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October 10 2016, 4:49 PM 

All Marvin Lewis teams look the same? Kitna, Palmer, Dalton- doesn't matter.

 
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October 10 2016, 5:37 PM 

Yeah I'm not approved yet storm so before my post was approved you posted yours lol

 
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October 10 2016, 6:12 PM 

I'm glad you guys are adding to this thread. There's going to be a ton of appropriate content out there from this point forward.

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Regarding Stephen A. Smith... another good rant except for one thing. Again he doesn't go after Mike Brown. Why the hell not?!

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I just found a Facebook page called... Fire Marvin Lewis Now. And a website. Lumina, is that you?

https://www.facebook.com/Fire-Marvin-Lewis-Now-168953893144005/

http://www.firemarvinlewis.com/


Speaking of Lumina, here is a veritable cornucopia of Fire Marvin Lewis Now threads started by one of our favorite posters. There are more out there but you get the idea.

2016
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1450057455

2015
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1443387357

2014
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1413148120

2013
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1377394715
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1377400910

2012
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1350876991

2011
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1323649360

2007
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1193619191

Now there's nothing wrong with wanting Marvin Lewis to be gone, or thinking that he should be gone. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with going off on a rant about the guy. The problem is when you start to believe that he might possibly get fired. That, my friends, is an absolute violation of MBS protocol. We're the hard-headed realists as we should all remember. Mike Brown is not going to fire Marvin Lewis, period. How could he possibly relinquish all that accumulated continuity?

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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October 10 2016, 6:46 PM 

I called it back in Jan when I felt this would be a throwaway year (check my thread). The only way Marv would get the axe is if the bungs started to get beat regularly by Cle and Cle passed them up in the standings. That may not be that far away. Also the ticket paying fans would have to start b!tching and attendance would have to start falling off. 3 or 4 bad seasons might trigger that along with Cle beating them regularly esp at home. Those conditions might force mikey to act but I wouldn't count on that.

 
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October 10 2016, 7:18 PM 

Lol great find Psycho
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October 16 2016, 3:32 PM 

This is going to get real tedious in a hurry, so I won't necessarily comment on each entry. But, really. Back on the hot seat, for good?!

Marvin Lewis, back on the hot seat for good?
Vincent Frank - Sportsnaut - October 14, 2016

The Cincinanti Bengals enter Sunday’s game against the New England Patriots at 2-3 on the season and coming off a blowout loss in Dallas.

It’s not necessarily a normal position for Marvin Lewis and Co. to be in during the regular season. Here’s a team that started the 2015 campaign with eight consecutive wins. That came on the heels of the team boasting a 3-1 record heading into mid-October of the 2014 season.

The regular season hasn’t been an issue for Lewis under this current group. Cincinnati has won 10-plus games in each of the past four years. Not since 2011 has Cincinnati had to sweat out the late part of the regular slate hoping for a playoff appearance.

That has changed dramatically this season. With a loss to the Patriots on Sunday, the Bengals would fall to 2-4 for the first time since all the way back in 2010, Carson Palmer’s final season in burnt orange.

This has made Lewis’ job rather safe from September through December over the course of the majority of his now 14-year career in Cincinnati.

Does that change now? Will Lewis find himself joining other coaches on the hot seat with a loss on Sunday? Is he already on the hot seat?

There’s a lot of factors to look at here. But we must note just how loyal the Bengals’ brass has been to Lewis. Too loyal for some objective observers.

Would it really be willing to completely scrap the Lewis regime midstream? This is to say, move on from him in the middle of the season. History suggests this is unlikely.

Though, recency bias itself tells us this could be a possibility. In no uncertain terms, the Bengals have made it clear that the 2016 season is Super Bowl or bust for Lewis and Co.

A recent one-year extension doesn’t change it. Instead, that was simply to make sure Lewis wasn’t a lame duck coaching out the final year of his contract.

It was for show. It was to save face publicly. Maybe to show some confidence in Lewis. Confidence most level-headed individuals believe the Bengals don’t have.

See. It’s not about a potential 2-4 start to the season. It’s, instead, about the team’s struggles in the postseason carrying over to the regular year. That’s regression. That’s something a contending team can’t afford. And in reality, it speaks more to Lewis potentially overstaying his welcome in Cincinnati than anything else.

2016: 2-3
2015: 5-0
2014: 3-1-1
2013: 3-2
2012: 3-2
2011: 3-2 pic.twitter.com/nEpOzA1RU2

The question that needs to be asked here is whether Cincinnati’s brass thinks Lewis can’t just lead the team to the playoffs. Much like each of the past five seasons, it’s all about winning in the playoffs.

Once that question turns to whether the Bengals can even make the playoffs, the larger question about Lewis’ job status becomes more prevalent.

As unfair as it might be, the backdrop of this discussion will surely include Cincinnati’s lack of postseason success under Lewis.

Here’s a head coach that’s led his team to an 0-7 playoff record with it being outscored by an average of 12.3 points per game.

Is a 9-7 record and a first-round playoff exit a reasonable result for Cincinnati’s brass? A loss on Sunday, and that would likely be the best this year’s version of the Bengals can do, at least when it comes to the team’s regular season record.

That’s only magnified with games remaining against six winning teams, including Sunday’s affair with New England.

So. No, Lewis likely isn’t on the hot seat now. A loss to the Patriots on Sunday, bringing the team to a 2-4 mark, would likely change this.


http://sportsnaut.com/2016/10/marvin-lewis-back-on-the-hot-seat-for-good/

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October 16 2016, 3:39 PM 

Get a load of this one.

New coaches appear on weekly NFL hot seat rankings
Nate Davis - USA TODAY Sports - 8:06 p.m. EDT October 11, 2016

Some chairs may be cooling for certain coaches who seemed to be on shaky ground recently. Of course that means things aren't going as planned in other NFL cities. Here's the latest installment of our weekly hot seat rankings: ...

3. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals: Only Bill Belichick has been on the job longer than Lewis, now in his 14th season with Cincy. But his 0-7 playoff record, including one-and-done showings in the past five postseasons, has led to four consecutive one-year contract extensions for Lewis, who is currently signed through the 2017 season. But the last time the Bengals (2-3) were below .500 after five games was 2010, the year before QB Andy Dalton and WR A.J. Green arrived. If Lewis fails to get this underachieving club — Cincinnati trailed the Dallas Cowboys 28-0 at one point Sunday — into the playoffs, owner Mike Brown's loyalty and patience with this regime might finally dissipate. Last week: unranked

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/10/11/head-coach-hot-seat-rankings-marvin-lewis-todd-bowles/91913264/


Mike Brown's patience is limitless, unbound, unchanging, and monolithic. It will never dissipate, and he will never fire Marvin Lewis.

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October 16 2016, 7:40 PM 

Another October entry. This one from a couple of weeks ago.

5 NFL Coaches on the Hot Seat
Kofi Bofah - Sports Cheat Sheet - October 02, 2016

The internet is the primary driver for the 24/7/365 news cycle in sports. Like clockwork, many take up the “win now” and “what have you done for me lately” mantras amid this media feeding frenzy. NFL coaches lose bargaining power in this environment, with owners writing checks, general managers making hires, and franchise players signing $100 million contracts. If anything, the head coach is the fall guy and scapegoat for any season gone wrong.

For 2016–17, five NFL coaches will be on the proverbial hot seat at varying degrees. A select few teams will give their head coaches the benefit of the doubt. Those coaches know that anything thing less than a deep postseason run is a major disappointment. The two most embattled head NFL coaches, however, may not survive past the bye week.

5. Marvin Lewis

A sign of the times: Fans and experts regularly mention “Cincinnati” and “win now” in the same sentence. For years, the Bengals were notable for perennial losing, draft busts, extensive rap sheets, and ugly uniforms. In 2003, Cincinnati hired Marvin Lewis as their head coach, after a year when the team went a lowly 2-14. Before Cincinnati, Lewis commandeered the historically dominant 2000 Baltimore defense.

By 2005, Lewis pushed the Bengals atop the AFC North and into the playoffs, with Rudi Johnson, Chad Johnson, and Carson Palmer all in their prime. In the wild-card round, Pittsburgh defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen went low against Palmer and blew out the quarterback’s ACL. Palmer did not return to form until 2013, when he signed with Arizona. The Bengals, without their presumed franchise quarterback, reloaded through the draft. They picked up Jeremy Hill, Giovani Bernard, A.J. Green, Vontaze Burfict, Carlos Dunlap, and Andy Dalton in recent years. With this core group, the Cincinnati Bengals have made the playoffs for five straight years.

Last year, Pittsburgh offensive tackle Marcus Gilbert demanded a rematch against Cincinnati in the playoffs, “where they choke.” Gilbert got his wish. Pittsburgh lined up for the game-winning field goal, after the Bengals fumbled late and were flagged for unnecessary roughness. Both teams racked up nearly $100,000 in fines, with NFL coaches and players taking cheap shots on the field. Still, in taking the loss, it was Lewis who appeared to lose total control of the team.

Lewis is 0-7 in the playoffs, despite going 113-96-2 through 14 regular seasons in the NFL. (Lewis is the second longest-tenured coach in the NFL after Belichick). Like Tony Dungy in Tampa Bay before him, respectability may not be enough to help Lewis in Cincinnati. It was Jon Gruden who won Super Bowl XXXVII his first year in Tampa, largely with Dungy’s players. Lewis must win one playoff game to keep his job.


http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/nfl-coaches-hot-seat.html/?a=viewall


No, Marvin Lewis does not need to win a playoff game to keep his job. Mike Brown will never fire Marvin Lewis.

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October 16 2016, 7:52 PM 

And another from earlier this month.

Top 10 NFL Coaches on the Hot Seat
Compiled by Ben Krimmel - Real Clear Sports - 10.05.16 12:00 AM CDT6

9. Marvin Lewis

Record: 114-96-2 (.540 in 14 seasons)

Marvin Lewis is the second-longest tenured head coach in the NFL behind Bill Belichick, who will not be appearing on this list despite the 16-0 loss to Buffalo. With losses to rival Pittsburgh and at home to Denver in consecutive weeks, Lewis sees himself on the hot seat list even with the Bengals' Thursday night shellacking of the Dolphins. But the regular season hasn't been the issue for Lewis or the Bengals, who have made the playoffs in each of the last five seasons.

Like McCarthy, Lewis’s seat has been heating up since his team’s playoffs exit last season and a playoff berth this year may not be enough for Lewis to keep his job. A single playoff win is Lewis’s white whale—he’s 0-7 in his career. If he fails to win one this year, it has to be over for him in Cincinnati.


http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/top_10_nfl_coaches_on_the_hot_seat/marvin_lewis.html


No, it will not be over for Marvin Lewis if he fails to win a playoff game, this year or any year. Mike Brown will never fire Marvin Lewis.

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October 20 2016, 8:13 PM 

This complete denial of reality will never cease to amaze me. This insistence that Mike Brown is a normal sort of owner with a normal desire to win championships.

NFL hot seat rankings: Is one of league's longest-tenured coaches nearing end?
Nate Davis - USA TODAY Sports - 1:24 a.m. EDT October 19, 2016

Week 6 turned out to be kind to some of the NFL's seemingly embattled head coaches. But hot seats in this league are nothing if not microwavable, so these guys better keep pushing the right buttons. Here's the latest installment of our weekly hot seat rankings:

1. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals: "I miss the hell out of him," he said this week of former offensive coordinator Hue Jackson. Given how much the Bengals also seem to miss Jackson, it's worth wondering if Lewis might reunite with his old buddy — as an assistant on the Cleveland Browns staff — if his perennially undisciplined team doesn't quickly turn around a season that currently appears like it might be the team's first outside the playoffs since 2010. And, really, doesn't loyal-to-a-fault Cincy owner Mike Brown have to ask himself some difficult questions after watching the league's longest-tenured coach, Bill Belichick (22 playoff wins and four championships since 2000), beat up on the second-most tenured in Lewis (0 postseason wins since 2003)? Last week: 3


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/10/18/head-coach-hot-seat-rankings-marvin-lewis-mike-mccoy/92344416/


No, nope. Loyal-to-a-fault owner Mike Brown decidedly does not have to ask himself some difficult questions and certainly will not do so. Mike Brown will never fire Marvin Lewis. Never. One of the league's longest tenured coaches is not anywhere near the end.

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October 20 2016, 10:07 PM 

the writer clearly missed the 90s...

 
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October 21 2016, 7:55 AM 

Another Stephen A rant but again fails to bring up the clown

http://youtu.be/7ShOsXI7VxY

 
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October 23 2016, 6:44 PM 

From last week.

NFL Hot Seat Watch: Marvin Lewis Starting To Sweat
Erik Lambert - NFL mocks - October 18, 2016

In the end it comes down to who has the worst records. Nothing decides the fate of a head coach in this league more than victories. When a team doesn’t win enough, the fans lose patience. When they lose patience, they stop devoting their time (and money) to the team. Ownership can’t have that, and so they decide to make a change. So here is who sits in the hottest waters. ...

WARM:

Marvin Lewis


One of the reasons that the Cincinnati Bengals have stuck by Marvin Lewis despite zero postseason success is because he keeps getting to the postseason. At some point he has to figure it out right? Well it turns out that streak is very much in jeopardy. The Bengals have dropped to 2-4 on the season. Their worst start in years. Nothing seems in sync about this team and it continues to make boneheaded mistakes. That falls on the head coach. He can survive playoff disappointment, but can Lewis survive a losing season? It’s hard to believe that’s possible.


http://nflmocks.com/2016/10/18/nfl-hot-seat-watch-marvin-lewis-starting-sweat/


No, it's quite possible to believe that Marvin Lewis will survive a losing season. In fact, it's ridiculously easy. Mike Brown's patience is measured not in years or decades or even centuries. The proper metric is more like eons. And he will never fire Marvin Lewis.

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October 24 2016, 6:33 PM 

Here's you one from a few days ago Psycho:

http://thebiglead.com/2016/10/20/nfl-week-7-coaching-hot-seat-update/

Ryan Phillips:

''At some point, players need to hear a new voice. While some people love Lewis and trust him to eventually figure things out, the Bengals need him to deliver now. If he can't, he'll be looking for work after the year.''

Lol, there is just no end to the comedy. This scribe didn't claim that Marvin might be fired, he claimed that Marvin WILL be fired.


    
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October 24 2016, 7:19 PM 

LOL. So confident about an impossibility.

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October 24 2016, 8:11 PM 

I just found a link to a Golden Oldies from 2014! It's my none other than Don Banks. It's long, but worth quoting in full.

Super Bowl or bust: Marvin Lewis a victim of his own success in Cincy
Don Banks - Sports Illustrated - Wednesday May 28th, 2014

If there's one truth to hold self-evident this season it's that no team has more at stake, and more possibility for wildly disparate outcomes, than Cincinnati. Everything from ultimate triumph to the end of an era seems in play this year for the talented Bengals, who have come so far in the first 11 seasons of Marvin Lewis' coaching tenure, and yet obviously haven't achieved the success that truly matters in the NFL.

Lewis and his defending AFC North champion Bengals know this better than anyone. That's why he wisely opened the organized team activity portion of their offseason this week by acknowledging and addressing what he called "the elephant in the room,'' specifically the club's dispiriting 27-10 home-field loss to wild card-qualifying San Diego in the first round of last January's playoffs -- Cincinnati's third straight one-and-done showing in the postseason.

Before you start to re-climb the mountain, you have to come to grips with why reaching the top has proven so elusive. Even if the exercise has become entirely repetitive by now.

"We began today and it was my first time talking to the entire football team since the Monday after we lost the game against San Diego,'' said Lewis by phone on Tuesday afternoon, the first day of the Bengals' OTA workouts. "So we had to address that game. We lost that game because we got out-played, we got out-coached, we got out-prepared and we got out-executed.

"There's no doubt, we have to swallow our medicine. That's the only way we're going to fix it, by looking at it and trying to move forward from it. Now we've got to go prove it again. We can't just will it to happen. We're going to have to go earn that opportunity to reach the playoffs.''

The specter of being stuck at status quo is one of the NFL's cruelest and most agonizing fates, and Cincinnati is the league's current poster child for a particularly high-rent state of limbo. The irony is you can be a consistent loser in the regular season, or a consistent loser in the postseason, and the forces of frustration that build and build are roughly the same.

If you're in Cleveland's, Buffalo's or Oakland's version of the status quo, it stinks. But how much less painful is the repeated mediocrity Dallas fans have endured? Or the galling seven-win purgatory in which St. Louis resides? That's why even playoff perennial status won't cut it in Cincinnati any more. The Bengals have improved their record for three years in a row, from 9-7 in 2011, to 10-6 in '12, to last year's 11-5 and division title, but all that anyone focuses on is that 0-3 mark in the playoffs, which erases all sense of progress and upward mobility.

That's why Lewis -- and his fourth-year quarterback, Andy Dalton, who shares that 0-3 playoff run -- are under no illusions this year in Cincinnati. They fully understand that they will work with as much heat on them this season as any coaching/quarterback tandem in the NFL. Dalton enters the final year of his rookie contract playing for his future, but right there beside him is Lewis, signed through 2015. There couldn't be a lot more clarity in Cincinnati.

"He and I both, we know what we're up against,'' Lewis said, again showing a grasp of reality. "We've set a high standard and now the expectations are to win everything. That's the good thing. Winning is just not good enough any longer. Winning the division is no longer good enough. The opportunity to win enough to get to the playoffs and become world champions is the goal. Otherwise people will feel this has been a failure.''

We used to know what failure in Cincinnati meant. This was a "Bungles'' franchise that went 14 tortuous seasons without a winning record or a playoff berth, from 1991 to 2004. But here's the most interesting part of Lewis' track record, a part that I think has largely been overlooked: His Bengals missed the playoffs in five of his first six seasons on the job, and Cincinnati owner Mike Brown opted to remain patient and stay the course, a decision for which he has largely been rewarded.

Now that Lewis has made the postseason in four of the past five years, winning the division twice, he's understandably coaching from the hot seat? How much convoluted sense does that make? Would the Bengals' real mistake be retaining him post-2008 -- perhaps missing the success of 2009-13 -- or letting him go when Cincinnati is fresh off the franchise's first-ever run of four playoff trips in a five-year span?

See earlier references to the damaging effects of the status quo perception. The reality is Lewis, remarkably enough, is the NFL's second-longest tenured head coach as he starts his 12th season in Cincinnati -- trailing only New England's Bill Belichick's 15 years -- and his 181 career games without a playoff victory (0-5) are the most in NFL history for any head coach serving with one team.

I well understand how the what-have-you-done-for-me lately NFL works, but I do have an appreciation for the job Lewis has done in Cincinnati, which was no ordinary turnaround project in anyone's opinion when he arrived in early 2003. I'm not ignoring his glaring 0-5 playoff record, and if it reaches 0-6 he's probably out of a job. But I'm also not inclined to overlook his five postseason trips and three division titles in 11 years, with him posting just three losing records and becoming the franchise's winningest coach (90-85-1) during his tenure.

The Bengals are one of only five teams to make the playoffs the past three years (Patriots and Packers five trips in a row, 49ers and Broncos three consecutive berths), and Cincinnati's 30-18 regular-season record in 2011-13 represents the franchise's most victories in any three-year span. The Bengals went 19-61 in the five seasons before Lewis was hired, never finishing better than 6-10 from 1998 to 2002, so the short-memory crowd should at least try to recall the franchise's long and arduous lost-in-the-desert phase before it brands the Lewis era with the label of failure.

As Lewis himself points out, he doesn't have the track record to match the likes of Belichick (three Super Bowl rings in a four-year span in New England) or fellow current coaching veteran Tom Coughlin of the Giants (two Super Bowl rings in 10 years in New York), only the relative longevity. When Lewis was hired in Cincinnati, the league's coaching ranks still included proven names like Dan Reeves, Marty Schottenheimer, Bill Parcells, Bill Cowher, Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, Dick Vermeil, Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden. Now he's one of the long-time survivors in a profession that turns over more rapidly than ever.

"It is amazing how quickly 12 years can go, that's the first thing I realize,'' Lewis said. "Because the changes occur season after season. Guys like Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher are still young enough to still be coaching, obviously, but there's a sense of accomplishment when you win a Super Bowl, and there comes some life after football. When you're still in the quest for it, like I am, it keeps driving you. Obviously, what a Bill Belichick or a Tom Coughlin has done year after year, that's what you aspire to be like as a coach."

Upon taking the Bengals job, Lewis said he never dreamed of staying on the job for a decade-plus, but he took a 2-14 club and went 8-8 in his first two seasons in 2003-04, won the AFC North at 11-5 in 2005, and didn't record his first losing record until 2007. Lewis recalls during that first season just hoping to make it to Year 2 in Cincinnati.

"They had [a festival] they called 'Tall Stacks' here in Cincinnati at the time, where the riverboats in October would come to town and dock,'' Lewis said. "They're beautiful and I remember driving downtown to drop some family members off, and seeing those boats on the river and thinking to myself, Boy, it'll be nice when I see the Tall Stacks come back again, because that means I'm still here and might get to experience them some day. But at that point in your career, that first year, you can't see the forest for the trees. You have no idea about longevity. You're just going day to day, week to week.''

Like Dungy before him, Lewis was once the face of the league's minority head coaching candidate issue, a coach whose wait in line to be hired took longer than expected after his successful turn as Baltimore's defensive coordinator, highlighted by the Ravens' surprise Super Bowl title of 2000. When the Bengals named him coach in January 2003, he was one of three minority coaches, joining Dungy in Indianapolis and Herm Edwards with the Jets. This year, by comparison, there are five minority head coaches: himself, Pittsburgh's Mike Tomlin, Tampa Bay's Lovie Smith, Detroit's Jim Caldwell and Carolina's Ron Rivera, who is of Latino descent.

"Even though maybe at this point this year the number of minority coaches is still a smaller percentage than it has been at different times, I still feel like we made progress as a league on that front once the Rooney Rule was implemented in 2003,'' Lewis said. "It's just not looked at as a big deal any more. The coach is hired for his abilities, and he's getting opportunities based on those abilities. To me, a guy like Mike Tomlin has really set the bar high for young minority coaches with what he's done and how he's gone about it. Because he was young in the league, but he's brought a great degree of expertise, a great degree of energy, and he's got a plan. He was very successful early on, as both a coordinator and a head coach.''

The NFL this weekend in Philadelphia will conduct its annual Career Development Symposium for aspiring head coaching and general manager candidates at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. Open to all league coaching and GM candidates, not just minorities, the seminar last year featured a speech from Lewis, who ironically lost both of his coordinators -- Jay Gruden (Washington) and Mike Zimmer (Minnesota) -- to head coaching hires this offseason. Both Zimmer and Gruden attended last year's symposium and were helped by their association with the successful program Lewis has led in Cincinnati.

But their departures have inevitably led to chatter about whether Lewis can win without them, and with newly promoted offensive coordinator Hue Jackson (the former Raiders head coach, and 2012-13 Bengals running backs coach) and defensive coordinator Paul Guenther (formerly linebackers coach). That's another part of the Bengals' challenge this season, winning enough to survive beyond the first round of the playoffs despite significant changes to the coaching staff, as well as the loss of key free agents like defensive end Michael Johnson, offensive tackle Anthony Collins and valuable slot receiver Andrew Hawkins.

"I haven't heard that [chatter], but believe me, that's the exciting part of it, and after one day of practice, I feel good about where things are, and with our two new coordinators,'' Lewis said. "Hue has been with me off and on for a long time, and Paul came here in 2005. Mike did a great job and the fit of him and I was good because we saw defense with the same eyes and had been friends for a long time. It was an easy marriage. But it's the same thing now with Paul.''

The Bengals, said Lewis, all have "something to prove.'' Be it the veteran head coach, the new coordinators, the players expected to step up and fill the holes left by Johnson, Collins and Hawkins, or Dalton in his pivotal fourth season, there's arguably more pressure in Cincinnati this season than in any other NFL locale.

And the spotlight will fall first and longest on Dalton, whose winning regular-season play has largely been obscured by his one-touchdown, six-interception showing in three career playoff starts. Lewis has stood staunchly behind Dalton as the team's quarterback of the present and future, and Cincinnati waiting until the fifth round to select a quarterback in this year's draft -- Alabama's Dalton-like AJ McCarron -- sent the clear message the Bengals remain Dalton's team.

"From the time he's stepped back into Cincinnati this offseason, he's had these guys rally back around him,'' Lewis said. "All he did this offseason was go and spend time with [noted passing mechanics coach] Tom House, the guy Drew Brees and other quarterbacks have spent time with. Andy's wife is pregnant and about to have their first child, but he's still really driven by football and that's a great thing to see.

"Everybody wants to blame our quarterback for everything, but in that game against San Diego it was both offense and defense. We didn't stop them on third down and get off the field, our great little running back [Giovani Bernard] fumbled the football [at the 5-yard line], and we didn't make any plays on special teams or turn the ball over on defense. It's easy to point at one guy, but baloney, the football team didn't play as well as we needed to win.''

Is Dalton's long-awaited contract extension going to get done? Lewis remains optimistic.

"I'm hopeful, you know?'' he said. "I know he would like to get it done and I know we'd like to get it done, and just hopefully we can get by that deal with my man, [Jay] Cutler in Chicago [seven years $54 million guaranteed] and we can all get something everybody likes.''

Contract extension for Dalton or not, the only thing that everybody's going to like in Cincinnati this season is a playoff win or two. The reality is the Bengals aren't where they used to be for so long, near the bottom of the barrel in the league. But they certainly aren't where they need to be, either. And that has to change, or changes of a different sort are likely inevitable.

"I know we're not satisfied,'' Lewis said. "I think we've really come light years as a team, but we can't stay the same and think we're going to stay status quo. We've tried doing that and failed at it. You've got to work hard every year and you've got to climb the mountain every year. We've learned that over time.''

But only this year's results will prove whether the lesson has finally resonated with Lewis' Bengals. In Cincinnati this season, it's time to take the next step. Or else.


http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/05/28/cincinnati-bengals-marvin-lewis-andy-dalton


Get that: "Or else." Oh, brother. That was back in May of 2014. In the subsequent season Marvin Lewis made the playoffs again and lost in the first round again. Same thing in the following year, 2015. And Marvin Lewis still retains his comfortable perch as head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals.

That didn't stop Don Banks from claiming that Marvin Lewis is "under pressure" for 2016. Not only that, but it's supposed to be a slam dunk!

A message to Don Banks -- Mike Brown will never fire Marvin Lewis. Stop making yourself look silly.

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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October 24 2016, 8:32 PM 

This message board has a long and distinguished track record in calling for Marvin Lewis's ouster. We already saw a collection of Lumina threads a few posts up. Here's a selection of passionate outrage from some of our other fine posters.

2011:

Murf --
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1317302696

2010:

Murf --
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1287946135
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1290419992

2009:

CIN-C-STAR --
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1238552995

2008:

Whit --
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1230229093

2007:

Murf --
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1192396412

Storm --
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1196888665

Stixdog --
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1197873886

Dunn4QB --
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1183855021

2006:

Medic --
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1167600561

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October 25 2016, 5:57 PM 

Here we go again with the expectation that Mike Brown is a normal owner and the Cincinnati Bengals are a normal franchise.

Cincinnati Bengals’ Woes May Have Marvin Lewis’ Job in Jeporady
Jaclynkelli Kronemberg - With the First Pick - October 21, 2016

The Cincinnati Bengals are off to a 2-4 start making everyone question whether Marvin Lewis is in the Hot Seat. Since the playoff collapse against the Pittsburgh Steelers last season the Bengals have yet to right the ship.

There were high hopes coming into the 2016 season for the Cincinnati Bengals. No one thought they would be 2-4 at this point in the season. This time last year they were on their way to 7-0 starting the season off perfect.

This season they can’t get seem to get it right. The Bengals defeated the Miami Dolphins and the New York Jets. The games they lost have come against the stiff competition of the Broncos, Steelers, Cowboys and Patriots.

Granted they have played top competition to start the season. But if they don’t turn things around one has to think that Marvin Lewis could lose his job. There are no excuses for this play with the talent on this team.

Last season the Cincinnati Bengals were posed to win their first playoff game since 1990. They had the game in the bag until Vontaze Burfict committed an illegal helmet to helmet hit on Antonio Brown. This ultimately cost the Bengals the game. Burfict was handed a three game suspension this season for that hit.

All game Burfict was aiming to take out a player on the Steelers in the playoff game. This season after serving his suspension it seems as if he hasn’t learned his lesson. Last week against the Patriots Burfict hit Martellus Bennett low and stomped on LaGarrette Blount’s ankle after a play.

After diligently reviewing the play the NFL decided to fine Burfict $75,000. Marvin Lewis is coming to the defense of his player instead of taking control of the situation. Burfict has been fined eight times for a total of $805,000, it is not an accident any more. If someone is constantly being fined for making illegal hits it is a habit not an accident.

Lewis defending Burfict just shows the lack of control he has over his players. Burfict’s actions are preventing the Bengals from winning key games. He cost them a playoff win. Against New England the Cincinnati Bengals were winning 14-10 before collapsing in the second half.

The rest of the season is easier. The Cincinnati Bengals can still make a run for the playoffs but if they don’t make it Marvin Lewis may be out. The Bengals have made the playoffs five straight years only to get knocked out in the first round. Lewis needs to win a playoff game in order to save his job and they can get back on track Sunday.

If the Bengals don’t turn around their season soon they will be searching for a new coach in he offseason. It all starts this week when they go up against division rival the Cleveland Browns. The Browns have yet to win a game so the Bengals should be able to get a victory. They still have the ability to win the AFC North or make get the Wild Card spot. Lewis just needs to get his players on track to start winning games.


http://withthefirstpick.com/2016/10/21/cincinnati-bengals-woes-may-marvin-lewis-job-jeporady/


No, the Bengals will not be searching for a new head coach this offseason, under any circumstances. Mike Brown will never fire Marvin Lewis.

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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October 27 2016, 6:15 PM 

Here's USA Today with their weekly hot seat update.

NFL coach hot seat rankings: Could Chip Kelly be one and done with 49ers?
Nate Davis - USA TODAY Sports - 8:45 a.m. EDT October 26, 2016

Just when you thought an NFL coach might truly be wading into shark-infested waters, it seems his struggling team rallies behind him (or simply rights itself courtesy of an advantageous matchup). So with yet another change at the top, here's the latest installment of our weekly hot seat rankings: ...

3. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals: His underachieving squad, losers of four of its previous five, beat up on Lewis' confidant, Hue Jackson, and the hapless Cleveland Browns in Week 7. Still, 31 points, 559 yards of offense, the 2016 debut of Pro Bowl TE Tyler Eifert and a much more favorable schedule moving forward suggest the Bengals have a decent shot at a sixth straight playoff appearance — which history suggests should be enough to bring Lewis back for a 15th season. Last week: 1

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/10/25/head-coach-hot-seat-rankings-chip-kelly-gus-bradley/92722936/


Playoffs, smayloffs. History suggests that Marvin Lewis will be back next year, regardless. And the year after that, and the year after that, and the year after that... and the year after that...

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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October 27 2016, 6:46 PM 

One quick question - do any of these people have a grasp on the mike brown persona? Recall he was very reluctant to let Dave Shula go - he called him good people. None of these writers are familiar with the MBS board and how we have ranted endlessly over the mike brown situation. They obviously don't have a very good handle on how things work in this town like we do.

 
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