Professor Richard Knowles of the University of Salford told the annual conference of the Royal Geographical Society last week that when used at capacity, light rail is cheaper to run per passenger kilometre than buses.
Around 20% of peak period passengers on the 7 existing tram and light rail systems previously used cars compared with just 6.4% on bus schemes, his research showed.
Light rail is also faster, shifting passengers at speeds of up to 22 kilometres per hour compared to buses at 10 to 14 kilometres per hour in ordinary traffic.

Right on Korner; stick it in your petrol filler pipe bogush.

Trams travel on a straighter smoother flatter line than buses, so you can't compare passenger mile with passenger mile.

And the tram might have to go ten miles to get from A to B because of those constraints.

Where the bus only goes one mile.

So the tram could be (claimed to be) nine times more efficient "per pasenger mile".

But still be less efficient.

 

And of course its "faster".

The buses stop far more frequently to pick up passengers.

And don't have conductors.

If you reversed the situation:

Which would be faster then?

 

BoTrams travel on a straighter smoother flatter line than buses, so you can't compare passenger mile with passenger mile.

And the tram might have to go ten miles to get from A to B because of those constraints.

Where the bus only goes one mile.

So the tram could be (claimed to be) nine times more efficient "per pasenger mile".

But still be less efficient."

As Bogush would say - please feel free to give an example.

Of what?

 

By the way, have you read the threads about the the former financial head of the Los Angeles Tram system, now international tram consultant.

 

He confirms that trams are very economical and practical.

Unfortunately I forget how many millions have to live in the city.

And how many millions have to work in the centre.

For that to be true.

 

But it's just a bit more than Nottingham.

And Sheffield.

And Edinburgh.

And Manchester.

And even Glasgow.

 

 

Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?

Professor Richard Knowles of the University of Salford told the annual conference of the Royal Geographical Society last week that when used at capacity, light rail is cheaper to run per passenger kilometre than buses.

How many passengers does your typical bus carry?

And your typical tram?

And does that account for empty running off peak.

Or is it a straight comparison?

Is he saying that if you ran trams only when they were full, and stopped as soon as they stopped being full, they would be more economic than buses (even allowing for the capital costs)?

Wouldn't be much of a transport system, though, would it?

We already have them only stopping every so many bus stops to try to make them "practical".

 

Around 20% of peak period passengers on the 7 existing tram and light rail systems previously used cars compared with just 6.4% on bus schemes, his research showed.

Does that include Nottingham?

Where they've effectively closed, at phenomenal cost, the road alternative.

On top of the tram being, as one pro trammer gloated, a mobile roadblock on the road it has commandeered.

 

Light rail is also faster, shifting passengers at speeds of up to 22 kilometres per hour compared to buses at 10 to 14 kilometres per hour in ordinary traffic.

Funny, I thought buses go go seventy, or faster.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

He means average speed.

Well, when a bus has to stop every few yards.

And wait while all the passengers sort out their change.

Whilst the tram only stops once or twice, and has two or three conductors onboard.

It's hardly surprising the tram is "faster".

IS IT?!

 

"Around 20% of peak period passengers on the 7 existing tram and light rail systems previously used cars compared with just 6.4% on bus schemes, his research showed.

Does that include Nottingham?"

No the figure in Nottingham is 30% where patronage is up 40% on last year and 99% of trams run on time.

And will soon get 2 more lines.

You really are a prat, Bogush.

These guys are wiping the floor with you and exposing your fraudulent arguments for what they are. Listen to yourself rant man. It's embarassing.

TPG - FIGHTING FOR TRAMS - FIGHTING FOR YOU!

So, outside of London, most people commute by car.

And they've stopped people using cars.

And only 30% of the drivers use the tram.

And patronage has only gone up 40%.

 

Wow.

That's so bad I don't see why you've publicised it.

Or are you actually pro car?