Dave Bennell says:

re: Copyright Dave Bennell - 560th post - 7 Jun 2004 20:27
It matters, Jack, because a certain individual, who runs his own so called "forum" is cutting and pasting comments from this board on to his own.

Futher to that, he then makes disparaging and untrue comments about posts and posters on this board.

I have been taking legal advice on some aspects of his "work" and it all revolves around copyright of the material published on this board............

My emphasis.

Perhaps he should have been taking some legal advice about:

"The cut&paste spam from the beeb site includes the phrase "You are logged in as Dave Bennell" "

Buried in the middle of this page somewhere:

Jack Russell's/Leif's/Orville's/P.Rick's/etc Spam Thread

 

And about libel, while he's at it.

 

 

Recent Events In Iraq BewlayBrother - 5th post - 29 Apr 2004 09:07
I’m new to the board – after a quick review the recent postings seem somewhat one dimensional to say the least.

Let’s try something new and hopefully stimulate a bit of debate – this is deliberately provocative…..

It is now clear to everyone - apart from Rumsfeld and his cronies - that, far from being a rump of Saddamist malcontents, the resistance enjoys broad based support among the Sunnis and increasingly the Shias too. The old truths are alive and well. People do not want to be ruled by an alien power from thousands of miles away whose interests are self-serving. The resistance in Iraq bears all the hallmarks of a people's war for self-determination.

Iraq is far messier than Vietnam. The latter enjoyed a very long history and ethnic (if not religious) cohesion. It was also lucky to have an inspired leadership, whose moral virtue was far greater than their would-be American conquerors. Iraq is a much more recent and cynical colonial creation, has been ruled by a brutal dictator and is deeply divided along ethnic and religious lines. While Vietnam survived and prospered, even fighting off an opportunistic Chinese invasion in 1979, Iraq could, in contrast, descend into a bloody civil war and split asunder. For the time being, though, what increasingly unites Iraqis, with the exception of the Kurds, is their opposition to the American invasion - and rightly so.

Will the west never learn?

Discuss.

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Actually, they only need to remind the Beeb about it:

re: Recent Events In Iraq - Discuss bogush j mann - 1582nd post - 3 May 2004 12:09
Dear Sirs

You have removed my post despite admitting that "Short quotes to illustrate a point are permissible" when they were around 20% of the article length, which I understand, is an acceptable percentage to quote, and despite the fact that you you have allowed the original "contributor" to post the entire article, which, despite the fact that I have identified it for you, and despite the fact that you have removed my post, you have STILL allowed to remain on the board.

Yours, etc

Mr B J Mann

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Your original message:

From: bogush j mann xxx Newsgroups: xxx Subject: re: Recent Events In Iraq Date: 3 May 2004 10:42:49 Message-ID: xxx

BewleyBrother said :

Recent Events In Iraq BewlayBrother - 5th post - 29 Apr 2004 09:07

I'm new to the board - after a quick review the recent postings seem somewhat one dimensional to say the least.

Let's try something new and hopefully stimulate a bit of debate - this is deliberately provocative...

It is now clear to everyone - apart from Rumsfeld and his cronies ...censored...

Iraq is far messier than Vietnam. ...censored...

Will the west never learn?

Discuss.

Martin Jaques said :

The return of people's war

Iraq shows the west and its new liberal imperialists have forgotten the lessons of history

Martin Jacques

Monday April 19, 2004

The Guardian

It is now clear to everyone - apart from Rumsfeld and his cronies ...censored...

Iraq is far messier than Vietnam. ...censored...

Will the west never learn?

· Martin Jacques is a visiting fellow

We're honoured then!

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That's from:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1194671,00.html

And, as far as I can tell, all his other posts on that thread are unattributed plagiarisations of articles by others.

 

So, who is BewlayBrother?

 

That was from:

Recent Events In Iraq

 

This is from:

Re: Nottingham ...."Named and Shamed?" BewlayBrother - 11th post - 30 Apr 2004 15:05
Everybody has a view about the scale and pattern of drink-related disorder and violence even though the vast majority have no direct experience of the phenomenon. It is routine for people to complain about the ‘hordes of lager louts’ who turn city centres into ‘no-go areas’. Many express their fear of violent attacks, both inside and outside pubs. Others remark on the ‘magical’ properties of premium lagers which can turn normal, quiet young men into savage demons. These simplistic, and usually ill-informed, speculations have been given both credence and currency in recent years by the news media - acting both as reporters of disorderly incidents and analysts of the causes and patterns of this apparently novel focus of public concern.

What we can lose sight of in this sometimes hysterical reaction to perceived events is the simple fact that violence, in its broad sense, constitutes only about 6% of all recorded crime in England and Wales. The vast majority of crimes are acquisitive - they are directed at our property rather than our person. Within the ‘violence’ category, those acts which we might take to be ‘drink related’ form such a small proportion of all crime that we do not even bother to collate them on a national basis. We have figures for drunkenness and for drink-driving, but we have no national statistics which measure directly the phenomenon which has generated such deep concerns and debates and which has occupied so many column inches of our popular newspapers.

There is nothing new in this distinct lack of fact in the midst of expressed outrage. There are a number of precedents, involving substantially the same ‘players’ as those who have been tagged with the label of ‘lager louts’. When ‘football hooliganism’ was at its perceived peak in the late 1970s, nobody could tell us just how many acts of violence or public disorder were actually committed by these convenient ‘Folk Devils’. The ‘Moral Panic’ reaction to their activities was much more important than simple, factual accounts of what fans actually did when they went to football games. Amid the hysterical clamouring for ever-increasing Draconian measures to curb the assumed activities of fans, there was one straightforward, empirical study which indicated that football hooliganism did not actually exist as a phenomenon in its own right.

This was a study, conducted not by radical sociologists but by the Strathclyde Police, of all towns and neighbourhoods which hosted football grounds in Scotland. They examined reports of crimes, arrest figures etc. for Saturday afternoons and Wednesday evenings when games were played and when they were not. They found no significant difference overall. In some cases, crime actually fell when football games were played. They concluded that there was about as much crime, violence and disorder associated with football as there was in society in general. Football fans did what they, and others, would normally do on Saturday afternoons and, among that repertoire of activity, would inevitably be some crime and violence.

re: Nottingham ...."Named and Shamed?" BewlayBrother - 12th post - 30 Apr 2004 15:07
The report of the.....................

re: Nottingham ...."Named and Shamed?" BewlayBrother - 13th post - 30 Apr 2004 15:08
All of this might be taken as a prelude...................

................given the same people in any other social context?

 

All one unattributed plagiarised article.

Still there.

Despite:

re: Nottingham ...."Named and Shamed?" bogush j mann - 1576th post - 3 May 2004 12:22
Dear Sirs

You have removed my post despite admitting that "Short quotes to illustrate a point are permissible" when they were around 20% of the article length, which I understand, is an acceptable percentage to quote, and despite the fact that you you have allowed the original "contributor" to post the entire article, which, despite the fact that I have identified it for you, and despite the fact that you have removed my post, you have STILL allowed to remain on the board.

Yours, etc

Mr B J Mann

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Dear Contributor,

Thank you for posting a message to a BBCi message board.

We very much appreciate your interest, but are sorry to tell you that your message has been removed.

Please don't post large chunks of text copied from other sources - this may be an infringement of copyright, and we are not resourced to check the validity of what is and is not copyright-free. Short quotes to illustrate a point are permissible. Please rephrase your message in light of this, then resubmit it.

Again, thank you for your time and interest.

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TO ALL BBCi MESSAGEBOARD USERS: Unfortunately, some people repeatedly post inappropriate material. After receipt of this notice, anyone who posts messages which break our House Rules xxx may have action taken against their account (or accounts). Such action may take the form of a user's future messages being delayed for checking before they appear on the boards, or of the account(s) being suspended or banned without further notice.

Your original message:

From: bogush j mann xxx Newsgroups: xxx Subject: re: Nottingham ...."Named and Shamed?" Date: 3 May 2004 10:57:20 Message-ID: xxx

BewdleyBrother said :

re: Nottingham ...."Named and Shamed?" BewlayBrother - 11th post - 30 Apr 2004 15:05

Everybody has a view about the scale and pattern of drink-related disorder ...censored...

What we can lose sight of in this sometimes hysterical ...censored

A quick Google finds:

Drinking and Public Disorder

Overview and analysis

The scale of the 'problem'

Everybody has a view about the scale and pattern of drink-related disorder ...censored...

What we can lose sight of in this sometimes hysterical ...censored

It appears that we have a new contributor, not only of wide ranging interests, but one that has been widely published.

We are honoured indeed.

Now, when, exactly, are the Moderators going to do something about multiple log-ins by the Guardianista contributor(s)?

PS Mods, in case you really haven't cottoned on (strange how you spotted my post was a quote, but you don't seem to have figured out his was, despite me telling you!), the rest of his posts are the rest of the article(s).

Oops, apologies to the mods.

On reviewing my posts I see that I never actually s-p-e-l-l-e-d i-t o-u-t for you!  

 

That one's from:

http://www.sirc.org/publik/ddbook3.html

 

Re: Nottingham City Police Division. BewlayBrother - 8th post - 30 Apr 2004 13:13
The trouble with politics is that certain ideas, even certain words, fast become the property of one side over another. It gets so bad that the key word has only to be uttered for the competing partisans to scuttle into their red or blue corners, ready for predictable battle.

In the Thatcher era "freedom," "the individual" and "choice" all became banners of the right. Their mere mention would instantly set my teeth on edge. Of course, no liberal (like myself) was ever actually against freedom, the individual or choice - but their use in political combat made that hard to remember. They sounded like the weapons of the enemy.

Crime is rather like that. Conservatives pounded away on the issue for so long that because the Tories were so passionately against crime, liberals sounded like they were somehow for it. In the 1990s the Labour party got out of this fix thanks to a line from Tony Blair which must rate as one of the greatest slogans in contemporary politics: tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime.

So whilst Mr Manns post is clearly bonkers, a stew of nostalgic yearnings for a lost golden age, tirades against the permissive society and general fist-shaking rage against modernity itself it would be foolish to dismiss it completely out of hand.

As a starting point it is a irrefutable fact that reported crime has got much worse over the past century. In 1921, there were just 103,000 recorded crimes in England and Wales. By 2002 that figure had reached 5.5m - including more than 2.25m thefts, 878,000 burglaries and 813,000 acts of violence. Even allowing for the increase in population, that is a huge leap in crime and the misery it causes.

What explains it? It can't be blamed on poverty, as the bleeding hearts (like me) sometimes insist: we are much richer now than we were then. Nor should we listen to police whingeing about short staffing: there are around 130,000 police officers now, a far greater increase than mere population growth would demand. And they have legal powers and equipment - from computers to helicopters, radios and guns - to make their 1920s predecessors marvel.

re: Nottingham City Police Division. BewlayBrother - 9th post - 30 Apr 2004 13:18
So if poverty and resources aren't the explanation, what is? Plenty of liberals would rather duck the question, firing off data that point the other way. I could say that crime is going down, recently experiencing the biggest fall in a century; and it's been heading that way for nine years. Burglary and car crime have fallen by a third. That's welcome news but it hardly answers the point: even if we've gone from Everest to Ben Nevis levels, we're still way higher than we used to be.

Another explanation is that we now record wickedness now that hardly registered as crime in the 1920s: rape, child abuse, domestic violence. That's true, but it's not as if statistics include all of today's wrongdoing either. Even now, there is still much brutality that stays in the dark. But let's say the pre-war figures are a gross underestimate, and today's numbers are overly lurid. That still leaves a huge gap. Whichever way you cut it or slice it, crime is more prevalent now than it was.

Of course the rabid right have there own explantations, most of which make me want to giggle. Generally the villain of his story is Roy Jenkins, the 1960s home secretary who fathered the battery of liberal social reforms which still appal gut conservatives. The usual suspects are trotted out ranging from the rise of the woman police officer to the vegetarian option in prison meals.

But is the real problem the Police itself ?

Over the past four decades, the police has morphed from a devolved force with local roots into a remote, semi-national, armed wing of the state. The old-style bobby on the beat has been replaced by a Robocop figure, jangling with radio, pepper spray and weapon, or a paper-shuffler holed up in some faraway police station. No longer a constant, physical presence on the streets, their function has shifted from prevention to (inevitably less effective) reaction after the event.

When did this happen? Maybe it was the shift from foot to car patrol, from Dixon of Dock Green to Z Cars. Maybe a turning point was the use of the police as a paramilitary force, imposing the will of government during the 1984 miners' strike. Either way, the role has changed. Today's police are not as their 19th century founders envisaged: a group of citizens with few greater powers than their neighbours, paid to guard their own communities. The force is no longer with us. Instead they are now often armed to the teeth with a muscle that was once unimaginable, whether it's hacking into our emails or arresting us for waving placards.

 

Yet again, if I recall correctly, an entire, unattributed plagiarised article.

And, yet again:

re: Nottingham City Police Division. bogush j mann - 1579th post - 3 May 2004 12:43
If anyone reading this thread hasn't spotted it on the other ones he's been spamming:

BewlayBrother's posts are nothing more than cut and pastes of, amongst other things, entire Guardian articles (with, as this one, a not so "liberal" sprinkling of his own left wing rants).

Oh, and mods, please don't remove this post because I dared to borrow your other contributors' (perfectly acceptable when they use it) favourite insult.

I note that you have still left BewlayBrothers post(s) on the board despite the fact that they:

a) Insult me.

b) Are cut and paste's of entire copyright articles often without even any commentary:

The force is not with us

Crime has risen dramatically in the past half-century - and much of the blame lies with the police themselves

Jonathan Freedland
Wednesday April 23, 2003
The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,2763,941582,00.html

 

Which one of you? George Painter - 405th post - 27 May 2004 14:29
OK who is Mr Georgeda?

From the Nottingham Evening Post:

Bogus beliefs

I see Mr Mann is once again expounding his strange theories. This time his claim is that greater gun ownership causes fewer gunshot deaths and cites the USA as an example (May 21).

This man is also on record as believing that driving faster is safer and that catalytic converters purify the air!

I'm sorry Mr Mann but your beliefs are bogus. Is it true that you are also public relations officer for the Flat Earth Society?

BERNARD GEORGEDA Valley Road Nottingham   

 

But, then again, perhaps that doesn't infringe copyright for some reason?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Now, why might that be?

 

Re: Gun incidents Agnes McKenzie - 56th post - 20 May 2004 17:14
From the Mothers against Guns web-site:

Gun culture is on the increase in Britain, with replica guns becoming more prevalent than ever. Police found 72% of the firearms seized by the Metropolitan Police under last year's Operation Trident were imitations, air weapons, blank firers or starter pistols that had been converted, modified or upgraded to fire bullets.

My emphasis.

Tut-tut Aggie!

Not cutting and pasting, surely!

 

 

It Would Appear That Georgeda Is Working With Hackers And/Or Spooks: