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No History, No Tradition?

December 5 2001 at 6:15 PM
  (Login csides)
from IP address 162.39.161.74

 
You Vols keep referring to LSU as a traditionless program, and although you own the series with us and we've had a woeful past 10 years, please explain how a program in the Top 15 all-time in wins, Top 10 all-time bowl appearances and Top 5 in attendance every year (even during those woeful 10 years) has no tradition.

You criticize the Eye of the Tiger (and I'm not a huge fan of it either), but how much does tailgating in parking garages, having a band that constantly pays techno music when not playing your fight song, naming every street on campus after an athlete from the past few years (Helton, Manning, Fulmer, Summit, Holdsclaw, Martin, etc. etc.) not smack of a program that has only recently found success?

I, however, understand that Tennessee does have a grand tradition, as do we and most of the schools in the SEC, and that the above-mentioned examples do not erase such tradition. It's not a game of who has more tradition -- both have tradition which is varied in some respects, similar in others. Some of you Vols need to look in the mirror and understand the same.

 
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Gray
(Login GrayZen)
209.246.86.130

Re: No History, No Tradition?

December 5 2001, 7:37 PM 

LSU has no traditon of any kind.

If you disagree, please list your reasons.

 
 
WorstedOne
(Login WorstedOne)
209.86.14.251

csides, I owe you a response

December 5 2001, 7:39 PM 

After a long and stressful day, I came in this afternoon to find your fellow tiger fans spewing their worthless trash left and right and I couldn't resist the temptation to jump in the fray. The fact of the matter is I respect your program and I recognize it as one with a long and storied history. I considered it a hard fought victory for UT when we (Willie Gault, I believe) ran a kickoff back and tied you at your place in the early 80s. The last decade has been difficult for sure. If you guys could keep Saban, I think you would consistently find your team at the top of the west. Unfortunately for you, I don't think he'll stay anywhere for an extended period.






 
 
Gray
(Login GrayZen)
209.246.86.130

I'll debunk these for starters

December 5 2001, 7:42 PM 

"Top 15 all-time in wins"

You're kidding, right? In Division I? If that's even true, is that really something to brag about? I'd love to see the schools ahead of LSU.

"Top 10 all-time bowl appearances"

Oh my word, what a joke. That is about as irrelevant a stat as I've EVER heard.

"and Top 5 in attendance every year"

I'm challenging that one. Let's see, we know that UT and Michigan have more. I'm betting that there are at least 5 other schools, putting LSU at no higher than 8th.


 
 

(Login GCarter)
24.159.185.136

Double Vision

December 5 2001, 8:03 PM 

I think their joint actually seats about 91K, but as drunk as they all are, with their double vision it looks to them like there is 182K.

 
 
top_tenn
(Login top_tenn)
209.255.8.39

................

December 5 2001, 8:23 PM 

Gray , i can tell you 4 teams with more all-time wins--Tennessee--Alabama--Auburn--Georgia--LSU was 5th all time in the SEC --Florida is 6th (4 games behind LSU)

 
 
TRU_VOL
(Login TRU_VOL)
205.188.200.43

LSU's tradition.....

December 5 2001, 9:53 PM 

Yes, LSU was #5 in capacity in 2000, but only 96% capacity.
Here's the top 5:
Michigan: 103.9% capacity
Tennessee: 103.5% capacity
Ohio State: 106.9% capacity
Penn State: 101.7% capacity

Also, all of those teams had 6 home games, LSU had 7.



Georgia's last SEC title: 1982
SEC titles by UT since 1982: 5

Mississippi's last SEC title: 1963
SEC titles by UT since 1963: 8

 
 
44s
(Login 44s)
66.25.124.80

All time wins

December 5 2001, 11:28 PM 

According to this website (I admit to not knowing the validity of it but it is a source) I count 21 programs with more wins than LSU's 985. I'd hardly place LSU amongst the most storied programs of college football. In fact, IMO Death Valley is the single most overrated home field advantage in college football.

http://users.erols.com/mattmark/ncaaf/series/series.htm


    
This message has been edited by 44s from IP address 66.25.124.80 on Dec 5, 2001 11:36 PM


 
 

(Login volstudent)
4.16.78.99

Im not saying that.

December 5 2001, 11:38 PM 

Im not going as far as to say LSU has no tradition but it certainly isn't half the tradition Koxville Tennessee has in it's backyard!

 
 

(Login csides)
162.39.161.74

Hey 44s, Mr. Genius

December 6 2001, 11:36 AM 

You post a link to a site that has the all-time wins of all D-1 football programs and then make a statement that " you can count at least 21 programs that have more wins than LSU". Well then, genius, you cannot count! According to your list, LSU is tied with Southern Cal for the 13th all-time with 588 wins. Do all of your homework before popping off, not just half of it.

 
 
volhunter
(Login volhunter1)
160.36.173.242

44 is our resident

December 6 2001, 11:41 AM 

Big Least representative. He went up to Syracuse on a swimming scholly, and from reading many of his posts, I think he spent to much time with his head under water. If he gets his facts screwed up, he'll just blame it on some conspiracy theory that he's dreamed up.

He's anti-UT because we punked his hero Eddie George in a bowl game, and UT owns his Cuse in all sports. The 33-9 prison treatment that we gave his little tangerines was especially rewarding to me.

There is only one "Big Orange", and Syracuse sure as hell ain't it!

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(Login csides)
162.39.161.74

Hey Gray . . . You "debunked" nothing!

December 6 2001, 11:56 AM 

From your post of last night you sought to "debunk" several assertions made by myself and other Tiger fans. You failed 3 times, big boy. All of the 3 assertions you contested are 100% correct. As far as LSU's all-time wins, we are tied for 14th with Southern Cal. Tennessee is 6th.

Teams ahead of LSU (since you wanted to know): Alabama, Army, Georgia, GA Tech, Michigan, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M (by 1 game, which may change this Saturday in Atlanta).

Teams behind LSU: Auburn, Colorado, Florida, Florida State, UCLA, and so on.

No matter what you may think, 99% of the college football world would think that is pretty good company.



 
 
44s
(Login 44s)
66.25.124.80

csides

December 6 2001, 1:14 PM 

I'll never claim to be the smartest poster on this board and this is one of the main reasons why I'm actually near the bottom. Ol genius 44s sat down and for some reason (probably too many toxins left over in the brain) counted the G column instead of the W one. I stand corrected and apologize for the idiotic post. Is that some "conspiracy theory" there VH? Wait a minute I guess you just "punked my ass" again. Better than going to a freaking wedding every weekend.

Actually I'll still stand by the fact that LSU isn't mentioned among the great programs and Death Valley is way overrated.

 
 
volhunter
(Login volhunter1)
160.36.173.242

I didn't punk your ass

December 6 2001, 1:18 PM 

CSides did it for me. It seems like to you stuck your nose in an argument, and didn't have the intellectual abilities to get your way out of it!

If you need some updated info, or current research material, my posse can hook you up.

But it will cost you!

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44s
(Login 44s)
66.25.124.80

VH, the only thing your "posse"

December 6 2001, 1:29 PM 

will hook me up with is links to some sheep sites, and believe me, YOU couldn't pay me to sit on my ass at work all day and surf the sheepweb like some.

 
 
MikeIV
(Login MikeIV)
209.37.166.119

44 quit while you are ahead

December 6 2001, 1:37 PM 

You know you don't belong on the board when your fellow Vol fans are ripping you a new one.

 
 

(Login TheMOUTHPIECE)
152.163.204.186

LSU is a laughing stock

December 6 2001, 2:05 PM 

As is all of CUSA II (besides Bama). Death Valley is an overrated joke that what made it unacceptable for UT to lose there last year.

With the high school talent in Louisiana there is no excuse for LSU not to field a top 10 team every year, they are the only main university in that state.

Consider this, Florida is now just right behind LSU in virtually every category, LSU- 7 SECs, UF- 6, LSU- 1 NC, UF-1. Florida did all this basically in the 90s (championship wise) while L-excuse has a losing SEC record in Death Valley.

At LSU 8-3 (with 3 high school non conference teams) is something to order rings for. It would be beyond sad if we lose Saturday.

 
 
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