Well, it looks like I'm banned by the Beeb again: for either complaining about posts that breach the BBC House Rules, or defending myself against posts which breach House Rules but they refuse to remove, or complaining about them removing posts where I am defending myself.................

Or maybe some combination of the above.

So I can't post this, though for once the post I am replying to has also been removed.

The thread is:

Trams a success.

George alleged:

re: Trams a success. George Painter - 310th post - 20 Apr 2004 15:29

If you really want to see some sad "debate" then search on "It's your duty Bogush" - that's if Bogush will let you in - he bans people he doesn't like (most of the population).

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I replied:

re: Trams a success. bogush j mann - 1473rd post - 20 Apr 2004 20:50

As you are very well aware, George, I have never banned anyone from my board.

However, as you are also aware, due to spam attacks of hundreds of thousands of words of cut and paste from a certain other forum via them, I've had to block access through certain servers.

And as you are also well aware, anyone who had been using those servers who wants to post through another ISP is free to do so.

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George responded:

re: Trams a success. George Painter - 315th post - 20 Apr 2004 21:45

So I'm not banned just have my access blocked, as does everyone with access to a Notts County Council machine?

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I replied:

re: Trams a success. bogush j mann - 1474th post - 20 Apr 2004 22:01

You don't mean to say that my taxes are being used to launch spam attacks against me?

And I thought you didn't work for the council George!?!

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George retorted:

re: Trams a success. George Painter - 313th post - 21 Apr 2004 10:24

"And I thought you didn't work for the council George!?!"

Jumping to conclusions again Bogush - or are you once again twisting peoples postings?

I actually said "as does everyone with access to a Notts County Council machine?" Where does that say that I work for them or indeed work at all?

And:

re: Trams a success. George Painter - 314th post - 21 Apr 2004 10:34

"You don't mean to say that my taxes are being used to launch spam attacks against me?"

No I don't Bogush and if you're making an accusation then please do so directly. And expect the consequences.

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Now, I hope Ol' Jolly is paying attention:

You will note, that whilst I might have cut and pasted a lot of quotes, I have edited out all the duplication and repetition made superfluous by my juxtapostion of the quotes. So, whilst this post is quite long, it is a fraction of the length of your attempts to duplicate my style in a vain attempt to mock it.

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George, pay attention, as I "rewrite" the above (or, as you would like to claim: "twist it" ) :

I quite clearly state that I blocked posts from servers from which spam attacks emanated.

You quite clearly responded that Notts County Council "machines" were blocked.

I quite clearly responded "You don't mean to say that my taxes are being used to launch spam attacks against me?"

Which, if they were Council "machines", my taxes were being used to launch spam attacks against me.

And I also said:

And I thought you didn't work for the council George!?!

Which I did originally, but you'd convinced me you don't.

You then started posting:

"Jumping to conclusions again Bogush - or are you once again twisting peoples postings?"

"I actually said "as does everyone with access to a Notts County Council machine?"

"Where does that say that I work for them or indeed work at all?"

And:

"No I don't Bogush and if you're making an accusation then please do so directly. And expect the consequences."

 

Is there anything you would like to add to that?

 

There's the following 18 from George and his playmates.

And they even managed to introduce trains into one of the ones I didn't count because it's nominally about football.

The airport thread I've left in was immediately hijacked by George to get a NET Tram plug in.

 

George Painter cleaned up board It's good to see the mods hve cleaned up this board by deleting some of the messages which were not taking the debate forward. Let's hope we soon see some ... more > 2 Eddie Smith New airport I'm surprised there has been no mention here of the new airport that has been given the go-ahead at Finningly near Doncaster. It is to be called "Robin Hood Doncaster ... more > 7 George Painter One rule for us........ I've just had a message rejected. The reason why: This is because it is inappropriately long. Overlong messages tend to discourage debate and discussion on the boards, so please cut ... more > 7 Jolly Green Giant Bogush through the looking glass According to BJM I am a Labour spin doctor. Hilarious. Mann lives in a fantasy land.... more > 2 Dave Bennell Trams a success. In case you had not noticed, the trams have been performing up to, and possibly exceeding, expectations. An estimated 750,000 passingers have been carried in the first month of operation.... more > 12 George Painter Removed messages I've had a couple of messages removed by the moderators as they are not conducive to friendly atmosphere. I totally fail to understand if that's the case how any of ... more > 27 George Painter A petition Sorry to repeat myself and start a new thread but this very serious issue has been totally swamped by Bogush: ">> "In earlier posts you state quite clearly that you ... more > 8 Steve Barber Barber Please Please Please Moderators Please get a grip on this board. It's just become a complete farce. Perhaps each poster should be limited to 500 words per day. On the other hand banning one ... more > 13 Dave Bennell ***NEWS FLASH*** "HOLE IN OZONE LAYER TO BE FILLED WITHIN WEEKS" The SNOTTS EVENING TRUMPET can exclusivly reveal that, thanks to the inspirational ideas of a local man, the hole in the ... more > 2 George Painter I apologise I only wanted a one word answer to my question: "YOU CLAIMED SOME TIME AGO THAT MODERN CARS WITH THEIR CATALYTIC CONVERTORS PURIFY THE AIR. DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THIS ... more > 63 Jolly Green Giant Board purpose? Would one of the moderators care to explain what the purpose of the forum is? Here's my thoughts: 1) The forum has been flooded with long winded political postings, making... more > 6 George Painter Exhaust fumes to sum up Bogush refuses to answer my question: "YOU CLAIMED SOME TIME AGO THAT MODERN CARS WITH THEIR CATALYTIC CONVERTORS PURIFY THE AIR. DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE" When ... more > 11 George Painter A bit more evidence By typing in "suicides exhaust pipe" These come from Australia who made catalytic convertors compulsory in 1986 before we did and so have a larger experience and population for these... more > 1 George Painter Once again "YOU CLAIMED SOME TIME AGO THAT MODERN CARS WITH THEIR CATALYTIC CONVERTORS PURIFY THE AIR. DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE?"... more > 4 George Painter Logical thinking Global warming was first perceived in the latter part of the 19th Century...... The safety bicycle was invented by the late Victorians........ Therefore cyclists are the cause of global warming.... more > 24 George Painter I'm still waiting for an answer Bogush "YOU CLAIMED SOME TIME AGO THAT MODERN CARS WITH THEIR CATALYTIC CONVERTORS PURIFY THE AIR. DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE?" And your answer without all the ... more > 1 Bernard Hawtrey Nottinghams Board? Is this message board for all of Nottinghamshire? Or is it just being used by Bogush and George Painter as an ego trip?... more > 0 George Painter Suicides in cars As we all know because Bogush told us so, car engines purify the air. Although I believe this I read a frightening statistic which showed how suicides in cars due ... more > 8

bogush j mann Welcome Back Jack And Good Morning Jolly Green Giant. I trust you slept soundly.... more > 1   bogush j mann Why is any of this too complicated for our contributors: As I quoted from as a BBC article on recent Research by the University of Birmingham's Medical School, on suicides: >> "people will start to resort to ... more > 2 bogush j mann re: Defense Mechanisms George sez: >> "When someone is defeated they often produce reams of rant and waffle as a defense." Yes, I've noticed this tendency in him too. Just look at his ... more > 2

 

Balance?

 

 

George Painter Suicides in cars As we all know because Bogush told us so, car engines purify the air. Although I believe this I read a frightening statistic which showed how suicides in cars due ... more > 8 George Painter Post Letter Unfortunately this was published on the wrong day in April (5 days late): 12:00 - 06 April 2004 Mr Mann's claims that car exhaust fumes produce no ill health (Letters... more > 6 George Painter Staying on topic Sometimes this board astounds me. The last n postings under the heading Hazzard Flashers have had nothing whatsoever to do with that topic. But yet the moderators maintain that the ... more > 2 Bernard Hawtrey *BBC* *Comedy* And so the finally voting is in for Britains best ever comedy. And what comedy is better than Dads Army, Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Yes Minister, The Office, Hancocks half hour, ... more > 1 George Painter Cheap Booze & fags OK I'll start a discussion about as far away from trams and road safety as possible and let's see who if anyone manages to twist it around...... I read that......... more > 4 George Painter Digital speed cameras I understand that by popular demand the digital speed cameras are to be extended along the Ring Road by the City Hospital. Lucky residents - I wish they'd put them ... more > 5 Foster John Hazard (Hazard flashers) Hazard (Hazard flashers) Not sure if any one else has noticed but there seems to be a train of thought that if you turn your hazard flashers on then you ... more > 35 Steve Barber Barber Complain about this Post All - don't be afraid to use the "complain about this post button". Things are getting out of hand.... more > 0 Bernard Hawtrey If there was a new Yes Minister... If this classic TV show ever came back we seem to have a perfect fellow to play Sir Humphrey Appleby. Yes you've guessed it none other than Bogush j mann... more > 17 George Painter Bullying Unfortunately Mr Bogush doesn't just keep popping back to see how things are. What he does is comes back to ridicule and misquote every time the debate starts to move ... more > 1 George Painter An impressive response Steve - I'm impressed with the way you got an answer to my question regarding tramway overhead isolation just 3 hours on a Saturday after admitting you didn't know. It's ... more > 11     robert l re: What a rant! it is just like being in a school playground George. when every posting is twisted round to be used against the author. the sticking out of tongues is all thats ... more > 2   Nat Moving to Nottingham We're moving there soon. What are the best/worst things about living in Nottingham?... more > 4   corinne graehame TRAMS Aren't the trams cool? NET allows me to take my electric scooter on them, so one in the eye for Central Trains who are too lazy and boorish to get ... more > 23

So that's 14 from the George corner.

Oh, if anyone's wondering, the Moving to Nottingham thread was immediately hi-jacked into a tram advert.

And the *BBC* *Comedy* thread was immediately hi-jacked into a dig at me (plus George, admittedly).

But I left out was a train thread.

And there were a whopping two threads started by me.

bogush j mann

re: Bogush displays text book signs I wonder if the person refering us to that site has actually read it? Or is he engaged in his usual pasttime of commenting on something he hasn't read? >> ... more >

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bogush j mann

Are You Really The Editor's Aunt Freda? Pop back for a week and you get two letters published! I've written 15 since the one they last published, half a dozen attempting to reply to a response ... more >

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Apologies to the Beeb.

In the interests of balance, they've just allowed a new thread to be started:

john seagull NEW BOARD Why don't the moderators set a whole new board just for Mr Bogush. So he can rant and rave to his hearts content. Wobetide anyone who dares enter his board.... more > 0

They actually removed that one.

Now all they have to do is explain why all the other ones are acceptable!

 

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He has started re-posting them with the message from the moderators explaining that they ... more > 3 George Painter House of Lords Quotes Baroness Scott of Needham Market: "......In America, for example, those states where the limit was increased substantially in 1996 have seen a 35 per cent rise in death rates, far ... more > 1 George Painter ABD The Association of Burglars and Deceitors (ABD) have spoken out about the spread of burglar alarms across the country and are insisting that these are painted yellow to alert their ... more > 4 George Painter Association of British Drivers (ABD Membership 2300 which is 0.007% of British Drivers (source ABD) Many of the so called affiliated organisations of the ABD knew nothing about it. It denies climate change and Richard ... more > 3 bogush j mann Do George Or The Mods Understand The Libel Laws? 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It amazes me that ... more > 17 Jolly Green Giant Stay behind after class George, Robert, Bennell: stand in the corner and write out 1000 times: I will in future remember not to take the bait dangled by Bogush J Mann and take part ... more > 2 George Painter A vote So we all know which way to take the "debate" forward could everyone please copy in TWO of the following into a response: I would like to further debate whether ... more > 2 bogush j mann A Challenge For Jolly Old Jack Care to "justify" why the moderators pulled my posts exposing BewlayBrothers posts to be cut and pastes of Guardian articles because they contained some copyright material, and yet they have ... more > 1 bogush j mann Is BewlayBrother A Guardianista? #2 Dear Sirs You have removed my post despite admitting that "Short quotes to illustrate a point are permissible" when they were around 20% of the article length, which I understand, ... more > 4 George Painter Bogush now reads the Guardian Welcome to the club Bogush! I'm sure you'll find political enlightenment as have the rest of us caring intelligent beings.... more > 8 Bernard Hawtrey Anagram time Can anyone unscramble these two words to make one other word? ROAST MULES... more > 3 bogush j mann Can You Count On The Moderators Of The BBC Nottingham Messageboard Jolly Green Giant posted a 439 (four hundred and thirty nine) word post: re: New airport Jolly Green Giant - 99th post - 26 Apr ... more > 5 Dave Bennell re: One rule for them........Or me? My apologies. "When I posted the same (in the Silly Story Theme) it was in context and had been used on the BBC 2 website.".........should read "When A Ferocious ****su ... more > 3 George Painter National Audit Office report Bogush - have you actually read the National Audit Office rport?... more > 12 Dave Bennell Nottingham ...."Named and Shamed?" 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Just in case the evidence gets mislaid in the "essential maintenance".

 

Backup Of Complaint To BBC Re Moderator Bias

Just Because You're Paranoid Doesn't Mean Aunty Beeb Isn't Out To Get You!

Just Because You're Paranoid Doesn't Mean Aunty Beeb Isn't Out To Get You!

I note that the Forum Rules thread has been removed.

Perhaps the moderators thought it was being rude to me?

Ooops, no:

Still lots of even nastier threads there!

Surely it hasn't been removed because it confirmed that they were deleting lots of my posts?!

 

And no, the middle one isn't right wing.

Just old labour:

 

Agnes McKenzie Gun incidents Is it safe to return? Although crime's going down the number of shootings and threats made with guns is getting very frightening. There was a Post Office held up this... more > 3 George Painter A new Prime Minister? These allegations of abuse which at least seem to be true as far as the Americans are concerned just show what a mess Tony Blair has got us into with ... more > 8 Jolly Green Giant Prisoner abuse So we now hear that American and British troops have committed serious assaults on Iraqi prisoners while being held in a 'coalition' jail. The only reason this has hit the ... more > 4

 

And how come:

>> "Is it safe to return?"

 

Isn't considered to be unfriendly and perpetuating an old quarrel.

 

When it is an unfriendly perpetuation of an old quarrel!