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Nice site, Bogey. :-)

Robert

Nice work Bogush...
But where is everyone else ?

Bogush

This is a great start to your site and I am sure that in time it will develop into THE premier site for information and discussion of these issues.

I will fully support you in this endeavour. Please call upon me for any assistance that I can give.

I have a question. To what extent are you willing to support fuel and other protests yourself? By that I mean leaving the virtual world, sticking a poster on a placard and meeting up with myself and others to sit in front of fuel trucks, Nottingham trams, buses in bus lanes and all the rest of it?

I don't mean the sort of idiotic, overthetop fuel protests of last September, when morons decided whether hospitals could get fuel or not. I mean the sort of responsible, limited protest, which does not inconvenience the public, but does grab the headlines, as demonstrated by David Handley and the farmers and most of the PFL committee last Friday.

I thought that that was a brilliantly successful protest.

This question also applies to any others reading this message board. If this site were able to organise real life protests, we might get somewhere.

And remember I am not just talking about fuel protests. Its time we Brits kicked the politicians asses over many different issues where our taxes are wasted. It no good talking it out on Newsnight, or waiting for Rhys Park's snow and rain to ease. Politicians hate placards, so that's the way to go.

I also think that a chat room should be added to this site. I doubt that it will be used much, if at all, for the first few weeks, but in time it could prove to be very handy. Right now the PFL chat room is closed and no one ever seems to visit the Funkiichatroom.

Think about it Bogush.

Arthur Gibson

Arthur you say you dont want "overthetop fuel protests like last september's". If these achieved nothing for ordinary motorists what chance do "limited protests" have?

Score: Twice today, but not with the wife either time.

Get real. Last September's protest won huge concessions from the government. The pre tax statement was much more generous than expected. Took the wind out of the Tories sails completely.

Now we have to build on that success and get more.

You don't get everything all at once. That would not be fun.

Arthur Gibson

Score: Twice today, but not with the wife either time.

Get real. Last September's protest won huge concessions from the government. The pre tax statement was much more generous than expected. Took the wind out of the Tories sails completely.

Now we have to build on that success and get more.

You don't get everything all at once. That would not be fun.

Arthur Gibson

I am an ordinary motorist and i personally have gained bugger all since these protests began.

NICE site found at last

BILL

Thanks all.

Arthur, I will have to leave my virtual world and come up for air pretty soon.

But if only you knew how clapped out and slow my computer was (you'd could easily mistake it for my car;-) you would be sending me pizzas, coffee and matchsticks, not trying to drag me out into the cold night air!

Any ............... way (sorry, connection dropped again, must put another shilling in the payphone) which of the contri .......... (just nodded off) ....... butors to this forum do you want me to impale on a pla .......... (oops, crashed again - the computer, not the car!) ....... card.

Shirley you should know to what extent I am willing to support fuel and other protests myself

I only just noticed this Guestbook .

Anyway brilliant site . easy to navigate and an excellent starting place for information .What more could you want :0)))

Oh and thankyou for all your support .

Oh and to AG most of us are not hiding behind our electronic bits :0) We are really clever and can do both --fiddling with our bits and sitting on protest lines .

But thanks for your concern anyway .
Shirley www.fuelprotest2000.co.uk

I think your site is great Bogush

Woody

From the poll page, I quote:
Please note that 50 of the "about right" votes were by an undemocratic spammer! And yet another 14 turned up together, amazing - if you don't believe in democracy, please don't vote!

Har har har. So by your reckoning, you have a total of about 50 genuine votes eh? That's some poll - your meetings must really get exciting.

Perhaps Bogush, you are simply unhappy to see your motion so thoroughly squashed by the democratic, voting public? So you make up this tale of the mystery mutli-voter... hmmm.

Yours,
TPG - DEFENDING THE FUEL TAX FRONT!

Are the south coast ports and not the refineries next to be targetted ?

Targetted for what, demonstrations that no-one will turn up for? (Remember Hyde Park, He He He!!!)

So what justification are you going to use this time, can't be the old chestnut about having 98% support. (Remember Hyde Park, He He He!!!)

Robert

PS Who are you going to blockade?

Hyde Park? What about it?

Did something happen there? Har har har!

Yours,
TPG - KEEPING THE TAX IN PETROL

The Peoples Fuel Lobby


Dear sir
I have just watched the Channel 4 program, Sixty Days, Saturday 17th August 2002. I think that you may find what I have to say interesting and ask you to take time to read this letter.
I am a well-read, fully qualified freelance security consultant and have a great deal of admiration for what you and your colleagues achieved. While I sympathise with your campaign, mine is more fundamental, the issue of freedom of liberty, anti-globalisation and the realisation that population control is really here. The issue of population manipulation and control is a main factor in any successful democratic lobbying of leadership that is why it is so important to any government.
Your initial campaign was a superb success that pushed the panic button at Downing Street, your demonstrations were peaceful, well organised and gained the support of many people across the country. It was successful for a number of reasons, the element of surprise being the most important. While The PM was on TV trying his hardest to reassure the public that fuel deliveries would be back to normal in 24 hrs the Governments top risk assessors at MI5 worked away to ensure that the effects of the fuel shortage didn’t compromise the governments position as the leaders of the UK, together with ensuring that it would not happen again. There risk assessment would have included methods to negate future risks to the nations fuel supply and a response to any further protests by The Peoples Fuel Lobby. The actions that the Government taken to discredit yourself and your organisation would have been well planned and researched in advance.
The definition of “Terrorism”, the use of organized intimidation; terrorism [from Latin terrere ‘ to frighten’], Terrorist, a person that uses intimidation to coerce a Government or community.
Right or wrong The Peoples Fuel Lobby meets the definition of a Terrorist organisation and will now be registered as a Domestic Terrorist Organisation with MI5.
Your actions will go down in the present Governments unofficial records as a wakeup call to the power of the population, they will, and have learnt from this experience and have responded with a change in the law to public protest, risk assessment done and methods to negate in place, job done!
You learnt the hard way in dealing with the media and I am sure that you now have no trust in our system of Government or media information, welcome to the party, it’s a frightening form of realisation isn’t it?
You could have beaten the Government on this issue if you knew who you had to beat, the spin that a western world Government can create given almost unlimited resources is a tough player, during the initial protests your group was small, unknown and had the element of surprise as we are now all aware it worked, touché.
Sixty days gave the Government time to move its larger size into action and collect intelligence on its opposition; all of your initial advantages had been lost.
You also face the same problems as the current political parties, apathy, not voter apathy but social apathy, most people in the UK today to wrapped up in their socially styled, self-centred lives that to manage without fuel for any length of time is a fate worse that death, they agree with your actions and arguments as long as it doesn’t affect them. This is your biggest challenge, most of the public in this country lead a comfortable life that they feel they have a right too and will put up with allsorts of restrictions as long as it doesn’t change it too much, this is how population control works, put them to sleep and then change a little slowly. If you where to lobby the Government to increase fuel tax by 100% you would find you have all the support you need, not only to reduce the tax on fuel, but also to overthrow the entire Government.
Remember the poll tax riots that changed Government policy, they didn’t, what changed the Governments policy on the poll tax was a shortage of cash, so many people refused to pay that they couldn’t balance the books, they told the truth about that one.
I wonder to myself if you tried to get any professional help during your protest, difficult because MI5 would have had operatives ready to advise your group to the Governments advantage without your knowledge, a truly impartial adviser would have been difficult to find without professional contacts, something to think about for the future.
The media’s part in the protest was predictable as usual, sensationalize, scandalize and make as much money as possible, all media companies are the same, they are without doubt the most incompetent users of social communication in the world, luckily they all have the same personal profile that makes them easy for the initiated to spot, corruptible aresoles, pawns on the Government chess board.
Can I recommend a book to read, MI6 Fifty Years Of Special Operations by Stephen Dorril, yes the one they tried to ban, draw you own conclusions on Government morels.
Well done again, my personal view is that there is no future for The Peoples Fuel Lobby in its current format, you have no more cards in your hand to play, if you intend to continue to lobby the Government on fuel tax you need a new approach and better resources, they are out there you just need to look for them. Get in touch and I will give you some ideas, for obvious reasons I use a nickname my contact is as below,

anubiswarrioruk@yahoo.co.uk


Best wishes for the future, I will be in London on the 22nd September 2002 on the liberty and livelihood march your own interests lie here too.

I've reposted it for others to see elsewhere.

If you've got a website, or one you want to recommend, feel free to post a link.

There is a website for the Liberty and Livelihood March. It's at http://www.march-info.org

It states that: "Although this march will not just be about hunting, the outrage at the prospect of a ban has lit the fuse. This march is about rural liberty and livelihoods. Lest anyone misunderstand its purpose we have set down a five point charter. Anyone who does not subscribe to all five principles of our march will not be welcome on it."

That doesn't sound like a pooling of common interests to me. Many urban-dwelling people (people who might feel that they pay too much tax and might be concerned about issues of liberty and livelihood) already take offence at the oft-stated idea that they are too self-absorbed to care about the plight of rural people. Whether it is true or not, they look upon farmers and landowners as greedy subsidy junkies. For this reason, they never understood what place farmers had in a "taxpayer's revolt". Their taxes have been artificially propping up the industry for half a century.

As for the idea that the banning of hunting is an issue of liberty, well I agree. But on the other hand, nobody has done more to discourage this view than the hunt protestors themselves. They have continually and untruthfully put forward the argument that the ban will ruin the livelihoods of thousands of people and that hunting is the most humane way of controlling the fox population. These have been disproven time and time again. There is even evidence that some hunts actually breed foxes to hunt. As for the argument about the number of livelihoods under threat, the numbers are inflated. Few people are either directly or indirectly employed in hunting. Even if the numbers were true were true, millions of people have had to learn to live with the "flexible labour market". Rightly or wrongly, there are no "safe" jobs or "jobs for life" anymore.

If hunt protestors had campaigned on the "liberty" issue from day one instead of using the argument that urban-dwellers did not understand country ways, had they not used spurious arguments about pest control and unemployment and then mixed and matched in arguments such as "rights of way" and the way that supermarkets treat the farming industry, perhaps they could have counted on more active support from a broader spectrum of the population, me included. Now they seem to be saying that people interested in liberty are not welcome unless they happen to agree that government policy is destroying rural communities.

The reason that the fuel protests in 2001 initially had some success was not because people strongly feel they are paying too much tax on fuel. It was because the people that had the means to blockade the fuel terminals did so, copying a similar protest in France only days earlier. The hauliers were helped in this by disgruntled militant farmers who already had an organisation that had used similar tactics in their protests against milk prices.

The reaction of the government was too strong, especially 60 days later when the protestors held their convoy to London. On the other hand, most of what they did was in sheer panic. They were right to put in place measures that ensured supplies of fuel were not disrupted but they were wrong to send the police in to ensure that the convoy was a disaster. They did this partly because they felt that the people arrayed against them had a strong core of party political motives and also because of the behaviour of their main rival in the upcoming general elections. The Conservative leader seized upon the protests to increase his own dwindling support by cheerleading the protestors. A more responsible politician that genuinely agreed with the protestor's cause would have urged the protestors to call off the blockades and pledged to meet all reasonable demands if they were elected - rather than using it to score points.

There already is a groundswell of "libertarianism" on the backbenches of the Conservative party and within the grassroots. There is even a suggestion of splitting away from the main party and setting up something called the "Start Again Party" with principles broadly based on individual liberty and responsibility and freedom from government and taxation. They are not so much against specific new Labour policy or in favour of traditional Conservatism as suggesting a completely new relationship between government and the people. I don't know where they stand on state security and globalisation and my guess is that they would pour scorn on the Common Agricultural Policy and rigged food markets. Their doctrine is that a government's only purpose is to protect man's rights. It seems to be something more appropriate to what you are looking for.

I found the sixty days program most illuminating.

Whle I shook my head at the naivity of the protesters along with everyone else, I was struck by the completely over-the-top reaction from the police.

Video survellance, obstruction of democratic rights and a willingness to do whatever it took to stop peaceful protest was apparant.

Much was made int he program about the polictical stance of the protestors. While I am sure there were some bandwagoneers along fo rthe ride, I got the impression that the majority of them were normal folk who had simply reached the end of the line and didn't know what else to do, even though their methods might not have been appropriate.

At no point did I see any evidence of some kinf of right wing political machine controlling them.

One last point concerns the media. I will admit that I began watching the program witha view that the media are nothing more than a bunch of sharks, eagerly waiting to tear apart peoples lives for the sake of selling a few more rags.

The program chnaged my view of them. I now view the media as on the same moral level as people who steal old ladies handbags.

Bogush,
I've just registerd with your website & i must say it's about time we motorists started sticking together & stuffing it to the government.
I'm also registerd with several speed camera websites & i also saw the article about the Motorists Against Detection vandalising speed cameras in London.
Whilst i don't really like people who break the law i can certainly understand why they do it though!
Here in the West Midlands the bloody things keep popping up all over the place & i thought that they were now supposed to be painted a bright colour but all they've done here is either painted the backplate yellow or painted a yellow stripe around the post!
Keep up the good work your an inspiration to us all.
Andy

Funkii,
The Liberty and Livlihood march is nothing more than a rehash of the Countryside Alliance. They're playing the liberty card cos they think it may get some approval from us urbanites. With the dumbing down of the governments RIP bill due to a public outcry (although I fear Blunkett is quietly figuring out how to bring it back in) the CA have seen a possible way of recruiting more support, by linking their cause to the removal of your/our liberty.
The front page of their website is splattered with images of huntin', shootin' and fishin'. Wheres the pics of me sitting outside my local enjoying a pint??
All the vehicles I see with the stickers on around my village are those belonging to farmers, farmers wives, and everyone else connected with that industry.
I won't be there for this bloodsport rally - hopefully everyone else will see through the hype!

MP |¬((

No sooner had I typed the above but there was an item on the news about the CA having a demo at Newmarket racecourse today, where they rode around the course with a 1000 hounds, to highlight the needless slaughter of these dogs should hunting be banned.
Then a spokesman for the CA stated that it was a pertinent demo as most racehorses become hunt horses on retirement.
Funny, I thought they were sold to the meat trade and sent to France for someones dinner. (This trade was highlighted a couple of years ago, and included some of the Queens own retired horses, following them to a knackers yard in France!!!)


MP |¬((

That Arthur Gibson guy does write a lot of crap.

Bogush

Thanks for contribuiting to my HJ forum thread regarding killing pedestrians. As you may remember I was gathering information for a presentation for a job interview. Unfortunately I was 'not successful this time' but I must say the local council involved were very professional and had the decency to phone me up to discuss the interview.

They felt the presentation was excellent and congratulated me on my research. They have employed someone with 10 years experience in the road planning field so I can't really argue with that! Well maybe..

There is a silver lining to this cloud in the form of a similar position within the same council in 6 months time, so fingers crossed....

Thankyou again, your input was a great confidence boost and very informative!

Hurman

Nice site.

I'm running on LPG and if the chancellor decides to tax it like petrol I'll buy it as heating fuel and transfer it at home.

Screw you Mr Brown.

Nice site pity about the content

Well, at least your posts make a stab at introducing a modicum or wit.

Which is more than can be said for most of the pro-tram spin doctors.

In any sense ot the word.

bogush

It's YOUR Duty!

bogush's lair

Good Site. It's about time that the motorists of the UK became a harder target. Time to give us a fair crack.

Off topic, non "guestbook" post moved to its own thread here:

Georgeda Seems To Struggle With So Many Concepts:

 

well its 2003 and yet again the goverment tries it on come you guys lets teach them a lesson once and for all WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH NOW WE GET TOUGH

well said don, something has to be done about it

Oops, here we go again.

You're not a new visitor, you know, Jack, me old boy!

 

Re: Welcome to my forum Guestbook!

June 13 2003, 2:23 PM

Off topic, non "guestbook" post moved to Georgeda's own thread here: Georgeda Seems To Struggle With So Many Concepts:

 

Sighhhhhhhhhhhh

This one too!

 

Poor site.

Can't you read Jack.

Or do you just never read what you are "replying" to?

George is right

September 29 2003, 8:11 PM

Oops, here we go again. You're not a new visitor, you know, Jack, me old boy!   Re: Welcome to my forum Guestbook! June 13 2003, 2:23 PM  Off topic, non "guestbook" post moved to Georgeda's own thread here: Georgeda Seems To Struggle With So Many Concepts:

This site is fruitcake central. But then you will censor this. Odd. You wined yourself silly when you were censored and then banned by Honest John.

Double standards anyone?

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I shall leave these two posts here so that visitors to the:

It's Your Duty Website

(Whose guestbook this thread is supposed to be, allowing comments from new visitors to the:

It's Your Duty WEBSITE

to be seen on the:

It's Your Duty FORUM)

CAN SEE EXACTLY THE KINDS OF FRUITCAKES THE FORUM ATTRACTS

JACK RUSSELL (aka LEIF of the HJ Backroom?)

Why do you seem reasonable for a while?

Then turn loopy when you lose an argument?

Was it you who kept complaining to the HJ "moderat"ors?

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PS As I have continually pointed out, your "discussion" has merely been moved to a discussion thread.

Together with copies of the visitors to the

It's Your Duty WEBSITE's

Comments.

And it is a shorter, and so faster loading thread.

And there is a link to it above.

How does this constitute censorship?

Unlike the HJ "tidying up" of my "off-topic" for a motoring forum (which invited people to "make themselves heard" and comment on the latest news) comments about "political" things like speed cameras into 100 post long threads which took days to load.

Now, you were saying?

My old fruit?

 

 

Ahem.

Just clearing your throat?

To help the sedatives go down?

Which bit of:

This is the guest book, for new visitors, to the

It's Your Duty WEBSITE

To leave a comment.

Are you struggling with.

Leif.

Me old "fruit".

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Clearly ALL of it!

 

I have never complained to anyone at the HJ site. Not even one little squeak of complaint. Never. Ever.

 

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Can I suggest you get a pair of these:

~0^0...:::::::::::

And start/stop taking the pills as appropriate.

 

So how come most people who sign here are old visitors i.e. Funkiprez, Arthur Gibson and so on ?

I have taken no sedatives. I just read your postings on the BBC site. Does the trick. Thanks for the concern. Decent of you. Toodle pip.

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Like I said, you need a new pair of these: ::::...O-O¬

Try reading the dates of the posting!

Fair point! Now where's me glasses gorn .

Certainly the lad is a terrier; I resist the temptation to say that he should be muzzled; I just wonder what his connection to that Honest John website may be.

But as this is a site intended to welcome, it may be apposite to mention just what is the Honest John site to which he refers, for the benefit of those welcomed here who may be puzzled. It is a site which you may come across if you read the Motoring Supplement to the Saturday Daily Telegraph and the Honest John column therein; you will find some very useful information - I bought a car after HJ's recommendation with complete satisfaction. BUT...

But there is also a forum called the Back Room, which contains some interesting discussion, however confined within certain limits prescribed by the urban peasants who pass as moderators. If you transgress over these limits you will not just be censored, your account will be disabled, apparently for ever, and you may even be abused on the site and sent exceedingly nasty personal e-mails.

Roughly, say, if you send messages about Clios and Astras or personalised plates or speed bumps or cracks against BMWs and their owners you will be fine. If you ar a car user, bumbling along at around a speed limit you will be OK; If you are, say a traffic police person, you will be welcome.

If you dare to deplore the likes of the increasingly vindictive persecution of the motorist - one who uses the performance of his car to the full, safely and competently, making full use of favourable conditions with all allowance for bad - or comment on the many ugly manifestations thereof, that is not wanted; nor is any resentment of the views of the other side, however ludicrous and cack-brained and however much they may have a go.

If you hope, on this allegedly motoring site, to exchange views on such matters as I have briefly indicated, forget it. If you want to talk about performance cars, do not bother. You can do much better elsewhere.

So why do I care about being excluded? Fair question; I could get back any time under another e-mail address for a start. But I bitterly resent, never having written anything vulgar or obscene, being excluded for having the "wrong" views or perhaps appearance of having wrong politics or persona. It does my heartburn no good.

(All this, incidentally, indirectly under the aegis of The Daily Telegraph which I have taken since 1947!)

This amounts to discrimination, about which so much is said nowadays, and I am wondering what I might do about it.

So, access the site by all means, but if you go into the Back Room do not trail your coat in any way, or they will find a means to tread on it - in my case by one of them needling me to make an intemperate reply, and making that an excuse to chop me off.

Or perhaps better, just stay here.

Have fun.

Tomo

Perhaps I should have said "SUB-urban peasants"!

Jack Russell is that little terrier "Leif" I suspect!

Also to be found here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi?state=threads&board=england.nottingham&

 

Just another "Mann" knows best , egotistcal load of rehashed and anti-road safety codswallop.

Please note that anything found on the BBC boards are the copyright of the BBC and may not be copied to other boards without their permission.

So stop quoting myself and others Mann unless you have their go ahead.

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I suggest you have a little chat with their lawyers, then!

 

Sorry I just pasted something from the BBC board.......Shan't do it again

 

 

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Funny how the anti-car crowd even struggle with the technicalities of a website guest book.

 

Or perhaps they were just unable to operate the forum link.

 

No surprises there then:

 

Surfing this internet highway should be banned!

 

It's just too complicated for mere humans to cope with in safety!!

 

 

A very interesting and informative site.

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I hope that that was a comment on my site.

And not an ad for his:

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http://www.ebook-site.com

 

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Time to act,
do i need to say more,the goverment is takin the P**S ,
Fuel tax is on the up & set to got up again in september.

if we dont act now , it will be too late
they got away with it last year , lates not make the same mistake again

A friend of mine regularly breaks the speed limit by a large margin, and has had suspension, brakes, and engine parts replaced on his "pride and joy" due to his vice. Yet at the same time, he's not a bad driver! He knows how fast he's going, to within 5mph, from the engine tone. If in doubt, drop your speed! If you can't drive a car safely without breaking the speed limit, then you aren't in proper control of your vehicle. Pilots have way more instruments to look at, and they manage to control their speed happily, or there'd be more crash landings!

On the dual carriageway, I often pass people at 70 who're stuck behind a truck doing 56. Yet they're so Big and Clever they passed me at 85, then cut me up. While they were checking their mirror to check if they'd pissed me off, I'm looking at the truck they're stuck behind, signalling, and pulling into the other lane.

Hi Stupid!

If in doubt, drop your speed! If you can't drive a car safely without breaking the speed limit, then you aren't in proper control of your vehicle.   Clearly well read Stupid.   Have you not read about the thousands done for exceeding 50 in 70?   Or all the people done for speeding in a 30?   When they were doing under 30, under 20, under 10, and even under 5mph!     Pilots have way more instruments to look at, and they manage to control their speed happily, or there'd be more crash landings!   Yeah, but they decide for themselves what speed to go.   And they don't have speed limit, and loads of other, signs to keep an eye on.   And, in case you hadn't noticed, they exceed 70mph, never mind 30, most of the time.   But, strangely, the speed doesn't kill them. On the dual carriageway, I often pass people at 70 who're stuck behind a truck doing 56. Yet they're so Big and Clever they passed me at 85, then cut me up. While they were checking their mirror to check if they'd pissed me off, I'm looking at the truck they're stuck behind, signalling, and pulling into the other lane.   ?!?!?!   Don't drive drunk, or is is drugs your problem?

On the subject of speed cameras no-one asked anyone to speed, if you cant take the penalty don't commit the crime.
The selfish morons who carried out the last fuel protests did nothing but massively inconvenience millions, and anyone who takes part in any today are just carrying the work of the terrorists. Without paying any taxes we wouldn't have any NHS or an education system. Oh by the way I do drive, a diesel car in fact, whilst I don't like the oil companies profiteering from me it happens in all walks of life, I don't see anyone threatening to blockade any reservoirs in reaction to the threatened 40% rise in water bills

Personally I hope that if you are stupid enough to screw up my day by sitting on tram lines in Nottingham, the driver has the sense to keep going and run you over.

We all have the right to peaceful protest - you do not have the right to prevent me going about my business.

Or give me your adress and I will come and park in your drive and prevent you going about your business.

Also please explain (I agree there should be no increase in duty in September) how any government can alter the price of crude being sold on the open market.

Or do you think we should nationalise everything - or lets be original and start a war over oil

"On the subject of speed cameras no-one asked anyone to speed, if you cant take the penalty don't commit the crime."

Duh?

Tell that to the people who got done for exceeding 50mph on a 70mph motorway.

Or the guy who got done for breaking a 30mph speed limit as he rode past a 40mph sign.

Or all the people who got done for breaking the limit when they were actually doing UNDER 30mph, 20mph, 10mph, even UNDER 5mph.

Then there's all the people who "broke" illegal speed limits, unsigned "legal" limits.............etc, etc, etc.

I take it "Stu" is short for "Stupid" then?

"The selfish morons who carried out the last fuel protests did nothing but massively inconvenience millions, and anyone who takes part in any today are just carrying the work of the terrorists."

So, do let us knoe, Stupe:

Do you think that hunt sabs are terrorists?

Animal liberationists?

Motorway and by-pass protesters?

What about suffragettes?

Or are you just reminding us what t' bLiar decided?

And enacted!

 

"Without paying any taxes we wouldn't have any NHS or an education system."

And your point is?

That someone on a low wage with no practical access to public transport should be forced to pay 350% fuel taxes for the "privilege" of getting to work?

That an OAP with no access to public transport at all, theoretically on the lowest tax band, should effectively be paying double the income tax rate of t' bLiar on the money he buys his fuel with?

While people in cushy, city centre jobs for life, like, errrm, remind me?

Oh, yes:

unCivil and other public "servants" should have their chauffeured trams and buses subsidised by them, on top of having their fuel tax free.

 

"Oh by the way I do drive, a diesel car in fact,"

So, you're a hypocrite as well as stupid!

 

"whilst I don't like the oil companies profiteering from me it happens in all walks of life,"

Duh?

Let's see, fuel is about 80p per litre.

The chancellor makes a non profiteering 100% profit on his around 350% fuel taxes.

The 20p profiteering the "oil companies" make only has to cover fuel station overheads and wages, including all taxes, transportation overheads and wages, including all taxes, refining overheads and wages, including all taxes, transportation overheads and wages, including all taxes, extraction overheads and wages, including all taxes, exploration overheads and wages, including all taxes.

Oh, yes, and license fees, and things.

Like, ermmmmm, taxes.

 

"I don't see anyone threatening to blockade any reservoirs in reaction to the threatened 40% rise in water bills"

Perhaps people think it's not too bad considering their heating oil and LPG gas bills are only taxed at 5% instead of 350%.

 

"Personally I hope that if you are stupid enough to screw up my day by sitting on tram lines in Nottingham"

Who are you talking to Tone?

 

"the driver has the sense to keep going and run you over."

Well, he certainly can't steer round.

Probably couldn't stop either unless somebody warned him about the obstruction round the corner.

"We all have the right to peaceful protest - you do not have the right to prevent me going about my business."

So, you don't think that anyone had the right to block off the streets of Nottingham for three years to put in the tram lines?

Or close off the city centre?

Or restrict junctions?

Or put obstacles on roads?

Or put up silly speed limits and stop the arteries of the nation from being used to efficiently transport the life blood of the economy round the country!

"Or give me your adress and I will come and park in your drive and prevent you going about your business."

Let me have a wild guess here:

I think that you and your kind have already done enough to prevent the rest of us from going about our business.

"Also please explain (I agree there should be no increase in duty in September) how any government can alter the price of crude being sold on the open market."

Please explain who said they could!

"Or do you think we should nationalise everything - or lets be original and start a war over oil"

Duh?

What you on (about)?!

 

a) What a website guest book is for.

b) How to find the forum.

 

"I take it "Stu" is short for "Stupid" then?"

I might of known that someone who is devoid of sensible ideas would resort to personal attacks.

I am neither stupid nor am I a spokesman for Tony Blair, but it is obvious that you are living on a different planet to the rest of us

"Without paying any taxes we wouldn't have any NHS or an education system."

"And your point is?"
Hows this for a scenario
Driver talking on his mobile phone while driving
crashes doing 35 in a 30 zone
petrols cheap because the fuel tax has been abolished
ambulance takes 30 minutes to get there because of traffic jams
when the driver gets to hospital he is asked about his health insurance status before any treatment is allowed
the poor pedestrian is killed

FACT
Four cars have ended up on their roofs outside my house in the past 12 months because of speeding
How would you feel? if that was happening outside your home, what would you feel if one of your kids was killed by some moron speeding outside your house, would you still be ranting on about motorists rights.

"So, you're a hypocrite as well as stupid!"

So why am I a hypocrite, I'm just a normal bloke who needs his car to get from a-b, I'm just thankful that I have that facility, I represent 99.9% of motorists in this country who just want to get on with their lives without moronic fuel protesters stopping me from going about my lawful business.

Bin Laden and his cronies want to disrupt our fuel supply and those who want more fuel protests are just playing into his hands

Who's stupid now then

If you can spare 6 months to bring Europe to its knees I would be extremely grateful. If you could prevent your local hospital from receiving any supplies or if you could if you could blockade your local refinery and fuel distribution points it would save me many terrorists in my quest for global domination. Plus it would guarantee the re-election of George & Tony
Cheers Bin

I wondered:

By The Way, Why Are All The Anti's Too Stupid To Understand:

June 2 2004, 7:46 PM

a) What a website guest book is for. b) How to find the forum.   But I'd have thought good ol' Bin Liner had more sense then them.

Oops, must be them trolling again then!

 

Stu(pid) sed:

"I might of known that someone who is devoid of sensible ideas would resort to personal attacks."

Bit rich coming from someone who's just posted:

"On the subject of speed cameras no-one asked anyone to speed, if you cant take the penalty don't commit the crime.
The selfish morons who carried out the last fuel protests did nothing but massively inconvenience millions, and anyone who takes part in any today are just carrying the work of the terrorists."

So, calling people selfish moron criminal terrorists is a complement where you come from?

Why does that not surprise me.

I suppose that everything in your twisted world is arse about face.

"I am neither stupid nor am I a spokesman for Tony Blair, but it is obvious that you are living on a different planet to the rest of us"

Yes, I am on a different world to you and your ilk:

Planet Earth.

Stu(pid) >> >> >> "Without paying any taxes we wouldn't have any NHS or an education system."

bjm >> >> "And your point is?"

Stu(pid) >> Hows this for a scenario
Driver talking on his mobile phone while driving
crashes doing 35 in a 30 zone
petrols cheap because the fuel tax has been abolished
ambulance takes 30 minutes to get there because of traffic jams
when the driver gets to hospital he is asked about his health insurance status before any treatment is allowed
the poor pedestrian is killed

Errrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

And your point is?

If a driver crashes while on his mobile it's because his mind is on things other than the road and the physical hazards.

Other things like, errrmmmm, arbitrary, lowered or hidden speed signs, gatsos, or other speed traps.

And what is the rest of your ramble about?!

Are you telling us that:

a) You object to the disadvantaged who currently can't afford to drive being able to afford to?

b) You think that this, and not the halving of main roads and congestion engineering of all roads, will be what suddenly creates congestion from free flow?

"FACT
Four cars have ended up on their roofs outside my house in the past 12 months because of speeding
How would you feel? if that was happening outside your home, what would you feel if one of your kids was killed by some moron speeding outside your house, would you still be ranting on about motorists rights."

So, is that because they were doing 31 in a 30?!

Or were they joyriders doing 60 in a 30, or criminals being pursued?

Or were they pottering along and actually fooled into thinking that that a bend was a lot safer than it looked?

So whose fault were the accidents:

The fault of Stu(pid) people like YOU who think that road safety is about taking money out of traffic policing and road engineering and putting it into revenue sCams!

bjm >> "So, you're a hypocrite as well as stupid!"

"So why am I a hypocrite, I'm just a normal bloke who needs his car to get from a-b, I'm just thankful that I have that facility, I represent 99.9% of motorists in this country who just want to get on with their lives without moronic fuel protesters stopping me from going about my lawful business."

"Bin Laden and his cronies want to disrupt our fuel supply and those who want more fuel protests are just playing into his hands"

"Who's stupid now then"

You.

And selfish.

And a hypocrite.

What about the people who can't afford to get from a-b and don't have the facility?

What about the people who are effectively taxed at 80% on the income they use to put fuel in their cars?

And what about the "99.9% of motorists in this country" who can't "get from a-b", are deprived of the "facility",  because of all the anti-car measures "stopping me from going about my lawful business" imposed by governments who rely on useful idiots like you who "just want to get on with their lives without moronic fuel protesters" or others fighting their corner who cause them a little inconvenience.

You might not be concerned about forking out 40 quid for a tenners worth of petrol.

But ask the retired bloke, or the student nurse, on the next pump how they like it.

"Who's stupid now then"

 

Hi everybody.

I think your site is excellent, Keep up the good work.

Regards

Tom.

What do you think of my site ?

http://www.thurrockroadsafetycampaign.co.uk

What do I think of the website? Well, it is very poorly laid out. The use of graphics is somewhat below that one sees from the average eight-year-old, with a hodge-podge of scrolling text, banners in various "styles," and seemingly-random artistic accents. There is no sense of overall design, and no coherence to navigating the site.

Oh, and the content? that's sh*te, too.

<i>What do you think of my Web Site: "It's YOUR Duty"?</i>

It's a crock.

As an expert web-designer you have obviously forgotten more about web design than I'll ever know.

 

Like the fact that the site is an off the peg site automatically created web site.

 

Oh, and you've obviously forgotten how to read too otherwise you'd have realised how silly your other comments were going to look.

 

 

As for "crock" gofl:

 

I take it you are referring to a crock of gold!

 

Welcome back, you little Fiend Of The Earth, you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Please see http//www.rescuelondon.org.uk to see the aims of Rescue London, and proposals to promote sensible congestion management, and transport policies that lower the cost of public transport,and alongside more car-friendly policies help reverse the damage that Ken Livingstones Congestion Charge scheme, and transport policies are causing

"Like the fact that the site is an off the peg site automatically created web site."

Ah, that explains a lot. In particular, the repetitive computer-generated conspiracy-theory-filled pathetic (in the true sense of the word) text with zero meaningful content. I always knew Eliza would come in useful one day.

Still working your way down to:

Oh, and you've obviously forgotten how to read too otherwise you'd have realised how silly your other comments were going to look.

Then!

 

Bogush is a sad sad mann

You're not really anonymous, though, are you.

As I can tell you're Porn King/ FW/ Public servant/ etc, etc, etc.

 

If I'm sad:

 

That must make you heartbroken!

 

 

If I had a clue what "Oh, and you've obviously forgotten how to read too otherwise you'd have realised how silly your other comments were going to look." was supposed to mean, I might have felt a vague urge to reply to it. As it is, it just seems like a meaningless and clearly erroneous attempt to be insulting.

Eh up bj,
Haven't spoke for a while so I just thought that i'd pop in and say hello.
Sad to see that you were banned from the beeb however I did write to them to ask that you were let back in.
Hope you are keeping well.
Cam..

Oh, don't worry, he's still there. Just working his way through a range of unlikely disguises ("it is I, Leclair!"). Funniest when he pretends to be a woman: it works for a little while, but he can never resist fondling his own breasts for long.