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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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October 27 2016, 6:57 PM 

To be serious for a moment, the question is: Are they clueless about Mike Brown or just too damn lazy to write something that falls outside of the cliches? Much easier to write another cookie cutter article about coaches on the hot seat. The big name journalists are as guilty as anybody else.

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they're just going through the motions

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October 27 2016, 10:29 PM 

much like Mikey Brown and the Bengals do, pretending to be a real NFL franchise
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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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October 28 2016, 6:00 PM 

Just a quick question psycho, this is a little off topic but at the end of all your posts where it says what MB should have said versus what he did say, what was it that he said? The what he did say link is dead.


    
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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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October 30 2016, 6:43 AM 

Hm. I'll have to fix that link. I can't find the full quote anywhere right now, but here is a facsimile.

"Quarterbacks are like queen bees. You can only have one before they start crawling all over each other, and we have ours."

MB was answering a question about bringing Mike Vick in as a backup to Carson Palmer, way back when.

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 1 2016, 10:04 PM 

Nate Davis is good for one of these every week.

NFL hot seat rankings: Another coach suddenly in jeopardy?
Nate Davis - USA TODAY Sports - 4:21 p.m. EDT November 1, 2016

As the NFL season reaches its midpoint, the rumor mill regarding coaches who could be in trouble is starting to get cranked up as more and more owners get cranky with the state of their franchises. Without further hesitation, here's the latest installment of our weekly hot seat rankings: ...

4. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals: He's got the healthiest team in the AFC North, but that translated to all of one win in October. Heading into their bye week, the Bengals have a golden opportunity to regroup before embarking on what appears to be a favorable second-half schedule. If not, ownership may no longer look favorably upon Lewis. Last week: 3


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/11/01/head-coach-hot-seat-rankings-john-fox-gus-bradley/93102310/


Mike Brown will always look favorably upon, and never fire, Marvin Lewis.

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 2 2016, 10:46 AM 

I would wake up and be a multimillionaire tomorrow before that happened. Mikey isn't geared to generating championship teams or he would have done it by now. Winning isn't real high on his priorities list.

 
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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 2 2016, 3:55 PM 

Psycho, I still feel Marvin could lose his job but only if he has a bad year this year and most likely next year too. I understand your point, but there is one thing that Mike Brown loves that he might be willing to part with Marvin over - money. Two down seasons and lagging ticket sales may force him into action. That's how we got rid of Bratkowski for instance. We'll see. I just don't see Marvin sticking around for another rebuilding - which is what this team might need.
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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 3 2016, 8:53 PM 

Katie, I do recall Dick LeBeau getting canned after only two years, under a scenario much like what you're describing: season ticket holders bailing, corporate holders of club seats bailing, et cetera. The thing with that, though, was that it literally took the fans a dozen years to get there. The Bungs only playoff run in that span was a half-asst effort that ended with a 6-10 record. That was followed by the worst season in franchise history -- two wins in 2002.

With all the flak we like to throw at Marvin Lewis, it's clear he can work with Mike Brown in a semi-functional way. Well enough to achieve middling success. And we know that Cincinnati fans, being the sheeple that they are, will not revolt under those circumstances.

Thus, Mike Brown will never fire Marvin Lewis.

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 3 2016, 9:30 PM 

Maybe a little warm, according to this scribe.

11 NFL head coaches on the hot seat, ranked from warm to scorching
Brett Smiley - Fox Sports - 11-02-2016

Hand on the stove just to see how it feels: Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals (3-4-1)
It’s a similar story here. It’s not that Lewis is doing a worse job this season; the Bengals aren’t cruising to another playoff berth because the personnel is trending downward due to age and free agency departures, combined with several offseason coaching departures, namely former offensive coordinator Hue Jackson. The Bengals have a bye week after their tie in London to rest up before embarking on a manageable slate of games to get back to the playoffs. If that doesn't happen, owner Mike Brown may look to let go of Lewis to give the organization a jolt just like the Giants let go of successful head coach Tom Coughlin last offseason.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/11-nfl-head-coaches-on-the-hot-seat-ranked-from-warm-to-scorching/ss-AAjKCgU#image=4


Nope, it's ice cold. And it will stay ice cold, even if the Bungs fail to make the playoffs. Mike Brown will never look to give the organization a jolt, and he will never fire Marvin Lewis.

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Up to the Fans

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November 4 2016, 9:12 AM 

The fans that go to the game that is. Mikey doesn't care that much about the fans that don't go to the games. Have to agree with Kate - when the money starts to go down then mikey will act. He needs the money to pay players, FA's, high draft picks and that tiny front office of his. Hard to put a % of fans not going to games or % of luxury boxes not being renewed or how long those conditions will last before it becomes unbearable. The only clue we have is when LeBeau was in control and the bungs went 2-14 in 2002 and attendance was down 30% or so. That lasted about 2 years so that might give you a sense of time.

 
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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 5 2016, 8:54 AM 

I'm fond of all my fellow MBS'ers, including everyone who disagrees with me on this thread. Nevertheless, you are absolutely living in La La Land if you think Mike Brown might fire his head coach after a couple of disappointing seasons. You fundamentally misunderstand the man if you think this is all about accumulating the biggest pile of cash.

Mike Brown lives in a modest home and drives a modest car. He shuns extravagance with every fibre of his being. He seeks security and stability above all things, for himself and his family. Please note that he has that now, in spades. Don't forget about the great stadium deal. Or that "rainy day fund" he's been building for years and wouldn't touch even during the player strike. A mini-rebellion among the fans would barely register as an annoyance.

And in case you forgot, Mike Brown is probably the most stubborn man on earth. He likes and appreciates Marvin Lewis. He knows that Marvin won't do anything to embarrass him, save for losing the big games, and Mike Brown has shown immense tolerance for that. I other words, he's not going to fire Marvin Lewis. Ever.

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 7 2016, 5:26 PM 

Making Marvin an "honorable mention" is bad enough.

NFL coaches on the hot seat at midseason
Jonathan Jones - Sports Illustrated - 11/01/2016

Ratings are down and penalties are up, but there are still a few certainties around this part of the NFL calendar. The annual wave of firings will begin in about two months, and a handful of coaches should feel their seats heating up right now. Last season six teams switched coaches at some point, which wasn’t too far from the league’s average in recent years. There’s little reason to doubt there will be a similar number of vacancies by the end of Black Monday, which follows the Week 17 action of New Year’s Day. Here are the five coaches who could face the axe at or before season’s end, ranked by degree from a leather seat on a summer day to an accidental press of the seat warmer button. (Honorable mention: Marvin Lewis and Rex Ryan.) — Jonathan Jones


http://www.si.com/nfl/photo/2016/11/01/nfl-coaches-hot-seat-gus-bradley-jeff-fisher


Marvin Lewis should be "no methion" becuase he will never be fired by Mike Brown

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 14 2016, 8:40 PM 

Time to catch up. I took my own little bye week from this tedious task.

NFL hot seat rankings: Has Todd Bowles lost control of the Jets?
Nate Davis - USA TODAY Sports - 4:18 p.m. EST November 9, 2016

With the country opting for radical change on Election Day, many NFL owners may soon have to decide if they'll vote to go in a new direction on the sideline following the 2016 season. Here's the latest installment of our weekly hot seat rankings: ...

4. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals: Though his talented (but disappointing) team sits at 3-4-1, it's now only a half-game off the lead in a year that's seen the AFC North go south. The stars could be aligning for Lewis to spark this group to a long-awaited postseason victory ... if not, he might find he's finally exhausted all of owner Mike Brown's patience. Last week: 4

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/11/08/head-coach-hot-seat-rankings-todd-bowles-gus-bradley/93463434/


Mike Brown's patience is limitless and inexhaustible. He will never fire Marvin Lewis.

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 14 2016, 8:50 PM 

Back by popular demand.

Lumina, 2016 regular season:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/90650/thread/1479185183/last-1479185351/FIRE+LEWIS+NOW

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 17 2016, 6:00 PM 

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/marvin-lewis-has-run-out-of-chances-must-step-up/


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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 17 2016, 7:32 PM 

Let me quote the whole thing, Storm. I think this is the same one that JB mentioned.

Marvin Lewis has run out of chances, must step up
The Bengals coach has to step up or else it is time to clean house in Cincinnati.
Anthony Broome - CBS Sports - Nov 16, 2016

The Cincinnati Bengals are coming off of a less than ideal start to the season sitting at 3-5-1 and it is clear that something is not right with one of the most talented rosters in the entire league, and it starts right at the top.

Marvin Lewis has been with the team since 2003 and his tenure has yet to provide a playoff victory, something that has eluded the franchise since the 1991 season. They have had seven chances to do so, but have been unable to get the job done as recent as last season.

One would think that would fuel the team's fire heading into 2016, even with losing some of their key contributors to free agency. Instead, Bengals fans have been greeted with a team that looks lost and has not been able to find an answer yet with not much time left to figure them out.

The AFC North title is right there for the taking and the Bengals likely have to win out or come close in order to make the playoffs. They still have two meetings with the Baltimore Ravens and one with the Steelers, so there is time to get back into the mix, but the defensive woes have not worked themselves out and the offensive line has taken major steps back from last season.

Lewis may not be completely to blame for the team's struggles, but it is clear that complacency has set in with the team and if the team is going to find a spark moving forward, it has to start with him. Players have to be held accountable for their performance if they cannot get the job done, changes must be made. Loyalty is why this team finds itself where they are.

If he can't make the changes they need, then Mike Brown will be forced to.

It would be a lot easier on everyone if they figured it out and did so starting Sunday against the Buffalo Bills.


Yes, it is time to clean house in Cincinnati. No, Mike Brown is not going to do it. He won't be forced to do a damn thing. And he will never fire Marvin Lewis.

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 17 2016, 9:29 PM 

You may remember Emile Pierce from our continuity thread. here he sounds just like one of us. Seriously. He even refers to "Marvelous Marv" and says he "hasn't sniffed the second round of the playoffs."

You can come here and post any time, Emile.

My only criticism is that it's too late for the Bungs to make adjustments. This season is already a lost cause.


Cincinnati Bengals Still Feeling The Marvin Lewis Effect
Emile Pierce - Fansided, Stripehype - 11-17-2016

Marvin Lewis has solid tenure in the NFL. But, in his time as Bengals’ leader, he keeps delivering the same disappointments. Is time running out?

Week 11 is upon the NFL world and it’s a shocking revelation for many. But, the bizarre happenings of 2016 are nothing new to fans of the Cincinnati Bengals. It’s the same old story warmed over. Promises of a spectacular year are overshadowed by the reality of mediocre preparation and play. Each year, there are changes made in the Queen City. But, one thing has remained the same for 13 years. Marvin Lewis has been the head coach.

On the heels of a record-setting season, the Bengals were supposed to dominate the AFC North. This was supposed to be the year of the tiger. Andy Dalton was healthy and looked sharp in camp. Reggie Nelson and Leon Hall were gone but replaced by young talent ready to make headlines. So far, that dream has fizzled. The Marvin Lewis effect has taken hold once again and produced a season of desperation.

For some strange reason, the Bengals can’t seem to get over the hump. What hump? Actually, any hump that they encounter. The season has been a rollercoaster ride of emotions and mistakes that add up to the same thing…disappointment.

When does it change? What will make the Lewis effect a non-factor on this team? Those questions rise to the forefront each and every year.

Why Is Lewis Still Around?

Honestly, that situation has been questioned by so many people it should be a mainstay on Jeopardy!.

“Alex, I’ll take Bengals’ Fans for $200.”

“That’s a Daily Double! No playoff wins, sounds like a broken record, needs to be fired.”

“Who is Marvin Lewis?”

“Right.”

Since his hiring as head coach of the Bengals, Lewis has become one of the longest-tenured coaches in the league. The only football guru ahead of him is Bill Belichick. It’s a nice warm and cozy feeling to see a coach with job security. But, when the effort doesn’t match the effect, why keep things the same?

Lewis has been to the postseason seven times and is still shooting blanks. Stephen A. Smith may not be everyone’s cup of tea but he’s a sage in the eyes of most Cincinnati fans. Smith has been asking for Lewis’ head for some time. Don’t expect to see it happen anytime soon. Bengals’ owner Mike Brown isn’t going to switch gears in the middle of the season. The stakes are too high. Plus, that ain’t how Brown rolls. He’s an insider. Who’s the capable replacement from inside the organization?

Coaches have been replaced for much less than what Marvin is doing (or not doing) in Cincinnati. It’s gotten absolutely laughable.

The Excuses

First, it was going to be a hard first half of the season. With Vontaze Burfict out, the Bengals would struggle on defense. After Burfict returned, things would get better. Since No. 55 has been back, the Bengals are 2-3-1. Nah. That wasn’t the answer. Next came the Tyler Eifert debate. Eifert was supposed to turn the clock back to 2015. Nope, hasn’t happened. The Pro Bowl tight end has nice numbers but the team is 1-1-1 with his return.

Coaching is about adjustments and utilizing the players available. Sure, there are high-salaried players that can make a difference. But, there’s also the matter of having a system that works without the insane dollar amounts. Yes, times have changed. Football has evolved since the days of Bill Walsh, Sam Wyche, and Don Shula. But, at the same time, it recycles. A leader will stay on the cutting edge and take note of those shifts.

Lewis is in the ballpark but he hasn’t hit a home run. Brown has kept Lewis around in hopes he matches the production of other coaches with tons of wins. There’s a huge problem with that mindset. Those other coaches have won Conference Championships and played in Super Bowls. In 13 long years, Marvin hasn’t even sniffed the second round of the playoffs.

Rabid Cincinnati fans shouting for the head of Marvin Lewis is natural. In fact, I hear the current mayor is talking about making it a local holiday. The problem is simple. Brown has hired a coach that wins. Money is being made.

If Marvelous Marv turns the Bengals’ season around, he’ll be given an extension. That’s just the way it is. There’s still time for a repeat of 2012…if adjustments are made.


http://stripehype.com/2016/11/17/bengals-still-feeling-marvin-lewis-effect/

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 20 2016, 12:00 PM 

I'm sure I've missed a few entries the past few weeks. Any help would be appreciated. This is going to start heating up.

9 NFL coaches who could be fired in 2016
Cameron DaSilva - FoxSports - Nov 16, 2016 12:01p ET

2. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals

We’ve made it through 10 weeks without a head coach being fired despite four teams having two or fewer wins. Part of that is because of the number of new coaches in the NFL, but it’s also due to the fact that there are extenuating circumstances surrounding several of the teams struggling to win football games.

The lack of turnover will change in a month or two as teams and front offices begin to see through the settling dust and determine whether their head coach is a fit for their respective team. And then, as usual, things will get ugly on the Monday after Week 17. Until then, we'll re-evaluate this outlook each Wednesday. There are a handful of head coaches on the hot seat entering Week 11, but just how warm are those cushions? ...

It’s fair to say Lewis hasn’t gotten enough credit for the job he’s done the past five years. That’s partly because the Bengals haven’t won a single playoff game with him at the helm despite making the postseason the past five years and seven times altogether since Lewis took over in 2003. He’s the second-longest-tenured head coach in the NFL behind Bill Belichick.

Unfortunately, it may be time for a change after Cincinnati’s 3-5-1 start. The loss of former offensive coordinator Hue Jackson, compounded by the departures of receivers Marvin Jones and Mohamed Sanu have hurt the offense and ultimately the team as a whole. Lewis’ time in Cincinnati may be up if the Bengals finish below .500 as they’re on pace to.


http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/nfl-coach-hot-seat-rankings-fired-gus-bradley-marvin-lewis-111616


The Bungles could lose out for the rest of the season and Marvin Lewis would still keep his job. Mike Brown will never fire him, baring some sort of gross insubordination, which isn't going to happen, either.

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Re: The Perpetual Marvin Lewis Hot Seat Roundup

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November 20 2016, 9:43 PM 

From 5 days ago - Erik Lambert again.

https://www.google.com/amp/nflmocks.com/2016/11/15/2016-nfl-hot-seat-marvin-lewis-losing-his-grip-in-cincinnati/amp/

"Part of the reason the Bengals have kept Marvin Lewis in charge was because he kept winning. Despite an obvious aversion to playoff success, the guy knew how to get there. So naturally people started asking how safe his job would be if that well ran dry. Cincinnati is about to find out as the team dropped to 3-4-1 on the season. The AFC North is slipping away and perhaps Lewis' job with it."

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Kept winning - he's barely over .500

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November 20 2016, 11:53 PM 

It's such ******** that Lewis "kept winning"!

He's barely over .500 for his time in Cincy.
His record against PLAYOFF teams is 27-60-2
Belichick is something like 84-58 vs playoff teams (you can check on pro football reference)... about the same number of losses vs playoff teams as Marvin Lewis, with an additional 57 wins (the equivalent of three and a half seasons of just watching the Patriots beat playoff teams every single week)

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