The IMPORTANT News

It's staggering to learn that a Serb asylum seeker who arrived in this country only SEVEN months ago
is suing for damages because his experiences while living in a hostel here.
Borijove Panic is challenging the decision of London Borough of Camdan to move him to *.* allegding
that he suffered "inhuman and degrading treatment" when placed with Albanian Kosovons at
St Augustines home.
Mr Panic described as a reowned compser with links to the Yugoslav royal family, is being represented
by solicitor Richard Wise , an ex-city councillor ( Labour ) with a reputation for human rights cases.
According to Mr Wise, his client complained to Camden council about his cicumstances, but was ignored.
In January he was moved to the YMCA in Leicester - with other Albanian Kosovans for company.
So Mr Panic, it seems, has been unlucky up to now in his allocation of digs. But does this mean that Serbs
and Cosovans must be kept in segragation ?
Isn't it enough that we have given such refugees a roof over their heads ? Must we aslo permit them to
pick & choose their company ?
Apparently, there's a chance that this could become the outcome.
Mr Panic has been given permission to seek a judicial reviwe ont he grounds that he was denied the
chance to express a preferance.
This is another example of the spread of the " blame culture " and the eagerness of lawyers to engage with
the European Convention on Human Rights, which obviouslt takes precedence over British Law now.
The Government has HELPFULLY ALLOCATED £250 MILLION for legal advice to asylum seekers.
However, I doubt whether it had in mind giving refugees the right to sue for damages because they don't
like the company of their fellow lodgers.
IF Mr Panic wins his case, it could open the floodgates. Refugees to theses shores have never had it SO GOOD.


MANY PAGES LATER.....................

An Abattoir could be forced to shut it's doros for good tomorrow with the loss of 29 Jobs because of the foot and
mouth crisis.
JF Longman, has run out of work for it's nine butchers and four drivers. The current foot and mouth outbreak has left
the 60 year old family business without any more meat to process.
Director, Mark Longman has already sent 16 staff on holiday. The 34 year old believes the Government should
compensate the meat trade during the current outbreak.
He said " I'm very worried and I don't get any information from the Government - they don't tell us anything. It does
not look like we are gettign any comensation in any shape or form.
I employ 29 lads and they are relying on me to keep the place open. We were managing quite well but there is no meat
left"
Mr Longman, who was hit by the BSE crisis in 1996, says he faces a race against time to meet his costs with the abattior
closed. He said " If the Government don't comeup with something quite quickly I don't know what is going to happen.
We are selling no meat and I still have to cover the wages which are £7,000 a week.
The Government has announced £150 MILLION for livestock farmers but there has been NO mention yet of compensation
in other areas.


WHO GETS BREAD BUTTER AND>>>>>>>>JAM ????????

I'm the one suing the government for depriving me of freedom of movement.

Mercedes, you've got to remember it's like putting an Irish Catholic into a cell full of Irish Protestants the day after an IRA outrage, only 100 times worse.

They should never have been put together, and whilst in general I disapprove of the concept of damages in situations like this, you can hardly blame the guy.

Mercedes' openly racist posting demonstrates the dangerously intolerant attitude of the hard core fuel protesters. This contrasts with the more moderate views of people like Shirley, to be fair to him, Rhys and perhaps WhiskyBob. Doubtless there are many others that should not be tarred with the same brush.

After a possibly harrowing journey to Britain to escape a life of hell in his own country, foolish British social workers placed this refugee in accommodation with his bitter enemies. Mercedes could not care less that he might then continue to suffer persecution, because it does not affect her narrow minded, selfish view of life.

This is the same bullying, uncaring mentality that gave us the refinery blockades of last September and wiped out 40% of public support for the fuel protest campaign.

A friend of mine is a security guard at a local shipping depot. Two days ago he found three illegal immigrants in a container and alerted other workers. They grabbed sticks and other tools to use as weapons and shouted "we will sort them out" and advanced on the container. Moments later they were helping a destitute family out of the container, making them cups of tea and giving their own packed lunches to the starving people.

We need hard working, enterprise filled people like these immigrants to help build our economy. They are the cream of the population in the countries that they have left behind and within ten years they will be the new millionaire over here, employing large numbers of British workers.

Its not the immigrants that should be deported, its the intolerant, selfish, subsidy grubbing fuel protesters like Mercedes who should be sent back to Rummania and Iraq.

In her second point, Mercedes wants compensation for meat workers and hauliers as well as the farmers. At the same time she wants to eliminate tens of billions of fuel tax revenue. How intelligent. Stop the billions coming in, but give billions extra away to her friends.

"Don't care for others and grab what you can for yourself and your friends", is a philosophy as old as time itself and we have fought many wars to stop it. Moderate, caring, freedom loving people like the moderate fuel protesters and the High Tax Supporters will always oppose this evil.

>Mercedes' openly racist posting demonstrates the dangerously intolerant attitude of the hard core fuel protesters <

Reading Mercedes post I thought that he/she had got this from a local paper.

>After a possibly harrowing journey to Britain to escape a life of hell in his own country.<

So why didn't he settle in the other European countries that he crossed in order to get to Britain?


> Mercedes could not care less that he might then continue to suffer persecution<

Excuse me for my ignorance, But wasn't it the SERBS who were persecuting the Albanians in Kosovo? Weren't they the ones who were suffering ethnic cleansing at the hands of the serbs?

I know someone who found four 'refugees' in the back of his lorry at Calais, when they were brought out he felt sorry for them, but as he said look at the fine he would have had, had he brought them to this country.

By the way, if they are genuine refugees then yes we should give shelter to them, but not the bogush ones who only want to come to Britain because we are the soft touch in Europe.

Did you also know that the Government is building an immigration centre in London to house some of these 'refugees', this will have a gym, sauna and a swimming pool.

Well I'm thinking of going to Australia and when I get there, claiming asylum because my government are persecuting my way of life over here, and they are doing things to me and my fellow Britons that I disagree with ( and so do millions of others), and if I protest I can be labled a terrorist, or even just recieving literature from any protest group that the Goevernment don't like, can land me in jail( please don't say it can't happen because it can and will ).

Maybe I can start a new trend, we all go to the USA,Australia, Canada etc and claim asylum.

"Welcome to this forum created to discuss the ridiculous levels of Fuel Tax in Britain .Please feel free to post messages whatever your opinion. However please keep on topic and keep it family friendly .Any abusive messages or those posted purely to incite argument will be removed".

Over to you Shirley

Obviously miss the point Yet AGAIN.

Being screwed for taxes for Hospitals Schools etc is one thing, but 1000's of illegalls, that probably get
more than your average pensioner, whilst living in our luxury, and demanding better schools for THEIR kids,
never having worked a day here......... if you don't
know where this is going ,

They can find £2.5 Mill of YOUR money to sue this
pathetic Government for their "awful" treatment,

Yet the farmers get sweet **** all.

Taxation = That was the Point BOGUSH , I'm beginning to think Arfur is rubbing off on you ??????

Deep apologies to U Bogush,> My reply was to that Funkii one. But whilst I do have your attention, shall
we all chip in for a few more slides, swings etc ?? to
keep them over your end.

& Arfur I am Not a racist, I just don't see why the
people of this country have to keep putting up with
being taken the P out of. The " Gov " admit it's got out of hand..............
Why don't you adopt a few then ?? with all your millions,set up your slave camp here instead of China.

Shirley

This line of argument is unacceptable. I insist that Mercedes and all her/his recent posts are removed from this board. It does nobody any credit having them here. SHE MUST GO NOW!. Tell her the BNP web site will welcome her with open arms.

Regards

Dave May

The post stays. You need to read it properly first.
1. It was taken from a National newspaper.
2. Merc has a point ..Charity starts at home and all that!!!!!!
3.Merc pointed out the apalling waste of money by hospital administrators,whilst nurses have to collect money for the baby ward.

To surmise I think he/she talks a lot of sense
My opinion is that whilst I have sympathy for many immigrants illegal or otherwise entering this country. As I stated above "charity starts at home" or let's get our own house in order first.
Your comment about this person re BNP deserves an apology[I will leave that to you]but won't hold my breath.
And last point who the hell are you to Insist who I remove from my board?
Careful you have allready been banned from one forum.

Footnote:

I don't want to delete posts again. But as Phil pointed out in a later thread. I will not have this forum turning into a point scoring match.
Hopefull this thread ends here.
Shirley

http://www.fuelprotest2000.co.uk

Merc, the Tory/right wing line on this subject is always "We've got nothing against genuine asylum seekers".

But if YOU want to deny them legal representation by not paying their legal fees, how could they prove whether or not they are genuine?

The legal costs are not the real issue. It is the fact that so may of the asylum seekers "dissapear" instead of applying for "genuine" status. You could argue that MORE money should be spent to speed up the process and properly police it.

But, as ever, it serves your purposes far more to take the populist line doesn't it?

<The legal costs are not the real issue. It is the fact that so may of the asylum seekers "dissapear" instead of applying for "genuine" status.>



If you would like to see less "dissapear", would you then agree that it's wrong to fine truckers £2,000 per person found? If the fines were abolished, less would dissapear. Why? Another true story.....

About 18 months ago (before the fines were introduced)
my dad was on his way home, after returning from France, when he looked in his mirror and saw a bloke stick his head out of the trailer. So my dad phoned the police, and aranged to meet in a service area. When he got there, the police opened the trailer and found seven people in the back. They were taken into custody, and I presume they applied for asylum.

Now, Imagine if the same was to happen again, but you have to pay £2,000 each person found. Do you think my dad is going to drive to the nearest police station, and say "There's seven immigrants in my trailer, please take them away. OH! and here's my cheque for FORTEEN THOUSAND POUNDS!!" Somehow, I don't think that even the most honest person in the world is stupid enough to do that! As soon as they are discovered, they will just be let out to "dissapear"

While it was stupid to put this person in with his "enemies" I don't see how claiming for compensation is going to help him get over his trauma.


There is no doubt that there are a lot of genuine refuges, but there are also a great number who come here to claim off of our "soft" benefits system.

About 3 weeks ago, a colleague of my fathers was boarding the ferry, in his truck. He went over a bump in the road and a person fell out from under the trailer (he was hiding between the axles). When the driver and the customs surrounded him he asked "London?" When he was told "No, Calais!" He replied "Calais no! Me London! London Money!"
Now that was a true stoy, and one you won't read in the Gaurdian.

Now that the public are becomming aware of this, they are becomming increasingly annoyed with the Authorities. This is a serious problem, that the government can't (Or won't) deal with. But what happens when they complain about it?......... They get branded racists, and are shamed into silence. Normal, mild mannered people, are being branded alongside real racists, like C18, BNP etc. As this goes on, they are going to become even more resentfull, and you will find that these people will start to sympathise with the racists, even join them.

So, the goverments inabillity to deal with the problem, is turning many (liberal?) people against genuine refugees, and even ethnic minorities in general.

Extream Political correctness is not a good thing.
Normal people are branded Racists.
Genuine Refugees are branded Scroungers.
Who does this benefit?
Exept the BNP etc, who are loving every minute of it.

Many of these people cannot possibly be scroungers. Many of them have paid up to £20,000 each to get out of third world countries, therefore they must have been extremely wealthy back home.

They don't come here to live of our handouts, they have come to make their fortunes. They come to the UK because English is the universal language and they cannot speak the stupid languages in mainland Europe. English is their best language, so they come here.

There is a rapidly growing divide between our world and their's. We are enjoying fantastic economic growth, their countries are going nowhere. This is not a problem, its an opportunity for Britain. This is a new wave of highly talented and motivated people who will bring new prosperity to our economy.

I am not to bothered about the "genuine" ones, I am more interested in the "fakes." They are the people with energy, determination, daring and drive. They are welcome to come and work for GIBSONS LIMITED and show us how we can export our products back to their home countries and earn even more foreign currency and prosperity, for the British people.

It was people like this that made America great, thank goodness that they are now heading in OUR direction, we should welcome them with open arms, and a cup of tea!



"Keep ancient lands your storied pomp, cries she with silent lips. Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Emma Lazarus (1849-1887)

"Extreme Political correctness is not a good thing.
Normal people are branded Racists.
Genuine Refugees are branded Scroungers.
Who does this benefit?
Except the BNP etc, who are loving every minute of it".

Normal people are branded Racists - by left wing people and press.

Genuine Refugees are branded Scroungers - by right wing people and press (and the Opposition leader).

Both sides are guilty of using the situation to their own ends, gaz.

The solution is a better system to deal with the problem....which costs money (and police resources)...which mercedes doesn't think should be spent.

<Normal people are branded Racists - by left wing people and press.

Genuine Refugees are branded Scroungers - by right wing people and press (and the Opposition leader).

Both sides are guilty of using the situation to their own ends, gaz.>



That is exactly what I said!

What's going to happen is, There will only be two extremes to any argument, and ordinary, broadminded people will be forced into one extreme of the argument weather they like it or not! There will be no middle ground.

For example, I know alot come here because they have suffered terible things in their own country, and we should help them all we can. I also Know alot come here because we are a soft touch.

Seriously, do you think I am a racist?
In this Ultra-PC country, I would immediatly be put into that catagory, even though I have expressed concern for the genuine cases!

Who does that help? NOBODY! What does that solve? NOTHING! If anything, it risks turning me against the genuine cases!


You did it to bogush recently. He said that he doesn't condone speeding in urban areas, infact, they deserve all they get, but some cameras are not there for safety, they are there for financial gain. As a responce, you then suggested he thinks that motorists should drive as fast as they wanted! So, according to you, you must either, think that every road traffic law is perfect, and if you don't, you are a lawless lunatic.




<The solution is a better system to deal with the problem....which costs money (and police resources)...which mercedes doesn't think should be spent.>


I think the point that Mercedes was making is, The money should be spent on finding out if they are genuine cases, and if they are, helping them. NOT paying for soliciters to sue everyone that upsets them. Which I think was the point of the original post. But because it dared to criticise them, it was immediatly dismissed as racist ranting, and she was thrown into the Far-Right, Nazi category.......... Can you see what I am getting at?



My solution, for what it's worth, is, They stop at the first "Safe" country they come to, apply for asylum there, and all the sucessfull ones are then distributed evenly across Europe. Therefore everyone does their bit. Does that sound racist to you?


Gaz.

Wow , Iv'e now got brownie points for being a fascist AND a racist, ALL in one week !! plus a new Fan - prat
Dave May. And Susie, U owe me one,,, hahahhahahhahahah

"Reading Mercedes post I thought that he/she had got this from a local paper."

Direct Quote ,Correct!!, and hit the Nationals Today !
That's how far in Front THIS site is with the news.
( Gennis statement - D H gets arrested ?????????????)

Futher on in the paper, it added : The pen pushers had to get rid of new, overly-perfectly adequate computer equipment in her hospital department,re; their budget, whilst a nurse from the Baby Intensive Care Unit was begging for donations.

Does that sound like a fair system to you ?

As this has turned into; Merc is a racist, post, may I point out, a lot of my Best friends ( not acquaintences ) are of West Indian & Pakistani origin.
Clive has a mansion here, villa in Spain ( not crappy
Cornwall ) drives 1) Ferrari 2) Bentley 3) Porsche
4) 4 track (OWNED - not leased)
THATS REAL MONEY ARFUR & Co . Think he'd LOVE to see your posts. And he is salt of the earth, unlike.........................................???????

LESSTAXONFUEL For ALL
B Liar OUT

<I am not to bothered about the "genuine" ones, I am more interested in the "fakes." They are the people with energy, determination, daring and drive. They are welcome to come and work for GIBSONS LIMITED>



I bet you are interested in the "fakes"

You could get away with paying them 50p an hour wages!

xxxx

....Arthur,
you almost said something

nice

about me!





Slainte
WhiskyBob

The government is spending hundreds of millions of pounds welcoming these "illegal" immigrants, about 90% of them are given British citizenship.

Why? Because someone smart in the civil service has worked out the figures (declining British birthrate, falling unemployment, declining inflation etc.), and realised that these immigrants are wonderful news for the country. WE NEED THEM!

Mock them all you want, but these immigrants will be nursing you when you are ill and employing you when you need work. In a decade from now, they will be standing for election.

Greater prosperity for the UK means an easing of the tax burden and a possibility that fuel tax CAN come down. I am all in favour of this, IF the country can afford it. So the "illegal" immigrants may help the cause.

Oh, and another thing ......... what colour are they? I am not being racist, but because they are all white, they will fit in better and not cause "racial" tension.

If these illegal immigrants can afford £20,000 each to come to the UK, they may arrive destitute and starving, but what happens when they get access to a telephone? They must have millions in foreign bank accounts, that can be transferred here.

Any money spent by the government welcoming them (swimming pools etc.), will soon be repaid tenfold.

Think about it.

Arthii, as you are no doubt fully aware, there is a longstanding tradition in the east for whole villages to pool their resources, and their future income, to enable them to send their most promising youngsters to the west for their education.

These should then be allowed to return home to repay this debt to their society, not encouraged to remain here for our own selfish reasons.

As you should also know, as you seem to have indicated that you have dealt with some of the probable perpetrators, the current traffic is not based on a communal pooling of resources, but on gangsterism and extortion.

As for the "migration" from the "west": this, by definition, cannot be of refugees.  What persecution were they fleeing from in France?  Or Italy?  Or Austria?

And why do they not go east to Turkey?  You might understand why the odd Serb might be reluctant.  But if they were refugees, you would have thought that this would have been the primary objective of the Albanians.

And if they have millions in the bank, then they must be the Albanian equivalent of Milosevic and his cronies.

Are these the ones you want us to do business with, along with the Chinese gangsters?

>As for the "migration" from the "west": this, by definition, cannot be of refugees. What persecution were they fleeing from in France? Or Italy? Or Austria?<

They are fleeing from the persecution of high income based taxation. They love the exceptionally low (and soon to be lower after the budget), income taxes in the UK and they consider the marginally higher rate of fuel duty to be a minor inconvenience.

The only way to stop highly gifted people from Western Europe coming here and boosting our economy, is to lower fuel tax and raise income taxation accordingly. This is what has been done in the countries that they are fleeing from and doing the same thing here would drive "Johny Foreigner" back across the channel.

Get my point?

Don't get mine?

Nice attempt at deflection from the point of my post though.

>What persecution were they fleeing from in France? Or Italy? Or Austria?<

I hadn't realised you'd genuinely mistakenly assumed I'd been referring to Austrian, Italian and French Albanians, rather than asking what the Albanian Albanians were refugees from.

PS and just what exactly IS the tax rate levied on Albanian and Turkish Millionaires?

Just what effect does this high income based tax have on Italian, Austrian and French Albanian welfare payments, or Swiss bank accounts.

And surely, you're implying that the consumption based taxes are too low in these high persecution countries.  Why isn't that attracting these Albanian millionaires with their offshore accounts, plus a few on welfare who just might find low purchase taxes attractive?

Could you please get a grip and coordinate your ramblings.

On the one hand our "perfectly adequate road system" is congested, and the environment is being destroyed by waggonloads of building materials to accomodate the indigenous population.

On the other the country is going to be saved by an influx of millions of refugees.

Or is that supposed to be more than balanced by an exodus of the poor car owners, to be replaced by an even poorer population of Albanians, lower caste Indians, and Chinese, who will be forced to bike or bus to the local sweatshop?

But then again, I suppose that will solve the problem of all those nasty, polluting, congesting HGV's hauling all those cheap Albanian, Indian and Chinese goods from the docks.

And they say that newLabour doesn't support bigBusiness.

If you are going to call yourself "Trollfinder General" and insult genuine writers on your own board as well, I am not going to read your posts and I can't reply to stuff that I have not read.

You think that I am "Trolling"? Well I can easily solve that problem for you. The debate with you is over, so far as I am concerned.

Sorry Arthii

At which point did you stop reading?

Was this the post you were answering:

Could you please get a grip and coordinate your ramblings.

On the one hand our "perfectly adequate road system" is congested, and the environment is being destroyed by waggonloads of building materials to accomodate the indigenous population.

On the other the country is going to be saved by an influx of millions of refugees.

Or is that supposed to be more than balanced by an exodus of the poor car owners, to be replaced by an even poorer population of Albanians, lower caste Indians, and Chinese, who will be forced to bike or bus to the local sweatshop?

But then again, I suppose that will solve the problem of all those nasty, polluting, congesting HGV's hauling all those cheap Albanian, Indian and Chinese goods from the docks.

And they say that newLabour doesn't support bigBusiness.

 

Or this:

Just what effect does this high income based tax have on Italian, Austrian and French Albanian welfare payments, or Swiss bank accounts.

And surely, you're implying that the consumption based taxes are too low in these high persecution countries.  Why isn't that attracting these Albanian millionaires with their offshore accounts, plus a few on welfare who just might find low purchase taxes attractive?

 

Or did you not even get as far as this:

I hadn't realised you'd genuinely mistakenly assumed I'd been referring to Austrian, Italian and French Albanians, rather than asking what the Albanian Albanians were refugees from.

PS and just what exactly IS the tax rate levied on Albanian and Turkish Millionaires?

 

Or was it still this one:

Don't get mine?

Nice attempt at deflection from the point of my post though.

 

Or perhaps this long and boring one:

Arthii, as you are no doubt fully aware, there is a longstanding tradition in the east for whole villages to pool their resources, and their future income, to enable them to send their most promising youngsters to the west for their education.

These should then be allowed to return home to repay this debt to their society, not encouraged to remain here for our own selfish reasons.

As you should also know, as you seem to have indicated that you have dealt with some of the probable perpetrators, the current traffic is not based on a communal pooling of resources, but on gangsterism and extortion.

As for the "migration" from the "west": this, by definition, cannot be of refugees.  What persecution were they fleeing from in France?  Or Italy?  Or Austria?

And why do they not go east to Turkey?  You might understand why the odd Serb might be reluctant.  But if they were refugees, you would have thought that this would have been the primary objective of the Albanians.

And if they have millions in the bank, then they must be the Albanian equivalent of Milosevic and his cronies.

Are these the ones you want us to do business with, along with the Chinese gangsters?

None of which you've answered, despite having "actively" responded.

But then again the 3iii definition of trolling is:

"occasionally pop up (usually to cause mischief) and then disappear ............... The people you are labelling "trolls" are actually amongst the most active contributors".

So that's all right then.

 

PS  I know you can't be bothered to read my posts, but when I say:

"You are welcome as a guest, and as long as you do not abuse that hospitality, your views and comments will be respected."

I don't expect definately-not-trolls to "counter" my arguments by implying that I support the maiming of children when I post a statement to the opposite intent, and back up my views with reasoning and statistics.