http://www.seattlepi.com/business/press-releases/article/Earth-in-Major-Resource-Overdraft-WWF-s-3558018.php

people always assess their own performance as "above average" even people who, when tested, actually perform at the very bottom of the pile. [Incompetent People Too Ignorant to Know It]

Deficits do matter. Doom and gloom articles do not matter.

There is a simple way to fix everything that article says quickly.
kill off 75% of the poulation tomorrow. Everyone who is concerned about that article can start with suicide. LOL

You laugh but there is a group called the "human extinction project". It is their hope to nix us all, including themselves. In fact, one lady had an abortion just so it would not be yet another carbon footprint on mother nature. My only question is, where is the line between stupidity and insanity?

Lets put things into perspective, shall we? The worst case scenerio is that human beings are killing themselves. However, put into perspective it is perfectly natural if it happens. For you see, mass extinctions are perfectly natural and happen about every 30 million years, and we are well overdue. In fact, I recently read an article where scientists blame the demise of dinosaurs on their own flatulence as it elevated CO2 levels well beyond what they are now. Hilarious!! In fact, about 98% of species that have lived on earth are extinct and one day the sun will grow to engulf earth altogether.

So in the meantime, we can sit back and watch liberals torcher us with the false hope of saving humanity, assuming it is even close to our time. Then again, why fight mother nature?

You wonder why I make fun of liberals...
LMAO



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Every time I think I know how stupid you are you prove me wrong.

people always assess their own performance as "above average" even people who, when tested, actually perform at the very bottom of the pile. [Incompetent People Too Ignorant to Know It]

Well this is the closest I have come to agreeing with Belko. Look at the chart, unsustainable. Something is going to have to give. Belko, just curious, would you support a population control initiative, something like China?

Homey! Of all people, I never thought you would turn out to be a Neo-Malthusian!

http://reason.com/archives/2004/07/28/make-mine-malthus
http://reason.com/archives/2010/10/19/the-eternal-return-of-overpopu

Everyone in the gene pool.

Nature has a way of correcting the excesses over time be it a plague or climate change (we are already seeing that now) or the earth turning on it's axis. Maybe the warming we've had will shut off the conveyor belt (Gulf Stream) and plunge Europe into a severe cold period (maybe we've already seen a sneak preview of that this past winter in Europe). If the earth turns on it's axis that would cause an instantaneous change and might wipe out millions like it did to the dinosaurs and mammoth elephants millions of years ago. Might happen tomorrow.

Why and when did Global Warming change to Climate Change? Am I to believe I am no better than a fruit fly and need to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge in order to avoid depleting the planet's supply of food and its energy resources? F U Al Gore. What a complete imbecile.

These other plagues also were going to kill us off:
DDT
2nd hand smoke
heterosexual AIDS
breast implants
obesity

Am I missing any other scary stuff?

Climate Change is a farce...good god people, come to your senses. The Climate Change-Global Warming church is crumbling to the ground.

You sound like a typical right winger - they don't believe global warming doesn't exist either. So you dispute many meteorologists/climatologists that global warming doesn't exist and we've had 10 of the warmest years since they've been keeping records. Unbelievable. Glaciers melting and sea levels rising which will be a problem soon. Arctic and Antarctic ice caps shrinking and people in Alaska are concerned about it as well.

Let's work backwords on this - prove to me that global warming doesn't exist.

LIONS, TIGERS, AND BEARS, OH MY!!

Global warming thats so yesterdays junk science. No one really cares about that any more.

Im more interested in how we can survive the next Ice Age.
Or how about a Ronald McDonald Big Mac attack. What are we suppose to do about that?

How nany of you are prepared for the upcoming Zombie Apocalypse?

Seas are rising, Temperatures increasing, Yellowstone erupting, astroids smashing, suns a flaring, pollar shifting, and bombs a droping, OH MY!!

"Am I missing any other scary stuff?"

Don't forget homelessness, the economy on the verge of collapse, and living on the brink of a nuclear holocaust. Remember the movie The Day After?

Amazing that we ever made it through the 80's!

No, I don't believe in junk science
No, I don't believe the world is over populated.
No, I don't believe we are running out of resources.

I thought fear mongering was a right winger deal?
LMAO

This is another back door attempt at Socialism.


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We have had global warming for some time now and to ignore the effects - droughts etc. is foolish. If you don't believe me talk to the folks in Texas - one of the worst droughts there in history.

You keep worrying about a starving polar bear on a floating iceberg. I've got to run down to the gas station to fill up my V8 Hemi.

You need to look at satellite data NOT temperature changes, ice cover change and of sea level changes. You would see that there is no alarming temperature increase, no mass melting of sea ice and no acceleration/increase of the worlds sea level. Heat is leaving the earth's atmosphere! There is a joke in there somewhere about living in a bubblle, I'm sure.

Also, did you know that over $100 billion and counting, has been portioned out by the National Science foundation, NASA, NOAA, etc. over past 25 years to support AGW (man-made global warming for novices) theory. Hundreds of academic so-called scientists in 100's of Atmospheric Science and Environmental Engineering departments owe their living to these grants. Decades ago there was no such stand alone discipline. AGW at this point has little to do with science....its all about the big money and horse manure politics. Fducking Frauds. They worship MONEY.

...or you can just listen to the news media. Seems they do a good job of brainwashing the masses.

Looking at the graph, it appears the current global warming is right on schedule. I do not know how orchestrators of this hoax can convince so many people that this spike is from humans, while the other spikes in history were not.

I know why they call it climate change instead of global warming. Back in the 70's when we had a couple bad winters, the talk was about a coming ice age. Being 7, my naivity was that of an adult liberal and I thought a glacier was going to knock our house down. Later, when the season were warming up, they threw down their signs and started chanting global warming. A couple years ago, there was actually a cooling trend. They call it climate change so they don't have to keep switching signs.



There are two types of environmentalists, the 1% that are in it for greed and power and the 99%, to use a cold war term, are useful idiots.

That is a good chart - I've seen that before. At the very least we have global warming - if that leads to climate change is open to debate as to what causes it. Not one can say it is due 100% to humans but we are in the middle of an increase in sunspot activity that will peak sometime next year. We need to look at this closely for entire countries are affected due to drought including the US. My fear is even if they prove that humans to some degree are somewhat responsible to get the world's economies to come to a solution or plan of attack might be as hard as getting this Congress to agree on a plan to reduce the deficit and long term debt.

Bear, when the UN says they can control global warming, just give us control, how can anyone not be suspicious.

I've always been mystified how 140 years of data is being used to make definitive statements about the weather trends of a 6 billion year old planet.

But Homey,

Your chart shows a string correlation of CO2 and temperature, and an unprecedented increase in CO2.

See where I am going!

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

Yes Draw but..

That does not mean one causes the other, they may both be the result of a third variable.

The dramatic increase in CO2 did not correlate into a dramatic increase in temps. The current temp spike equals the others.

Not trying to dismiss this totally, but when people demand control over our means of production to protect us from this, dont you get a little hesitant?

...."I've always been mystified how 140 years of data is being used to make definitive statements about the weather trends of a 6 billion year old planet."


According to the right wingers, the planet is only 6500 years old. We walked with the dinosaurs, there is a museum in my backyard to prove it!


The earth is warming. That happens.

Homey,since you asked if i'd support measures like china's want to be clear that no I absolutely would not. That being said I would support taking a serious look at bringing down the birth rate. Our economies are built on growth as opposed to sustainability. In my opinion we exceeded our carrying capacity a long time ago, but have been able to continue as a species because of our uncanny ability to create alternative means to capitalize on the resources available.Me personally, I would change tax code and benefit strategies that encourage large families. I think that having children is part of a pursuit of happiness, but that taxes should go up once you hit 3 kids. I also think that having a vasectomy or getting tubes tied should be free, or even rewarded financially. Birth control should not only be paid for by all insurance it should be actively promoted.I get that many people would feel that this is left wing crazy, but it is where I would start. mY reasons for being environmentally concious are tied to the fact that I want my kids to grow up in a nice world where there is space away from people. I agree with whoever said that humans will most likely go extinct in their own time, but for me it is about quality of life.

It's very simple - more bodies leads to more demand for commodities and food and that leads to inflation. If you can't at least keep up with inflation that means a lower of standard of living for you. Right now we are in a bit of a lull with China slowing and Europe in trouble but how long that will last it's hard to say. It appears when we have strong commodity inflation that will limit growth so that may govern the situation somewhat.

Let us rehash quickly what this is about.

CONTROL!

But do have fun with it.
I suggest everyone hold their breath for 30 minutes a day.
Liberals you lead the way!

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Murf,

I take it you think the earth can supply an unlimited amount of people with the finite resources we have?



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Re: Homey,

You are very right, correlation does not equal causation. But we do know that CO2 has a role in the greenhouse effect, which does tend o make things hotter. It is not mere conjecture on a correlation, there is evidence that is the case.

Mind you, I do not think this proves the matter, but so many conservatives run around with the head in the sand on this issue and Creationism. When you see that population graph do you not think for a second that we perhaps are having a negative effect on the environment?

Then on the other hand you have the environmentalist wackos that spew as much misinformation about global warming I can see why conservatives have doubts.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

May this serve as a word of warning.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/money/dont-serve-carbon-lies/story-e6frezc0-1226366534694

Shops and restaurants in Australia could face fines up to $1.1 million if waiters or sales staff "wrongly" blame the carbon tax for price increases or exaggerated the impact.

It's just too bad that Al Gore did not have to pay $1.1 million for his lies found by a British court in his movie to sell cap and trade to the world.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3310137/Al-Gores-nine-Inconvenient-Untruths.html

It just goes to show you what is at stake here. They can lie about ANYTHING increasing their prices EXCEPT cap and trade. Simply put, the massive pile of money cap and trade brings in, if threatened, will turn a relatively freedom loving people into fearing a KGB like government.

If you want a good laugh, here is a massive list of things blamed on global warming. Here is but a taste.

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

1. Increase in AIDS cases.

2. Allergy increases

3. Increased Earthquakes

4. Increased vulcanic activity

5. Astroid strike risk

6. Increased risk of cancer

7. Cloud increase

8. Increased prevalence of crabgrass

9. The birth of Mike Brown.

This is the type of propaganda war we are all up against as we are constantly bombarded by this crap. No wonder it then generates innane threads like this.

Just to be clear, here is what we are all up against.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ar0X_FWXo1ag&refer=energy

The world wide market for CO2 emissions may be worth as much as $20 trillion a year within a decade. If you look at who is set to make a killing if adopted by the US, it reads as a who's who on the left with Big Al leading the way.

For the sake of argument, lets say that CO2 emissions are destoying the world. If so, I sincerly doubt that cap and trade will "save us". It will save the US like it has Europe and Australia. Does anyone even question why corporations like BP favor cap and trade? It is because it is simply a huge pot of money generated with costs being past down to the consumer. Government loves huge pots of money and is willing to share with corporate America like it did with the bail outs. In fact, where did all that stimulus money go to again??????

I know we're talking about the world, but the US' population growth is much slower than some countries (unfortunately it is somewhere like Nigeria that has their population projected to at least triple by 2050), and India's population growth is not slowing any time soon. But someone mentioned population control like China...it actually is working and their population growth is slowing as well. It's the third world now that will be the issue here.

The Malthusians have been wrong for the past 200 years. Why should we think that they're right now?

1 -- The best way to stem population growth is through economic prosperity. Educated, professional women tend to have fewer children. And the best way to promote prosperity is through economic freedom. No government coercion necessary.

2 -- Increased population can be a good thing. More creative energy and human productivity. It goes against progressive opinion to say this, but people are generally better off when populations are larger.

3 -- Skepticism of anthropogenic climate change: bad. Skepticism of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change: good. The warming trend stopped over 10 years ago, and the climate models cannot account for this. The actual warming due to greenhouse gases over the past 3+ decades is much lower than the models would predict.

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

4 -- My four kids are all well on their way to becoming productive, tax paying members of society. (Future generations will pay off the national debt, by the way.) I don't think I should feel the least bit guilty about their "carbon footprints". We'll need plenty of people and a healthy economy to solve society's ills.

5 -- This video came out just yesterday. Perfect for this thread.

Bronco...
It will always balance out.
To even believe for a second that this world is in danger in the next few hundred years is a waste of time.

The climate terrorist have mental issues.
The puppet masters like Gore and Pelosi feed off of the stupidity of the earth freaks.

It all comes down to complete control.
If they can control:
Health (Mickey Care was the first step)
Food (Bans on salt and sugar/bake sales/soda--fat tax--fast food tax)
Air (Cap and trade)
Money (the socialist dream)
Education (slowly destroying an already sad system)
Speech (can't say certain words or you are deemed evil)
Thought (Political Correctness)
Actions ( smoking ban/Check points/seat belts/helmets ect.)

The land of the FREE?
We are not free anymore and if we sit back and allow this liberal agenda to continue, then even some liberals will be standing around wondering what happend.
To tell people that pay the majority of the bill that they have to pay more and more and more to support the masses is a down right anti-american way of thinking and it is a corruption that can never be repaired if we allow it.
When the people rely on the government to eat/drink/think/work and live, they have won.





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Murf,

As a business owner, should you be allowed to not hire folks based on obesity or smoking habits?



"Insert witty quotation here"

I would say no!

Just like you should not have the right to deny a gay person a job.


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What if he was meeting clients and liked to wear a skirt? Its a slippery slope. Should you not hire because of a felony even though someone served their time?

Should you not hire because of a felony even though someone served their time?

No. I would never hire a felon unless the government forced me to. I have a management position in which I hire and fire. If every I had any doubt we recently had someone who fell through the cracks as far as a background check so he was hired. He stole and stole and stole from us for his six weeks employed with us. So the bleeding hearts can give these guys and girls second chances...I will not.

As for global warming I know that there is proof over the history of the world of changes in climate, but many scientists who study climate change both geological and man made do believe in global warming. These guys and gals know much more about the science behind the greenhouse gases and their effect on the earth than most or all of us, let alone Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. I guess that like creationism vs. evolution I guess it isn't 'fact' if you don't want it to be, but it's pretty darn close to fact.

Agreed Sam. Do the highly respected scientists that don't agree with the global warming theorists also know more about it than you and I? This is hardly a debate between scientists and Rush Limbaugh any more than it is between scientists and Al Gore. This is a debate between scientists and other scientists.

Here is the thing.

In today's world, everything is over hyped.
The media has to sell a story and we all know blood/death/rape/tragedy/fear all sell.
Instant information is the norm.
Lack of credibility from politicians
Lack of credibility from the media
Lack of credibility from the scientist

So when you are facing a very bad economic era and you are asking people that are more worried about keeping their lights on or food on the table to look the other way while we spend billions of dollars that can never be accounted for on something that nobody knows enough about to explain to the world.
Yes there are geeks lined up on both sides of the debate screaming at each other and both sides can bring out some mumbo jumbo to support their side of the debate, but the end result is still about MONEY.
We don't have enough to support most of this country and fight something that nobody understands yet.
One or the other...

I pick Tax paying Americans having the ability to work and feed their families over a temperature change from time to time over 100 year periods.



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Good point, JB.

Thanks Sam.

And Happy Memorial Day to all our veterans. Thank you for your service and sacrifice. May we never forget.