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July 11 2012 at 7:19 PM
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Now that we all have "equal" access to "affordable" health care, thanks to Obama and Roberts, why not erradicate homelessness next? We will just have the government mandate....er....um......tax us the amount needed to buy a home. Those that cannot afford the tax will simply have the taxpayers......er....um.....government make up the difference.

Then once everyone has equal access to health care and a home, we will move on the cars, cell phones, cable, food, etc. In fact, there is virtually no end to it. The precedent has been set.

Enjoy America. You really deserve it.

 
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July 11 2012, 7:32 PM 

But don't it just make you feel good about yourself?
Knowing that the woman with 5 kids by 5 different daddies will now receive free health care....Oh, they had that before, never mind.
Dental and Life insurance are next.
LOL!

Welcome to the United Socialist States of North America.


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July 11 2012, 7:33 PM 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-now-estimated-cost-26-trillion-first-decade_648413.html


Just some numbers to think about.
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July 11 2012, 7:45 PM 

The only bright spot to Obamas communism, is communist reject private ownership and thus common ownership of the Bengals may be in the future.

 
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July 11 2012, 8:26 PM 

Can you name one developed democracy with so called "free market capitalism" that doesn't have some socialism in it. Socialism is nothing more than entitlements and all countries have it to a greater or lesser degree.

At one time this country's version of free market capitalism was very good but the system is now corrupt to a degree with the Wall Street pirates having a field day with it not to mention the shady practices of some of our big businesses (cooking the books etc.) as well as the large investment banks. The system is in need of repair.

 
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July 11 2012, 9:54 PM 

So, how bout that banking scandal that affected $800 trillion in mostly loan transactions? That was cool, right?

Listen guys, both theories, free market and socialism, have flaws. Neither is perfect, that's been accepted in this country for what, a century and a half at least?

You guys acting like one tweak to the system means that in 20 years the government will be buying everyone a cell phone is just as misguided as a leftist saying a vote for Romney is a vote for child labor, no minimum wage, no weekend and no social security.

You guys like to throw this around, or Murf does anyway, so FACT: Most Americans want a smart system that utilizes the best elements of free market and other systems to efficiently and effectively provide basic services.

It's not some false choice between eating a government mandated breakfast of soy sausage and egg whites or working 60 hours a week with no overtime and no choice because you will be fired if you'd rather spend the time with your family.

If you guys can't handle any amount of socialism in your government, then you shouldn't have gotten bogged down with families and kids and just worked to make as much money as possible and then bought a private island, because this isn't the country for you.

It's about finding the right mix and we, the people, get to decide. Our Democracy can't be undermined at any cost, it's the lifeblood of this country imo.

Freedom of speech means we should be able to disagree without the other side "hating America," as it keeps being suggested. Our rights as individuals to advocate and speak our mind shouldn't be compromised, though that doesn't mean others should adopt or accept what we say.



"We do do, and we do it at a very, very high level," Lewis said.

 
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July 12 2012, 5:09 AM 

Speaking of the banking scandel, what was the response from both "W" and Obama? It was corporate socialism as they flooded them with taxpayer dollars.

Obamacare is no different. All it is is another stimulus for corporate America.

If corporations were allowed to "fail", God forbid, then it would do two wonderful things. It would kick aside those idiots who ran their business into the ground, and it would open the door to small business to pick up the slack. Incidentally, small business hires up to 2/3 of the work force every year so with corporations "too big to fail" it is no wonder why the unemployment figures have been rising. At the same time, you prop up those same idiots who ran their businesses into the ground.

If you ask me, both parties have embraced the corporate socialist model. The "free" market is but an after thought. The reason that the free market is so despised in the federal government is twofold. The first reason is that powerful and wealthy men like to feel as though they have control over the economy and their wealth. In other words, they want control over everyone below them like you. So they champion various types of central planning through the government. After all, who likes competition? Do you think corporate America does? LOL. The second reason is that government relies on corporate America to pay their salaries. After all, those in government don't produce anything. They are mere leaches upon society, otherwise known as public "servants". It used to be that Founders like Jefferson and Madison would spend their fortunes to fight for their consituents. Today, it is the polar opposite. Fortunes are now made by those in government riding on the backs of their constituents. Face it, corporate America is the main money source for these leaches. and the "Supremes" recently passed a law empowering them further to throw money into the system. Now there is a shocker!! In a way, the corporate model is a miniture model of government and it's bureaucratic tendencies. They get so rich and powerful that simply making money is not enough. They then obtain such wealth that they turn their attention to controlling the common man and herding them around like cattle.

In the interim, you have those on the left championing Obamacare which empowers corporate America by forcing you to buy what they have to sell (not a tax numbnuts Roberts), and you have those on the right championing the recent Supreme Court decision to allow corporate America to pump more money into the corrupt system. In a way, the two deserve each other.

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July 11 2012, 10:13 PM 

"the system is now corrupt to a degree with the Wall Street pirates having a field day with it not to mention the shady practices of some of our big businesses (cooking the books etc.) as well as the large investment banks. The system is in need of repair'


so we fix this with entitlements?

CIN, I agree with everything you said, we need a nice balance. But 15 trillion debt is not going to be fixed by running towards more socialism.


    
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July 12 2012, 4:51 AM 

Yes, most "democracies" have an element of socialism, and as we can see, most are going belly up due to rampant debt.

Poverty is like bad weather. It will always be there even though there are ways to sheild people from it. Looking at socialist models like Cuba and the former USSR, it would appear that socialism makes poverty more rampant.

 
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July 12 2012, 5:18 AM 

Speaking of central planning corporate socialism, can anyone answer a question I have?


Is the Federal Reserve a monopoly? Think about it. They would have you believe that the Fed is a "private" entity, yet they are controlled by those in government to do their bidding. In fact, it reminds me of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that cost the taxpayers trillions. Fannie Mae was created in the 1930's as a purely run government entity. However, with the Vietnam war it got to be difficult balancing the budget, (back when deficits mattered), so they decided to make Fannie Mae into a "private' corporation. LOL. However, it was too evident that Fannie Mae had no real competitors, so they then created Freddie Mac to give the illusion that Fannie Mae had competition.

If you really want to point the finger at the culprit who is making gas prices rise, look to the Fed. Both gold and oil have risen at the same rate and it's all due to inflating the dollar. Too bad your coporate task masters are not increasing your salaries by the same rate of inflation. The more money the US goes into debt, the more money they print and the higher inflation goes and the cheaper hired labor, like yourself, becomes.


    
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July 12 2012, 7:39 AM 

"so we fix this with entitlements"

I think we have to look at Wall st. and how they do business esp the big investment bankers. People b!tch about regulations but that is why the bank reg were put in at the time. There have been congressional probes into some of these big banks already but other aspects of Wall St. - high freq traders, other market manipulations etc. have to be addressed. At present the retail investor largely doesn't trust Wall St.

As far as entitlements - it is already a huge conglomeration of debt - somewhat north of $55T and still growing. How we're going to pay that down is the $65000 question - at present they are printing money to make the debt seem cheaper. We have a dysfunctional Congress who last year couldn't agree on a way to reduce the deficit which is $15T so how will they tackle this monster? Good luck.

 
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July 12 2012, 9:06 AM 


Why is our President carrying a book titled "The Post-American World?"

Is he preparing for it, or hastening it?


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July 12 2012, 9:29 AM 

I wish I lived in the days of McCarthyism

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July 12 2012, 9:35 AM 

JB, what is that book about again?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/postamerican.asp

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July 12 2012, 10:10 AM 

Maybe we're not what we used to be but who else is better? Take the best ones - the BRIC nations and Germany, Canada, Australia, Switzerland etc. Does any one of them beat us? True we have some monster problems but the rest of the world sucks but I think we suck less.

 
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July 12 2012, 11:17 AM 

I own that book. Despite the title it's not what you think. The author is Fareed Zakaria and is about globalisation and the emerging economies in other part of the world (mostly China, India, Brazil). He describes it as the rise of the rest he's not claiming that America will/has perished or anything like that. Pretty good read but Zakaria would be considered pretty left-wing economically here in America but it's hardly the Communist Manifesto or anything.

Back on topic. Yes, there are many liberal advocates that consider housing the be a basic human right but not many I am aware of.

Also, in Finland the internet is considered to be a basic human right. I believe they passed legislation stating it a year or so again. But those Finns are crazy.

 
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July 12 2012, 12:47 PM 

"Why is our President carrying a book titled "The Post-American World?"

Is he preparing for it, or hastening it?"

Gee, good question JB. Have you tried, I don't know, reading the book to find out?

Or perhaps you'd prefer to just wildly speculate on how anti-American the president is without doing any actual research? Yeah, you're probably right, better to just use random images to make Obama out to be a boogeyman then to actually learn anything. That learning stuff is just another "evil" liberal agenda item anyway.


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July 12 2012, 3:08 PM 

Here is the problem I have with this obsession with socialism.
You dumb down society and make them dependent on the government and in the long run, you fail.
When you start lowering standards to make everyone feel equal, you are dumbing down society.
When you start lowering the standards to make everyone feel equal when it comes to credit, you have a massive failure in the housing industry.
(yes, greed took over, but the door was kicked open by liberals that wanted more minority owned homes)

If you take a child and tell him no matter what, he is going to be the same as the kid sleeping in class, who in their right mind would want to work harder to achieve anything?

I agree, you need some type of balance, but the scale is so tilted the wrong way today, it is never going to turn back around.
You have 3-4 generations of people that believe they are entitled to something.

I just had a long conversation with someone that is in a very bad spot, and a spot that I honestly don't know how the government is getting away with it.
When you pay your income tax, a portion of that tax is taken out and placed into unemployment.
So, it should work along the lines of social security, you are forced to pay this tax, so the money is available to you if you are laid off.
Well, this person after working for the same place for 18 years gets laid off because the place is closing.
They start to get unemployment, then it stops and the government tells them that they now owe the government money because they should have never been given any money at all.
I don't get it...#1, how is anyone that is not fired, not eligible for benefits they paid into and secondly, how on earth can they say that this person is not eligible because the house hold made too much money when half of that money is no longer available and that is why they filed for benefits.
The amazing part is that if these people just got divorced on paper and the nonworker became the custodial parent, they could go on welfare and get all kinds of benefits and tax exemptions and become a likely candidate to receive vouchers for free utilities and food.

Sorry folks, I don't think I can ever embrace this fuched up system that punishes hard work and achievement and embraces basic embarrassing behavior.


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July 12 2012, 4:37 PM 

"When you pay your income tax, a portion of that tax is taken out and placed into unemployment"-dummy

lmmfao and I'll let you try and figure out why murf you simpleton.

 
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July 12 2012, 5:01 PM 


http://www.foundry.org/2012/07/12/obama-guts-welfare-reform/


With the stroke of a pen the dictator in Chief today gutted the welfare reforms of the Clinton Administration. Essentially, the requirement for welfare recipients to work or prepare to work for their benefits has been waived. This, even though the text of Clinton's TANF law specifically stated the requirements cannot be waived.

Might this be another case of Dear Leader thumbing his nose at the Constitution that he clearly disdains by circumventing congress in the name of getting something done?


 
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July 13 2012, 4:26 PM 

Whoever the coward is...are you trying to deny that part of your income tax does not go into unemployment?

Welfare reform...just another reason to kick his rear out of office.



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July 13 2012, 5:52 PM 

JB,

The TANF is expiring in what, 4 years anyway?

Also, the decision was made in response to Nevada and Utah's request that they be allowed more staff time to devote to helping people get jobs rather than tracking where people applied.

Party politics.

You just got duped by a right wing blog that didnt give you all the facts.


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July 13 2012, 6:14 PM 

The TANF is expiring in what, 4 years anyway?
So? Its four years.

Also, the decision was made in response to Nevada and Utah's request
So? Does Obama get a pass because it was requested?

 
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July 13 2012, 8:55 PM 

Murf... Let's pretend....let's pretend that my weiner is bigger than yours......hahaha,,,that was a joke....we all know that you are hung like a empty beer can

have a safe weekend my friend....come to SoCal and share a beer with some intellectuals soon


    
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July 14 2012, 6:01 AM 

Rear...
There is no such a thing as an intellectual in California.
I don't see how anyone can live in that State and have a functional brain. happy.gif

To the coward that is scared to use his fake name on a message board...


http://www.whitehouse.gov/2011-taxreceipt
I will even make it easier for you to find UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE..
3rd one down...top of list.

You can follow "yahoo" all you want, I would rather find the answers without a biased opinion or some spin doctor playing games with the facts.
Now, when you are finished feeling like a dumb azz d-bag, you can apologize to the class for your stupidity and continue being a waste of good air.

Taking money out of my pocket and giving it to others that refuse to work is wrong.
Taking money out of my pocket to pay for a so called "insurance" and then telling me that I don't have a right to claim benefits, is flat out criminal behavior.

To think that some of you people continue to support the government to control the daily lives of the people is flat out insanity.
I look at it like this.
If I had to make a huge investment in my life to secure not only my money but my families health and welfare, would I place that type of trust in the hands of a company that is known for corruption/theft/dishonesty and over all incompetence or would I want to go with a smaller company that treated me like a real person and made wise decisions.

The Government is a joke.

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July 14 2012, 11:43 AM 

Homey,

It was requested by REPUBLICANS in Nevada and Utah.

Doh!

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Too bad, so sad

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July 14 2012, 2:56 PM 

"Rear...
There is no such a thing as an intellectual in California.
I don't see how anyone can live in that State and have a functional brain."


Ok, Murf. I get it. I never claimed to be an "intellectual"--but damn--Murf just put me in the Special Olympics with Storm. Oh well, there could be could worse things--like being a eunich--right TIITR!??!?!?!?

I know USC3 has some witty comment about this one....do your worst, bra....




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