a judge-instructed grand jury, or just a judge, would be better at deciding how it applies then the responding officers at the Sanford PD (no offense to them but a background in law is not necessary to be in law enforcement).

Why is that so hard? Let the law decide, not the media or the local police or Obama or anyone else. Does anyone disagree with this?

"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

I think very few people would have a problem with sending Zimmerman's case to a grand jury. If there is enough to bind him over for trial, then let the process do its job.

Although I have been pretty adamant in defending Zimmerman, I think there is probably enough to bind him over for trial. I also think he will have a relatively easy time beating the charges.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

Sounds like a Rabble Rouser.

I love the anger over the graffiti..lol
Just another example of over hype and double standards.

Instead of just painting over it, the news has to report it first.
Every normal thinking person on this planet knows this was done for attention and the idiots jumped all over it.
If they want to cover racist graffiti, why don't they take a drive up Vine Street from OTR and take a look at the cut outs on a building, with the 2 white people missing their heads or the kill pinky art by the Market.
Guess that is not racist enough to cover..
lol.



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I remember a while back a news story about racist graffiti happened to be perpetrated by some black kids. lol. They better be careful who they blame.

If you point out the double standards and hypocrisy, you are called a racist or as the cult is starting to call it "victim wannabe".
I have no clue what that means other than they failed to provide evidence of racism so they had to create a new tag line to use to try and justify their stupidity...lol



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Common sense tells you that the reason Jerome Simpson's trial took so long was because they were trying to find the sellers and anyone else involved in the crime.

No one else in this case besides two people.

If it goes to grand jury, I am pleased. If no go, fine. If there is enough to bind him over, let a jury have it.

My problem has been and always will be - Why was he bothering this kid? What made this kid so special to bother?

Answer - he was black and in an affluent neighborhood.

Bronco, when in doubt, why don't you just go with what he said in the 911 call...


Zimmerman: This guy looks like hes up to no good. Or hes on drugs or something. Its raining and hes just walking around, looking about.

Nobody just walks around for no reason in the rain, thats reason to be suspicious.

One quick question - if this guy - Zimmerman - is part of a Citizen's Watch Patrol - is he even authorized to approach - question the kid? I didn't think people on this kind of watch had the authority or the training to do so. He did his job when he called 911 and it was up to that agency to take it from there. Did 911 tell him to approach the kid ? I've seen overzealous people in the past driving around in cars with lights/bubbles (hillbilly lights) that respond to police/fire calls. It appears Zimmerman might have that kind of mentality.

Murf, phony outrage is the trademark of a victim wannabe. You're a textbook case.

And I don't know for sure who the "they" might be, but speaking for myself, I don't justify stupidity, I just ridicule it. You make that an easy pastime.

Bengalbear, if you wanted to approach someone in your neighborhood and ask questions, there is no law against it. You don't need to be certified to do that.

LOL..
Your arrogance combined with ignorance never fails to amuse me.



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"Bengalbear, if you wanted to approach someone in your neighborhood and ask questions, there is no law against it. You don't need to be certified to do that."

Perhaps but there is a right way and a wrong way to do it plus if something happens like the guy tried to suckerpunch you you should be trained to handle it with out a gun - the gun should be a last resort obviously.

Also he had a gun license but is a citizen's patrol agent supposed to have one?

This guy - Zimmerman - was not trained in self defense and perhaps approached him the wrong way. If he had the right hand to hand combat training than the gun wouldn't have been needed. He is a pi$$ poor excuse of a security agent if indeed that was what he was.

The bottom line - if you don't have the training in how to approach someone and the physical skills needed in case of confrontation - than stay the f$ck away.

Because of this guy's (Zimmerman) incompetence he now has to go in hiding for fear of reprisal - made life miserable for his family as well + it opened a can of worms on the race issue. Stupid is as stupid does.

Now you have the white power groups claiming that they are patrolling the streets in Florida.
When this thing pops off, and someone is killed, MSNBC should be the first people charged with inducing panic and inciting a riot. then the rhymin revs all should be charged.



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Watch and see how these white groups are treated and covered compared to the panthers. I bet the DOJ steps in now.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/04/06/crowd-beats-strips-robs-tourist-on-st-patricks-day-incident-caught-on-camera/

Mobs of black youths attacking innocent white people are starting to become a major problem around the country but for some odd reason I can't find the protest to stop this or find any video of the self proclaimed black leaders or the black panthers demanding the DOJ to investigate or MSNBC covering these stories.

I know, it is all just phony out rage and white people looking to be victims.
LOL...



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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/08/New-Black-Panthers-Call-For-Race-War-Blood-Shed-Kill-Crackers-For-Trayvon-April-9th-Day-of-Action
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Anyone in Government working today?



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Those scumbags who stole his belongings should be brought to justice. Do they know who it is? I dont think they know the identity, which obviously makes this case different than the Trayvon Martin case.

As far as the initial punch, it seemed like a fair fight. Two guys squaring up.

It also seemed like the white guy in the Mtn Dew shirt has no clue how to protect himself. There was no sucker punch. Just an overhand right to the kisser. Should have been an easy block or bob/weave.



"Insert witty quotation here"

"Just an overhand right to the kisser. Should have been an easy block or bob/weave. "
-sinsei Bronco


They were just mouthing off, that was a sucker punch, imo

How can it be a sucker punch if he was facing the guy?

"Insert witty quotation here"

Bronco.....since the white boy got his *** beat iit must of been a sucker punch .

This is what you get when you debate with the right.....fear...lies....smoke and mirrors.....don't mind the man behind the curtain folks....nothin to see here....move right along now......

Total street thuggery. This is no misdemeanor fight of ding dongs squaring off in the street. This is robbery and assault. These are serious felonies and the street thugs deserve the consequences I'm sure are forthcoming. And I have no doubt that some black on white racist motivation was involved.

But that changes nothing about what I called you out for, Murf. The general media didn't attack Zimmerman with one-sided reporting. Claiming they did was what made you a cracker victim wannabe.

And the media aren't exactly ignoring this new story. I just saw a pretty extended piece on CNN and you yourself linked a CBS affiliate story.

What happened in Sanford Florida was and is news. It got and is getting reported. The same is true in Baltimore and, for that matter, the same is true in Oklahoma City, where a couple of right wing nuts went on a genocidal rampage.

These stories are tragic. But you over-reached in your victimhood fantasies to try to portray the general coverage as some sort of evidence that a coalition of media and social activitists is persecuting Zimmerman and, by extension, society in general.

The rule of law will apply in all these cases. The media is not stopping that from happening, nor does it have a motivation to do so.

LOL..

To continue this debate with an idiot is a waste of time.
If you believe the dozens of cowardly racist attacks receive the same type of coverage as this Zimmerman case, then you are too stupid to even debate.

Seek help for your GWS!





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Murf,

I must have missed the marches and protests for the St Paddy's Day fight.

Was there one? Oops.
That might explain the lack of coverage.



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Translation for Murf's blather.....I got my azz whipped once again.

Of course you don't want to continue a debate, Murf. You are always overmatched. You'll never get beyond nursery rhymes and you'll never quite understand what the adults are saying.

But please don't shut up. Your babbling is always good for laughs.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Daring-pack-of-kids-steal-from-SE-Portland-store-146769415.html?tab=video&c=y

Not a ton of violence in this clip, just another story of a mob of black youths giving people more reason to profile.

Bronco..
That was not a fight.
The guy was surrounded by a group of fuching cowards, that assaulted him and robbed him.
Of course there is no march, or false outrage or comments from Obama or Holder and that is the point.

I watched about 10 minutes of the Ed Shultz show last night (9 minutes more than any human should ever give that fuching clown) and he was still exploiting the Zimmerman case and then he busted out this line.
"We will have the latest from the Republican Effort to divide the country by race".

Seriously this son of a b!tch makes Rush Limbaugh look like a professional angel that loves everyone.
He makes Olberman tolerable and trust me, that is a very hard task to accomplish.


If there is any party playing the race card it is 100% the liberal whack jobs like Trooper.
How many times can you try and twist and spin the same song and dance?


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THat video from the newslink sucked.

This video is better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdmaYeWfmGQ

This shows the mob mentality better. Bunch of savages. They need to be locked up.

Regardless Murf, this doesnt excuse Zimmerman's actions. Obviously, that is why you posted it.

You are trying to say "its ok what Zimmerman did, because these black people in th St. Paddy's video hurt this white person so therefore its ok to profile and stereotype all black people and its further ok for Zimmerman in his rental cop duty to bother all black people if they are walking in his affluent neighborhood because black people are prone to rob, rape and steal just like the St Paddy's video shows us and because they should not be walking in an affluent neighborhood because they are black and black people are poor so they shouldnt be walking in the affluent neighborhood and its suspicious if they are."

This is how F*cked up your thinking is.

Simple question - how many of you agree with the paragraph I posted above? Be honest. Dont pull and PC bullsh!t. How many ogf you think what I put in quotes is true?

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You are starting to sound like Trooper...

I never said it was OK for Zimmerman to do anything.
Not 1 time have I defended Zimmerman for his actions, I defended him as a human being being unfairly convicted thru the liberal media.
I don't know if the man is innocent or guilty, that is for the court to decide IF there is enough evidence to even charge him with a crime under Florida law.

Your facts are wrong.
The incident did not take place in some "affluent" nieghborhood, that is more liberal media bullsh!t.
It is a middle class area, not some rich affluent community.

The links having nothing to do with justifying Zimmerman.
They are being provided b/c some on here can't understand real life and prove that this case is being exploited.
They are being provided to prove to everyone that Obama and every other politician that chimed in are hypocrites.


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Bronco, once again, you argue a point that nobody is arguing. For the record, I do agree with your paragraph minus the racial assumptions on Zimmernamns actions, but you are missing many points on this thread.

1) The double standard. It is more serious for a white to harm a black than vice versa.
2) You assume Zimmerman was racially motivated.
3) We have a black president who has given the country the finger and said f*** you, I aint sending the DOJ on any brother. Where are they on the BP?

Homey, I appreciate the honesty. However, I cannot phathom how you dont think this was racially motivated. If the kid was white, do the cops get called? You seriously think that? No way in hell does Zimmerman make that call or get that pissed off on the phone if he is a white boy.

Murf, do you believe that any assault on a white guy that doesnt get the same media blitz as the Martin case is unfair?





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Obviously this is for the courts to decide. I wonder how Zimmerman will represent himself as his lawyers have quit. I wonder how Zimmerman will pay for his lawyers if he somehow finds someone who wants to deal with it - it's a hot issue - I wouldn't want to be his lawyer. This will be interesting.

If I did criminal law, I'd represent him.

Great for business.

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If I did criminal law, I'd represent him.

Great for business.

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Murf, do you believe that any assault on a white guy that doesn't get the same media blitz as the Martin case is unfair?
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Not at all.
I am not saying that a white guy being assaulted and robbed by cowards is the same as someone being shot and killed.
I understand why the Martin case became this huge story and I am not even saying that the case didn't deserve to receive national attention b/c of all the questions surrounding the case, but the case took off like wild fire b/c it was being exploited on some many levels and that is what I have a problem with.

I started posting links to stories to prove my point that there are many stories with racial tones and many many many stories of young black people being shot and killed that do not receive the same false outrage not only from the liberal media but the President of the United States and the head of the Justice Department and then you watch people in Congress behave like your typical rhymin rev. and it all becomes so filled with double standards and hypocrisy that you have to call it out.

You have a racist hate group threatening violence and death if they don't get their way and you have absolutely no response from the DOJ????????????????????????

If Zimmerman is guilty of a crime and is found guilty in the court of law facing a fair trial, then lock him up.
I have yet to see a shred of evidence against him.
We know very little about the case, we know Zimmerman pulled the trigger and Martin is dead.
Other than that, we have nothing but rumours and smear tactics.
We have news stations flat out inciting racial tensions by editing a conversation to make Zimmerman look racist.
We have MSNBC exploiting this case to create a racial issue b/c the President is black.
We have people running around making comments about how evil profiling is and how this reminds them of the 50's and 60's.
It is a prime example of pure idiotic behavior on the parts of every official that has made a comment about it and it should be embarrassing to every network that has exploited the case.

Duke Rape case 2.0..
Instant false outrage, exploitation and extortion.
When the facts came out, everyone involved in the silly behavior tucked tale and moved along, while the families of the accused were left with a huge defense bill and destroyed lives.
Let the investigation be completed and if there are charges, let the court system work.
(I don't think Zimmerman stands a chance of receiving a fair trial)

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Murf,

None of your stories you linked dealt with a black cop (rent a cop) shooting a white kid and not getting arrested.

That would have been apples to apples.

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"None of your stories you linked dealt with a black cop (rent a cop) shooting a white kid and not getting arrested. "

Bronco, I think you are playing lawyer games here, you can't expect to find the exact scenerio reversed to show the contrast. Are you saying that white on black deaths are not more scrutinized?

I also cant seem to find any info on an organized group called the "New Black Panther Party".

These guys dont have any semblance of the group from the 60's and 70's.

Looks like a few idiots wearing black and pretending to be something they are not.
Also, the "bounty" was for a citizen's arrest, not the death of Zimmerman.



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