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More Crazed Continuity: 2017 Offseason Edition

January 9 2017 at 6:44 PM
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Might as well start a new continuity thread for a new offseason. The 2016 thread has grown long and unwieldy.

Here you are: the first entry for 2017.

What we learned from the Bengals’ victory over the Ravens
All in all, the Bengals finished the 2016 season on a good note.
Connor Howe - Cincy Jungle - Jan 3, 2017, 12:00pm EST

The Bengals are a playoff-caliber franchise coming off an anomaly season.

My column, my opinion. You, the reader, are completely entitled to disagree — and I welcome all feedback, whether agreement or disagreement. But from my experience, this is a team that simply couldn’t adapt and adjust to the changes and transition between 2015 and 2016. We’ve seen guys like George Iloka, Shawn Williams and others ascend late in the season, hitting their stride just a tad too late after a slow start. For as much criticism as he’s gotten, Zampese has drastically improved as a play-caller throughout the season, though he still has a ways to go. Green, Eifert, Burfict, Bernard and others will hopefully return from injury ready to roll early in the 2017 season. The optimist in me sees the Bengals’ roster, the team’s upcoming schedule (hello, AFC South) and its continuity between seasons — a formula that had worked prior to the team’s 2016 aberration — and believes there’s a good chance the Bengals are back to contention next year. You can disagree, but I’m going to be optimistic.


http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/1/3/14143502/bengals-playoffs-what-we-learned-final-thoughts


How excellently appropriate to highlight "continuity between seasons" as that is exactly what the scribes do.

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Re: More Crazed Continuity: 2017 Offseason Edition

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January 9 2017, 7:17 PM 

Is that guy stoned on H or something? Balt didn't have anything to play for and the bungs didn't either. Balt was down from the past week and they pretty much mailed it in. Also mikey has a history of teasing the fans with a win late inn the year after a bad season to seduce them into thinking the team has "turned the corner". Really!!! to make this conclusion after one game? Mikey ought to give the fans a big sucker.

 
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January 11 2017, 4:34 PM 

Shades of Paul Alexander with the O-line "needing" you-know-what.

Diagnosing and fixing the Bengals’ offensive line problems
How can the offensive line get back on track in 2017?
John Sheeran - Cincy Jungle - Jan 11, 2017, 9:00am EST

You’d be hard pressed to find an offense that operates consistently well over the course of a year when three right tackles end up getting a significant number of snaps. An offensive line needs continuity more than anything. When the line was considered one of the best in the league in 2015, all five of their starters started every game (other than Smith missing two due to injury) and barely missed any time. That wasn’t the case this year, and it really hit hard at the right tackle spot.


http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/1/11/14231918/diagnosing-and-fixing-the-bengals-offensive-line-problems


Not seeing anything from the bigfoot scribes so far.

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January 11 2017, 4:55 PM 

Here we go. Our first twofer of the offseason.

Defense looks to roll '16 into '17
Geoff Hobson - Bengals.com - Jan 11, 2017

Guenther sat down with Geoff Hobson of Bengals.com this week to discuss how the defense can ease into next season, emphasizing the continuity of staff and roster that they didn’t have starting last season and taking a long look at youth in the spring and summer.

GH: Two or three off-season priorities?

PG: No. 1 we have to do a good job identifying players that fill our needs.

No. 2, we won’t have as many players or coaches leaving this year. We have to make sure when we come back in here in the spring that we’re playing and communicating at the same level as when we left. We have to come in with the continuity of staff and players and play at the level we finished the ’16 season.

And No. 3, once we get on the field I think we can create some more fumbles. (The Bengals ended up with only three this season.) The points have been good. The interceptions are good, but we’d like to get more fumbles. ...


http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Defense-looks-to-roll-16-into-17/c86538af-095d-4c69-af36-c226d1bb81f8


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January 11 2017, 5:06 PM 

Yes, promoting Paul Guenther to DC allowed the Bungs to maintain continuity. Just like promoting Ken Zampese to OC did the same.

Paul Guenther Blocked From Interviewing For Redskins Defensive Coordinator Job
Jacob Camenker - Fansided: Riggo's Rag - Jan 7, 2017

However, after Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer got a head coaching job in Minnesota, the Bengals elected to promote Guenther to defensive coordinator. The move made sense, as it helped maintain continuity with the team. At the same time, Gruden had to pick a new candidate, and ended up choosing to retain Jim Haslett, who parted ways with the team after the 2014 season. This ended up leading to the hiring of Joe Barry, which ended in the first week of 2017.


https://riggosrag.com/2017/01/07/paul-guenther-blocked-redskins/


The coordinators coordinate continuity continuously, after all.

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January 11 2017, 5:14 PM 

Katie, where are you? There will be no issues maintaining a continuity thread this offseason.

Vance Joseph's defenses have had some success slowing Steelers star Antonio Brown
Vance Joseph-coached teams have gotten better and better at defending Antonio Brown.
Tim Healey - Miami Sun-Sentinal - January 4, 2017, 6:17 PM

In 2014, Brown burned Joseph's secondary for 245 yards across two games. In 2015, Joseph's crew brought that down to an average of 67 yards in two games. This season, the Bengals — who maintained defensive coaching continuity outside of Joseph's departure — and Joseph's Dolphins defense found similar success against Brown.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-sidebar-0105-20170104-story.html


The Bungs are all about coaching continuity.

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January 28 2017, 6:23 PM 

Now we have an entry from Katherine Terrell.

Bengals need to build around core pieces to be a Super Bowl contender
Katherine Terrell - ESPN - Jan 26, 2017

Assessing the foundation: The Cincinnati Bengals favor continuity probably more than any team in the league, as many members of their coaching staff have been together since Marvin Lewis was hired or before. The question is, has that continuity stagnated, or did the Bengals simply have a down season?


http://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/25945/bengals-need-to-build-around-core-pieces-to-be-a-super-bowl-contender


Yes, thank you. The Bungles do indeed value continuity more than any other team in the league, and it can indeed grow stale. There' nothing worse than warmed-over continuity. Blaaaaak.

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January 28 2017, 6:29 PM 

Another visit from Emile Pierce.

Marvin Lewis Wants Another Contract Extension
Emile Pierce - Stripe Hype - January 26, 2017

In the wake of losing key free agents and coaches leaving, the Bengals have to keep things in order. The lack of continuity was largely due to new teaching techniques. But, that’s what coaches are hired to do. They have to make adjustments in the midst of injuries and turmoil. Their job is to navigate the ship through the storm. Lewis and his staff failed to do that in 2016. Looking for an extension essentially means the system will produce a championship. If it doesn’t, what then?


http://stripehype.com/2017/01/25/marvin-lewis-wants-another-contract-extension/


Can a guy get another mention of continuity, please?

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February 11 2017, 11:33 AM 

Looks like we're only going to get a trickle this offseason. Here Emile uses it once ironically but then again un-ironically. Seems ironic, don't you think?

Bengals’ Super Bowl LII Blueprint Starts Now
Emile Pierce - Fansided / Stripe Hype - February 7, 2017

Zampese And The Offense

Let’s face the facts. Dalton is a good quarterback. Under the watchful eyes of Hue Jackson and Ken Zampese, he developed into a potentially dangerous passer. But, to get him back to that 2015 level, there has to be “continuity.” The Bengals don’t have Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger. They have a talented system quarterback that can get the job done. But, he needs weapons around him. ...

The Bengals need continuity in the worst way. Zampese has to build a relationship with Dalton and the offense. After all, Josh McDaniels has been the Patriots OC since…like forever? Playing musical chairs with coordinators is a dangerous game.


https://stripehype.com/2017/02/07/bengals-super-bowl-lii-blueprint-starts-now/4/

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February 11 2017, 11:39 AM 

I agree with that premise but always leave those kinds of things open ended. I do believe that Zampese needs another year, but there is a such thing as a coordinator or coach who is so bad that keeping them long term can be detrimental. After all, championship windows are small these days, even if you are the Patriots.

And whether Dalton "is a good QB" or not, I do appreciate that the author seemingly does not even have McCarron on the radar. As I've said before, outside of Bengals fans and Alabama fans almost no one thinks that McCarron is better now, has better upside, or should even be in the conversation for the Bungs' QB job.


    
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February 16 2017, 5:18 PM 

There are no words... except for you-know...

This is one of those posts that deserves to be quoted in its entirety.

Bengals’ continuity among best in NFL
You could make a good case for this being a good or bad thing.
Jason Marcum - Cincy Jungle - Feb 15, 2017, 9:00am EST

The Bengals are one of the NFL’s best franchises when it comes to continuity.

Anyone who follows Cincinnati knows this to be true, but it may surprise you how much continuity this team really has. According to a study from ESPN, the Bengals are the sixth-best NFL team when it comes to continuity and remaining unchanged.
6. Cincinnati Bengals
GM: 1 | HC: 1 | OC: 3 | DC: 2 | Primary QBs: 1

The Bengals have used a league-low 77 starters since 2012. That is 30 fewer than the league average and 60 fewer than Chicago, which has used the most. Team owner Mike Brown has described himself as less involved in running the team. The people who have filled the power void have been with the Bengals for many years. Losing three coordinators to head-coaching jobs is what kept Cincinnati from ranking even higher.

Among the factors used for this study include:

* How long the head coach and GM have been with said franchise
* How long the offensive and defensive coordinator have been there
* Stability at quarterback
* Number of starters each team has used (77-137 was the range)
* Number of players who started at least one game in three of the past five seasons (22-33 was the range)
* Number of players who logged 2,000 snaps from scrimmage for teams over the past five seasons while remaining on the roster in 2016 (3-17 was the range).

Outside of having a new offensive coordinator in Ken Zampese last year, the Bengals were one of the best franchises when it came to stability and continuity, two things this franchise has prided itself on under Marvin Lewis.

That’s come to a fault at times with guys like Russell Bodine, Domata Peko, Rey Maualuga, Brandon Tate and even Lewis himself having big roles with the team for long periods, whereas many other franchises would have looked to find upgrades over those players and coach much sooner. The Bengals would rather Lewis’ mediocrity rather than taking a chance and shaking things up.

But it’s also been great having guys like Andrew Whitworth, Clint Boling, George Iloka, Andy Dalton, A.J. Green, Vincent Rey, Carlos Dunlap, and Geno Atkins spend the best years, if not all the years of their NFL careers in Cincinnati.

It also helps to see Cincinnati is right behind teams like New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Seattle and Carolina in this ranking. Those are teams who’ve all been to at least one Super Bowl since 2010 and have combined to win four of them. Those are the teams Cincinnati is in the same class with when it comes to continuity, so that would seem to bode well for the future of the Bengals organization. Five of the teams in the top 10 of this ranking made the playoffs following the 2016 regular season.

Teams at the bottom of the ranking include (from 32 up) the Browns, Bills, 49ers, Bears, Jets, Buccaneers, Titans and Jaguars. Many of those teams were among the NFL’s worst teams in 2016 and none made the playoffs. So, there seems to be at least some correlation between continuity and being a successful NFL team.

Knowing what we know about the Bengals, do you see continuity as a good or bad thing?


http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/2/15/14612892/bengals-continuity-among-best-nfl


You mean ESPN ranked NFL teams for continuity and the Bungs only came in sixth?! Anyway, that was seven-fer, folks.

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February 17 2017, 2:10 PM 

Haha! You win, Psycho. I still don't get how they can say that like it's a good thing when they haven't won a playoff game in 26 years and didn't even make the playoffs next year. If that's continuity, I sure as heck don't want it.
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February 18 2017, 2:16 PM 

"I still don't get how they can say that like it's a good thing when they haven't won a playoff game in 26 years and didn't even make the playoffs next year."


You know--Psycho has been sarcastic with the usage of the word "continuity". And we all should be. Those of us who have been in the trenches since the beginning and beyond? We all know that "continuity" is just a buzzword. A "Hey...all the 'popular kids' are doing it...you should too..." word.

Or maybe these columnists need something to talk about? Hey, I'm going to be original in my ESPN Segment tomorrow and talk about how much "continuity" the Cubs had from 1908 to recently.

Or maybe how much "continuity" the Browns have had since 1956. How much the Chargers' Ownership has had about changing area codes.

Or maybe, Psycho is right in pointing out the nincompoopery of the press to find something new to talk/write about. What a bunch of dullards. There's plenty to talk about. We've all proved it here. We don't try to "fit in". There's none of that here.

I want the press to be more f*cking original. Maybe we should take the reins for them?

You know what I think? Most of these columnists are academic. They have never played the game. Some of them--if they got one drop of mud on them as kids? Then their mommies would force them to immediately go in the house and take a long hot bath.

Or something. Why do something that somebody else already did yesterday? Maybe because you lack the experience to come up with something on your own.



    
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February 28 2017, 7:01 PM 

Katherine Terrell again.

Brandon LaFell was Bengals' best FA signing in '16; Will they go big in '17?
Katherine Terrell -- ESPN Staff Writer -- Feb 13, 2017

The Bengals feel free agency statistics don't favor putting a significant investment into one player that hasn't come up through their system. They feel that some players, particularly those who have come from struggling teams, have years of bad habits coached through other systems that are hard to break.

For a team like Cincinnati, which relies heavily on continuity with its coaching staff, that's a big sticking point.


http://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/26093/brandon-lafell-was-bengals-best-fa-signing-in-16-will-they-go-big-in-17

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March 10 2017, 5:55 PM 

Hobson quotes Dalton.

No panic from Dalton
Geoff Hobson - Bengals.com - March 10, 2017

Dalton refutes the notion the departures of Whitworth and Zeitler indicate the Bengals are focused more on development than contending.

“We feel like we’ve got talent,” Dalton said. “It’s one of those things it’s going to be Ced and it’s going to be Fish and there is going be a lot expected from them this year. I’m not going to say it’s rebuilding. But we feel like those guys are very talented and we just have to put it all together.

“We’ve had really good continuity since I’ve been here playing with the same guys and not every team has that. For us it’s going to be a new way of doing things with the new guys. It’s just the business of the league. You see it with our guys. They got contracts they deserve. The same goals are in mind. Win as many games as you can, win the Super Bowl. There are just different guys doing it.”


http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/No-panic-from-Dalton/49e362cc-645b-4017-a773-f22484d6513c


You sure don't have really good continuity any more. Better pray that Paul Alexander can work some magic.

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March 19 2017, 11:24 AM 

Time to catch up to these miscellaneous and sundry continuity citations. Dehner finally broke down this offseason and offered one up. It's about the O-line, the origin of Bengals continuity mania.


Analysis: Bengals turn line over to unprovens
Paul Dehner Jr. - Cincinnati Enquirer - ET March 9, 2017

Continuity along the offensive line served as a backbone of stringing off five consecutive playoff berths. Since 2012, the line essentially only experienced two changes. First, Russell Bodine taking over for Kyle Cook at center in 2014 and, second, the departure of Andre Smith last year.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2017/03/09/analysis-bengals-turn-line-over-unprovens/98977380/

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March 19 2017, 11:26 AM 

Remember Katie's rundown on how the Bengals message board conversations will go? The pattern also applies to blog posts, apparently. The Dalton quote makes it a towfer.


Don’t overreact to Bengals’ losses on offensive line
The Bengals have had a rough couple of days in relation to the offensive line, but there is no need to panic.
Kyle Phelps - Cincy Jungle - Mar 11, 2017, 7:00am EST

The Bengals’ offensive line is going through major changes this offseason, with Pro Bowl left tackle Andrew Whitworth moving to Los Angeles to sign with the Rams and former first round pick Kevin Zeitler moving to Cleveland to sign with the Browns. Luckily, the Bengals were able to retain rotational offensive tackle Eric Winston to help with the transition. This offseason seems like it will create more problems for the offensive line than solutions, but at least there will be some semblance of continuity.

“We’ve had really good continuity since I’ve been here playing with the same guys and not every team has that,” Andy Dalton told Geoff Hobson of Bengals.com. “For us it’s going to be a new way of doing things with the new guys. It’s just the business of the league. You see it with our guys. They got contracts they deserve. The same goals are in mind. Win as many games as you can, win the Super Bowl. There are just different guys doing it.”


http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/3/11/14883110/dont-overreact-to-bengals-losses-on-offensive-line

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March 19 2017, 11:36 AM 

Speaking of the O-line again, what wouldn't old line stalwart Dave Lapham get into the act?


Dave Lapham: Departures from the Bengals have been significant | Mar 16, 2017
NFL Network

Bengals Radio Network Color Analyst Dave Lapham discusses the lack of continuity for the Bengals in the past 2 years and what moves they may make in the 2017 NFL Draft.




Edit: I guess it's Ron Siciliano who says the word and not Lap.

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March 19 2017, 11:49 AM 

Missed one, from back in February. Another towfer.


Sticking to status quo positive move for Bengals this offseason
Most people wanted to see some heads roll after a disappointing 2016 campaign, but there’s some frustrating logic in keeping the major franchise figures in place.
Anthony Cosenza - Cincy Jungle - Feb 1, 2017, 1:25pm EST

Does the continuity in the staff point to a rebound in 2017, or will it be more of the same? ...

Continuity is a trend of champions: [That's a subtitle.]

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/2/1/14463958/sticking-to-status-quo-positive-move-for-bengals-this-offseason

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March 19 2017, 11:56 AM 

If I had been more on the ball, I would have realized that Anthony Cosenza was giving us a Groundhog Day Easter egg. (See above post.) And I would have noted it on the big day itself. We used to commemorate February 1 around here, but we're now too damned hardened in our grumpiness.

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