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Prescott under fire again - Road Gritting

January 31 2003 at 11:06 AM
wheel  (no login)
from IP address 80.177.34.162

 
Fat neck is to blame after icey roads grid lock the south.

Even after plenty of warning from the weather centre.

What next can this bunch in power do to show how incompetant they are !

When will they do something special and good for us all ???

IDS.... X NEXT TIME.

 
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Andy
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Winter Wonderland

January 31 2003, 12:10 PM 

It's January, and guess what? Sub-zero temperatures and snow! What a f*****g surprise!
And listen to the London-based media telling us how the 'nation is gridlocked' - funny, we've had no snow at all up here in Manchester. And when we do get an inch or two, we just get on with it. We don't break into a mucksweat and declare a state of emergency. Christ on a bike, what's going on?

 
 
mybrainhurts
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Re: Prescott under fire again - Road Gritting

January 31 2003, 2:14 PM 

Bunch of nancies down there Andy. Can't cope with a head cold.

The Snake was fun this week.

 
 
mybrainhurts
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Re: Prescott under fire again - Road Gritting

January 31 2003, 2:15 PM 

Why the hell do we use salt and grit?

Alcohol/sugar mix is what we need.

 
 
wheel
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London & Manchester based press !

January 31 2003, 3:34 PM 

Here in the second city BIRMINGHAM we have to rely on London and Manchester based press all the time.

So it's not so 'Grim Up North'.

We don't get much Snow here in the West Midlands as believe it or not, all around us do !!!

wheel.

 
 
Andy
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A wee dram

January 31 2003, 5:25 PM 

An alcohol and sugar mix? I tried a few of those last night. Helps me sleep, doctor.

 
 
Desperate Dan
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Re: Prescott under fire again - Road Gritting

January 31 2003, 5:27 PM 

It's all that hot air from Clare Short.

 
 
Andy
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The ugly bellows

January 31 2003, 5:29 PM 

Now she is a proper windbag. Ugly too.

 
 
Desperate Dan
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Re: Prescott under fire again - Road Gritting

January 31 2003, 5:56 PM 

Ugly too........No, ugly two

 
 
bogush
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

January 31 2003, 10:49 PM 

The official reason,

(From "motorists" on a "motoring" forum):

?!

The snow circus comes to town - Armitage Shanks 
 Thu 30 Jan 03 17:12 
What is with this useless country and the useless infrastucture that doesn't work? Police warning people not to use the M40 in Oxfordshire because of snow! Snow in January - what a shock! Why don't they spend some of our extortionate road and council taxes on getting the stuff cleared up and keeping the roads open. No other country in Europe would be ground to a halt by half an inch of snow and 2 degrees of frost!
 The snow circus comes to town - Marcus 
 Thu 30 Jan 03 19:36 

AS,
A pal of mine used to be exasperated when he heard comments like yours. As a fairly high powered manager, his responsibilities included snow clearing operations for several counties in Southern England.

His argument was that keep roads open with the little amount of snow that fell in his area would be simplicity itself. All that was needed was to buy lots more snow clearing equipment. Employ and train lots more people to operate it.

[Why?

His existing bin men, bus drivers, road sweepers, van drivers, drain clearers, lorry drivers, in fact all his existing driver employees, and all his employees who drive to work, or get driven to work, can't get to work, or do their work, if the roads aren't cleared!

So why does he need to employ lots more people and train them to clear snow to let his existing employees get to work when his existing employees are unable to start work untill the roads are cleared?

As for buying lots more equipment: all he needs to do is buy some clip on snow blades and gritter units for his existing trucks!]

Set up a standby roster system and pay all those operators on standby.

[Only when there's a chance of snow.

And how many does he need?

Even if he pays them double time to be on call doing nothing: how does that compare with paying all his staff single time to be at home doing nothing?

Never mind the cost of the whole region's workforce taking the day off!?]

He regularly 'wrote down' in value millions of pounds in value of snow clearing equipment that never left the depots from one year to the next.

[So why does he need to buy more when he already has it?]

He would have loved to set up this operation but the cost to the Rate Payers(council tax) would have been huge.

[I thought he already had it]

Unsurprisingly (and correctly) the Councils decided that it was simply not cost effective.

[Errrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

WTF is he drivelling on about.

They're not going to do it, but they've done it?

They aren't going to have a snow clearing operation, but they've got a high powered snow clearing manager, and millions of pounds in value of snow clearing equipment?!

Oh, but they're worried that the cost to the Rate Payers(council tax) would have been huge and decided that it was simply not cost effective.

Correctly.

?!?!?

What about the cost to the Rate Payers of their unCivil nonServants sitting at home.

Never mind the cost of shutting down the area until summer?!]

[Jeez]

Marcus

[If this is the standard of high powered council managers is it any wonder we pay more and more tax for less and less service]

And if this is the standard of debate on "motoring" forums, is it any wonder that the only place cars are being driven is off the road!?]

Actually, the real reason why councils won't invest in snow clearance:

 The snow circus comes to town - Andrew-T 
 Thu 30 Jan 03 23:39 
AS - like many people you have 20-20 hindsight. Surely it makes sense in a country which suffers months of snow every winter to be prepared for it, but not to admire such places from another country which doesn't. In fact with global warming, it seems that we shall get less serious snow than we used to.

I might complain that the councils sometimes react the other way, and send out the crews when there is not even any frost, never mind snowfall. What do you say then?

[Is it any wonder motorists get such a crap deal when that's the kind of crap they deal out?!?!]

My Emphasis and [Comments]

From:

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=10193

 


 
 
Bewildered Bill
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Re: Prescott under fire again - Road Gritting

January 31 2003, 11:56 PM 

Global warming, eh?

And I thought it was going to be a problem........

Just have to change my mind, then.

 
 
bogush
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

February 2 2003, 12:10 AM 

According to Conservative MP James Gray on Radio 4 this morning:

"1158 killed because of ice and snow on the roads last year".

From:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listen/listen.shtml

 

Is this right?!



bogush

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mybrainhurts
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Re: Prescott under fire again - Road Gritting

February 2 2003, 1:18 AM 

Sounds a bit tricky. It's the magic one-third again.

BUT.....if it is correct, it's excellent ammo for attacking the govt. All this effort to reduce speed to save a third (bull****) of RTA fatalities, but bugger all effort to do anything about the third caused by a few weeks of cold weather.

This could develop...............

 
 
bogush
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

February 2 2003, 4:58 PM 

Also (from the Sun, I think):

BRITAIN’S snow chaos is likely to cost the nation £150million, economists warned yesterday.

What's the tax revenue on that?

And how many life saving operations would it fund?



bogush

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