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Traffic Police Cuts Linked To Road Deaths

January 11 2004 at 4:14 PM
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Juliette Jowit, transport editor
Sunday January 11, 2004
The Observer

Systematic cuts in traffic police are leading to more people dying on the roads amid accusations that the Government's increasing reliance on 'robotic policing' by speed cameras is to blame.

As new figures obtained by The Observer revealed the number of officers policing the roads had fallen from almost 9,000 to 6,500 in a decade, police unions and motoring groups warned last night that road death rates, which had being falling for years, were now threatening to rise.

Although road deaths are less than half the rate they were in the 1970s, the dramatic annual falls of recent years have dwindled. In 2001 they rose for the first time by 41.

In 2002 more than 300,000 people were victims of road accidents, of which more than 3,400 were killed and 36,000 seriously injured.

Critics say the Traffic Management Bill, published last week, could lead to more specialist officers going when civilian motorway managers are introduced. The Bill says 550 traffic police will be 'free to focus on other matters'.

Police and campaigners are mounting a growing campaign against the cuts, including a major debate among rank and file police at their union conference in May.

'The problem is lack of enough officers to enforce the law. This is one reason why the casualty rate is not declining,' said Brigitte Chaudhry, who heads the victims' charity RoadPeace.

The cost to the economy of lost skills and disruption on the roads has been estimated at more than £17 billion.

'If we don't get people doing proper enforcement, casualties will start to rise rather than fall - something about which we are very concerned,' said Robert Gifford, director of the Parliamentary Advisory Committee on Transport Safety.

The number of dedicated traffic officers in 2001-02 was just under 6,500 - down from nearly 8,900 a decade before.

At the same time the use of speed and traffic light cameras has soared: Britain now has 5,000 speed cameras and it is estimated that they led to two million fines being imposed last year.

The Police Federation and motoring and safety groups say cameras detect only speeding, missing more dangerous drivers and people without licences or insurance.

Some forces have virtually abolished separate traffic divisions. RoadPeace claims investigation forms are being posted to accident victims in their hospital beds because there are too few officers to carry out personal interviews.

The Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) and the Home Office said the figures on cuts were misleading because many traffic duties were being done as part of general policing.

There are plans to use 1,200 Highways Agency staff for traffic management on motorways and for traffic wardens to police minor offences such as flouting traffic signs.

However, critics claim visible police patrols are dwindling, breath tests are down and drink-driving is rising. They fear the use of Highways Agency staff will be a reason to move even more police off roads duty.

'Traffic policing was never a high priority of this Government and yet ... the first priority of a police officer is to preserve life and limb and there's no greater preservation of life than dealing with road traffic law and safety,' said Sergeant Mick Barker, who works for the Police Federation.

Critics say traffic police are important to catch criminals who often commit traffic offences - another job cameras and wardens cannot do. Persistent offenders were 'laughing at' the 'robotic policing', claimed Edmund King, executive director of the RAC Foundation.

Richard Brunstrom, Acpo's head of road policing, said: 'Safety on the roads is core police work and a responsibility of patrolling officers, whatever their specific designation.' Cameras had 'enabled officers to be used in a more targeted manner', he said.

The Home Office backed integrated policing. 'Reductions in traffic officers, taken by themselves, can be misleading,' an official said.

A Department for Transport official said it was for the Home Office and police to decide how to use officers freed by tasks going to the Highways Agency. 'The Bill seeks to add to the police, not take anything from them.'

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/transport/Story/0,2763,1120621,00.html

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The Wacky QGD Racing Drivers!
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Re: Traffic Police Cuts Linked To Road Deaths

January 11 2004, 5:10 PM 

We've been saying this for ages! Speed Cams do not save lives, nor does speed alone cause accidents!

Traffic cops are being made redundant as more and more blind faith is placed in PC Gatso and his "Co-officers". The pro-scam brigade, as we are all too well aware, spout dubious statistics about how helpful the technology is in reducing accidents. All other figures reveal the opposite! Any borderline A level Maths candidate can prove the flaws and prove the "regression to the mean" theory by comparing and contrasting these sets of figures!

In the meantime, a quick look at the Lancs Safety partnership's own website shows that their DRINK DRIVE deaths are UP! No doubt due to excess emphasis on speed cam enforcement and less general routine patrols.

We have seen a lot of media campaigning against the tax & insurance dodgers in the wake of deaths caused by these drivers (who turned out to be asylum seekers with no licences at all). Perhaps a return to normal, sensible policing with sensible traffic law enforcement would see greater safety on the roads after all!

 
 
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Re: Traffic Police Cuts Linked To Road Deaths

January 11 2004, 6:07 PM 

This report quotes what we have been stating for years!

It is all too obvious that the lack of police officers regularly patrolling our streets both on foot and in vehicles has had a massive impact on the quality of life in all major cities + towns/villages of this country.

Violent street crimes and burglary escalates daily, coupled with massive numbers of vehicles (reportedly 1,000,000 +) involved in 'serious' offences relating to Dangerous, Untaxed, Blah Blah, we all know the rest of this bit.
We are also aware of the fact that the 'Robot Policemen' cannot detect these vehicles or the criminals using them but, I and am sure many many others out there knew this 'BEFORE' Cameras began flooding the land, and only now are the mighty powers that be finally beginning to 'see the light', saddly they refuse to admit to their mistakes but hope to pacify the public by inventing figures falsely claiming that the cameras 'save lives'.
What consolation that pathetic remark is supposed to be is beyond acceptance to the victims of both car and personal related crimes.

This country needs a few people in positions of authority to follow the lead of the U/S mayor 'Giulliano' and "Put a cop on every corner" to get the country back to something like normal,

Giving Traffic wardens extra powers will only lead to more hostility from the motorists as these powers WILL be abused by those of them who will act as though they are the Gestapo!

Furthermore the introduction of CPSOs is supposed to reassure the public that these people (who have no power of arrest, yet!) can make a difference to the way the local 'yobs' behave!
If that was funny I might laugh, but in reality the sight of a lone 5ft female CPSO in ANY troubled area of a city simply provokes the unruly mobs to react aggressively to her.

Ooops, straying off topic there, sorry, just another thought!


 
 
The Wacky QGD Racing Drivers!
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Re: Traffic Police Cuts Linked To Road Deaths

January 11 2004, 6:10 PM 

In great contrast to the "Observer" Article, which supports public opinion that road safety is being undermined by too many scams and not enough cops, we also read the following article today!

(We did consider a new thread, but thought this would contrast nicely with the "Observer's" article)

"Mail on Sunday" (11 January 2004)

EU PLANS BLITZ ON DRIVERS

The EU is planning a massive network of speed cameras across the Continent. (As if there are not enough everywhere already!)

Britain already has 5000, but could be ordered to install more if it fails to meet safety targets set by the EU transport commissioner Loyola de Palacio (their equivalent of Aunty Mary W and Nanny T2000!)

YIKES!

She obviously has not been reading her RED BOXES! These are chock full of goodies such as proper statistics and figures relating to the real causes of accidents both here and on the Continent.

She wants to halve Europe's road death toll of ca. 40,000 by 2010 and has called for an even greater network of sophisticated electronic devices, with speedsters and drunk drivers to face prosecution in whichever state they are copped in!

(At present a speed cop for Brits abroad is draconian fine - but no points. If they are done for dangerous driving - it could then be referred to the UK CPS!)

Britain, as we all know, has one of the toughest regimes in Europe and it is feared that efforts to reduce death rates, inflated by bad driving on the Continent (Belgians!!!!!) will lead to unfair targets in the UK!

Labour Transport Committee Chairperson, Gwyneth Dunwoody is surprisingly quoted as describing the EU plans as "all-embracing rubbish!"

NOT SURPRISINGLY

Dick Ed Numpty Brains (aka Der Fuhrer of Brunstromia!)
said:..............

"WE ARE GOING TO BE THE LEADERS IN THIS"

Meaning?

Has he hopes of creating yet another Gravy Train Office?

Not content with being the Chief CONartist here, he appears to have the same delusions of grandeur as the the Great Dictator, and is dreaming of expanding and making Brunstromia not only the Capital of UK Motoring Hell, but the Capital of EU Motoring Hell!

Does this mean a widescale EU drumming down of Cops patrolling our roads in the falsely held belief that a camera, and only a camera, can catch a dangerous driver?

Speed can kill, but it is usually accompanied by drunk, doped driving, undue care and attention, aggression, inattentiveness and non-existent hazard awareness skills.

Hence the need for on-going courses. Nothing to gripe about there - you go on professional courses as part and parcel of your jobs! So what is the difference?

Cheers

The Wacky Racing "Gangsters"!

 
 
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Re: Traffic Police Cuts Linked To Road Deaths

January 11 2004, 6:55 PM 

""WE ARE GOING TO BE THE LEADERS IN THIS"

Jesus, what an idiot. Does he not know that the UK is already the leader? We have the safest roads and the safest drivers in Europe! And if it wasn't for the cameras, which have stopped the 30-year downward tend, we would be even further ahead.
I honestly believe hie is un-hinged. And his mincing friend Pad-dick.

 
 
Luke S & R2
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Re: Traffic Police Cuts Linked To Road Deaths

January 12 2004, 11:32 AM 

"A lone 5' WPC in an inner city?" Hardly surprising that the yobs would have a field day!

But then again, the police have lost a lot of the public's respect! They do not seem to have the same air of authority as they once did! Is it because we are more victims of crime? The cops do not come rushing in response to a 999 call (or if they do - there is a lot of cash wasted in sorting out the Scam Summons's). Tony Martin's predicament arose because they did "not have the resources to send cops to his home" following his repeated burglaries. As we all know - he took desparate measures. But then we read in the paper that they found the resources to send two officers to breathalyse him leaving the pub after a tip off! (Fortunately for him - he was under the legal limit!)

We perceive them sitting in a huddle in from of CCTV footage and scam photos, and not out there catching real villains!

Our Grandad (aged 73, an ex-cop! Over 6' and still proud of his "sturdy physique") goes "off on one" over this.

Like Del Boy's Uncle Albert:

"During the 50's and 60's ......in the GOOD OLD DAYS" he continues by saying that you had to be big, beefy and brainy to be a cop in those days!

He has a point - we tower over the cops in our neighbourhood! (We're over 6' too!).

But, as kids, we do remember seeing more cops on the beat! Now, our only sighting of them seems to be on Match Days at Anfield, etc!

They are certainly not out and about policing! You have to wait hours before they turn up to your burglary.

Bet they'd turn up in quick sticks if you "forgot to sign the speeding ticket", though!

As for seeing them on the roads....the only time you see them is when they are huddled inside talivans armed with a mobile laser! Even then, they need 20 of them! Surely, they would be better off spending their time (which we are paying for) patrolling the roads on the look-out for the really dangerous "twazak"

One of the Wacky Racers made a posting elsewhere commenting upon the fact that London now uses an un-marked police car to catch drivers who "brake and slow down" for the Gatso, then accelerate! To echo her point - the T5 would have been better employed catching the real speedsters and dangerous drivers elsewhere. This practice does rather add credence to all the anti-scam claims that the whole point of the safety camera policy is to make as much money as is humanly possible out of us drivers!

This story is confirmed by the Lancs thread as well! If 75% of all accidents are caused by mobile phones and drink driving in the County, then how the hell does a scam catch them!

Cheers

Luke S

 
 
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Re: Traffic Police Cuts Linked To Road Deaths

January 13 2004, 8:32 PM 

Per RAC's Mr King - Daily Mail 13/01/04

"Offenders are laughing at the robo-cops!"

"The reduction in TOs mean that the untaxed and uninsured may never be caught!"

Per Dick Ed No-Brains:

"Eoad safety is core police work and a responsiblity of all police officers!"

He claimed:


"Cameras had enabled officers to be used in a more targeted manner!"

Yeah Right!

TALIVANS!

 
 
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