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Wow, Can't believe it - I came up with an idea for trek 11
by Benno
What's the run of Enterprise been? What's the story so far? Y'know, like how Ds9 was really dull and setting in all that bajoran crap... or how voyager was really dull, then they skipped ahead a few thousand light years and it started getting good... then they got on miss 6 of 9 boobie cyborg. Actually this kinda happened when Worf joined ds9.
Anyhoo... Trek 11. You bastards are gunna steal this if you see it - I know you are. Bastards. I remember my trek 10 idea where the romulans get the skematics of the enterprise and frame up a diplomatic stand off - See what happens when you flog shit.
I'm kidding, It was just a coinsidence.
Anyways, This story brings in 'Enterprise'. Shit eh! Told you you'd love it! Aparently the past isn't what it used to be. Because when The E-E went back to stop the borg, Ol Zefram Cockhead couldn't keep hs trap shut, and spoke of great ships in the future, and having seen the E-E both from his telescope, and while getting the send off, he was able to see their great design - hence, a change in the time line. What follows is a super advancement of Earth technology beyond what was originally constructed. They had the pans, because ZC had them - and told. Now, From the odd last couple films, the crew of the E-E are finding that all is not well with the timeline. Corruption, different accounts of histroical record.... thus, the history of 'Enterprise' ..... It just never happened that way!
So that's your story. They go back in time to observe. And there can be a war with the federation of the past and the future. Star trek: Time War.
I want royalties!
Posted on Oct 20, 2003, 3:00 AM from IP address 210.84.87.99
But... some1 hasn't been reading his Shatner I'm afraid. Some1 hasn't been following the adventures of the great Captain James Kirk inthe mirror universe - more particularly, some1 hasn't heard the Reeves-Garfield's, Imean Shatner's reasoning that the mirror universe was created when Zeprane Cochrum told everybody that in the future the Borg would come, not all at once, or I dunno - so Earth decided fuck history, we gotta prepare for that - and they turned Evil/.
But then maybe this idea is compatible with the mirror universe - and Enterprise is creating an evil ST. I'm sure many of yous would like that, like twisted spectres of the mirror world yourselves. But then you'd have to decide whether to accept Enterprise as mirror cannon, or as real-world spin-off. It's a tough call.
But thinking about the films and what they need to do - I think this ideas on the right lines - at least it's shaking things up. What the films need is wht the first films had - they should mean something; they should say something, something profound, intangible though it may be - they should be 'experiences', that tell you about life and how to live it... they should be more than just films! I mean, in recent times it's 1 film followed by another followed by another.... it wasn't called A Motion Picture now was it? - it was called *The** frickin Motion Picture. Accept no substitutes, called themselves, 'The Movie', or 'A film by ...' no it was all there, and it was more than celluloid, it looked at the vastness of space, and how humans could explore such a bewildering environment, and.. why!! Or TWOK - which manages to be so much more than the film itself - I honestly think that line of Kirk;s, 'You have to learn why things work' is 1 of the most useful lines in all of cinema.
One step in all thisis to bring in past films and events - like the Klingon in ST3 - comment on them in a way, acknowledge that what happened was more than film - yeas even Nemesis which I'm incredible dissapointed in I haven't even seen it recently. I mean, 2 opening scenes to set it up - 1 highly dramatic, then other light and comedic, getting aquainted with the crew, both totally bollocked up. But getting back to the idea, this does at least do this - the trouble with trek in condition it is how to incorporate the incorporatorable.
The answer to all our questions: 10 years.
Posted on Oct 22, 2003, 3:37 PM from IP address 80.225.5.236
I think I said ages ago that they should ditch the "Star Trek" banner in order to get in more fans. In comes Enterprise with no "Star Trek" in front of it.
(almost worth going through the archives for other ideas they've stolen. Almost)
But great idea! ::cough::
Now going back to the Great Unknown until the next time I pop by with random comments...
Posted on Oct 27, 2003, 5:21 AM from IP address 203.123.83.117
"Look, Uncle Rick," I say, "Queas has got ideas that would save a fleet of franchises. Brannon baby, keep your hands to yourself for a moment and pay attention!"
But do they listen? Do they show even the faintest flicker of interest? Evidently not.
Posted on Oct 29, 2003, 8:45 PM from IP address 203.41.111.5
I've never heard it direct from her lips, but our Captain Janeway (Kate Mulgrew) is very petite. I'd say she is no more than a size 6 (US size, approx size 8 in UK or Australia) or maybe smaller.
Posted on Oct 15, 2003, 7:06 PM from IP address 203.49.30.197
There's an episode of Voyager (Bride of Chaotica!) in which Capt'n Janeway must be outfitted as Queen Arachnia (BWAAHAAAA!!!)in order to get the holodeck working again.
She states her size to Tom Paris when finally convinced by her crew that her posing as Queen of the Spider People is the only way to save the ship.
Size Four I believe (but am not one hundred percent sure - easily verified with a trip to your local Blockbuster).
Posted on Oct 16, 2003, 4:11 PM from IP address 203.20.130.18
I was wondering if they would release any more of Star Trek series on DVD after DS9.I know Voyager and Enterprise is not near as popular or good as the other series,but I still would not mind having them on DVD.
Posted on Oct 13, 2003, 1:49 PM from IP address 208.40.139.146
Star Trek Voyager will be released on DVD sometime in 2004 - no exact dates have been announced yet. Enterprise will not be released on DVD until after Voyager, probably in 2005.
Posted on Oct 13, 2003, 4:25 PM from IP address 203.49.30.163
I was concerned that Star Trek's slump in ratings and interest might make Paramount reconsider future DVD releases.The DVD format will especially come in handy for freezing frames on Seven Of Nines gigantic ...uh...talents.
Posted on Oct 13, 2003, 7:35 PM from IP address 208.40.139.30
There was a time when the big man wouldn't show us a single frame of trek that wasn't kosher - after all we don' have Homer's altermate drafts of the Iliad do we? - there's no missing sheep shagging scene from the Gilgamesh legend - because these are works that transcend, that are greater than the act of being created - or something like that! I thought that was what Berman believed - that this was a sort of form of popular culture mythology, a modern day Biggles for out times - but noooo now every1 else is showing deleted scenes we must do what every1 else is doing, let's all bend over to the great god of entertainment.
Having said that I've seen 5 eps of season 2, and the first 4 were simply well made episodes of television, deleted scenes or no. The 4th was practically a classic. The 5th wasn't bad but - 'One night in sickbay' is its name - it was a bit dumb and pointless, and decided to make up for that by insulting my intelligence and turning T'pol into a sex object - when I'm perfectly able to do that myself thanks very much.
In summary, Berman's mistake is doing what every1 else is doing. Is he to be blamed for that? Yes. And for having no idea what to do with ST of course.
Posted on Oct 15, 2003, 3:36 PM from IP address 62.64.227.239
Even the Dead Wesley page - anything that is still missing will soon be restored (within reason - there are a few images and files that are permanently lost).
The "Back To the Dole Q" is back as are most of the "Riker Heaven" pages and the comparative box office details of the last few Trek films (now I'll have to add Nemesis in).
Posted on Sep 29, 2003, 11:20 PM from IP address 203.49.30.201
Kinda hoped some1 would've helped distract a little attention from the boy with breasts post. Anyhoo
Does it seem to any1 else that the reason for the new Planet Riker forum is solely to generate interest in this place?- after all the only link I'm aware of is insome pokey corner that no1s ever going to find, not if they really didn't want to. I'm right aren't I Plannie..
(And with that in mind, I'm sure things will pick up soon.)
Posted on Sep 28, 2003, 4:09 PM from IP address 62.64.207.5
What do you mean these guys decided to grow a conscience? It's not so unlikely that they felt an ethical obligation not to contaminate an environment that has been untouched by us humans for - ever. Of course, otoh, maybe they thought that these earth microbes might spread and be found on a later mission, putting back scientific understanding at least, oh 5 years - maybe they're only thought was for scientific method, and rational truth, out there in the darkness where neither exists.... or maybe they just didn't want to make extra work for themselves.
But seriously, this might be a little abstract, but think of the ethical implications of humans sending out a probe which microbes were then to kill off the basic life that had managed to cling on in Europa. and we would never ever know.....
Posted on Sep 23, 2003, 2:44 AM from IP address 62.64.222.115
I totally agree with everything you just said, and everything they said.... but ...... I just can't believe these guys grew a conscience. (spelled it right this time hee hee)
Posted on Sep 25, 2003, 1:12 AM from IP address 63.60.210.177
"Star Trek's" new moral frontier
UPN's "Enterprise," back for its third season, has saved the Trek franchise with messy, moving and ambiguous story lines torn from the 21st century.
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By Sumana Harihareswara
Sept. 10, 2003 | "Star Trek" fans will have a new reason to sigh in relief on Wednesday night as "Enterprise" <http://www.upn.com/shows/enterprise/>; returns for its third season, ready to prove all over again that it is not "Star Trek: Voyager." The fourth Trek series, which ended in 2001, was a tired debacle in my eyes, and those of most "Star Trek" fans. Its creators seemed to think they could re-create the magic of "Next Generation" or the mood of "Deep Space Nine" by reusing their stories and adding gimmickry and Big Bangs.
"Enterprise" doesn't have a gimmick. It has a premise, an interesting question to answer: How did humanity go from the bottom to the top of the galactic totem pole? What happened between the era of "Enterprise," in the 22nd century, and the time of the original 1960s "Star Trek" series, <http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/index.html>; featuring Kirk and Spock, some 115 years later? Why and how did humans rise to equal status with other spacefaring species?
"Enterprise" follows the best Trek tradition in making the era seem fresh and undetermined and arresting, even though we know how things will turn out. Or do we? The uncertainty of these eager and fragile characters matches the uncertainty of our times here on 21st-century Earth, and the writers play with time to enhance that uncertainty. "Enterprise's" setting both in the "Star Trek" chronology and in our real time forces it to meditate on what might be, and on the dirty tricks people of all species will play to affect that future.
To recap: The Vulcans, a frowning and logical race (think Spock, only more tight-assed), made the first alien contact with Earth in 2063. Ever since, they've been holding Earth's hand and keeping the training wheels on humanity's ventures into deep space. Capt. Jonathan Archer (Scott Bakula) and his crew explore, are nearly destroyed by forces they don't understand, meet new races, and generally try to prove the Vulcans wrong. As in other "Star Trek" series, the ideas are the meat of the thing, with a salad of special effects ... and a dessert of cheesecake.
Yes, I would be remiss in not mentioning the babe factor in "Enterprise." The creators seem to believe that the flesh of Jolene Blalock (who plays Vulcan science officer T'Pol) is as hot as the stars that the Enterprise passes, and should show up as often. In every other episode she bares various parts of her body in plot twists that would hardly please the logical Vulcan mind. In the T&A tradition of modern Trek, she is the skin equivalent of Jeri Ryan from "Voyager" and Marina Sirtis on "Next Generation." The season premiere goes so far as to show her in a cleavage-revealing uniform. Linguist Hoshi Sato (Linda Park) has only removed her shirt once that I can recall, and that was by accident. Yes, they are the only females on the bridge of the Enterprise. To be fair, we see some of the males partially disrobed as well, but they don't make it into the trailers.
The other structural flaw: the theme music. Against all Trek tradition, the theme music to "Enterprise" contains lyrics. Lyrics about the unbreakability of the singer's soul, and about faith of the heart. I would prefer "I'll Be There for You" from "Friends" to this. Welcome rumors are afloat that the third season will see a change in the opening score, and my screener copy of the season premiere strengthened those rumors by omitting audio over the lovely opening montage of naval and aeronautical history.
My other complaints are of the "This episode wasn't as great as it could have been" variety. The first two seasons of "Enterprise" have seen fewer ghastly missteps than we saw in the first two seasons of "Next Generation" or "Deep Space Nine." Sure, the captain and doctor withheld a cure from a disease-ravaged race and committed passive genocide for wholly spurious reasons, and T'Pol embarrassed herself and us while in pon farr, the Vulcan mating cycle. But these isolated low points can't mar this show's accomplishment: After hundreds of hours of Trek movies and TV episodes, "Enterprise" is making the franchise new again, creating fresh stories and possibilities.
The young crew of "Enterprise" is trying to make sense of when and how to intervene in other societies. There is no pat-and-easy Prime Directive of noninterference yet; these episodes will form the basis cases for later policies. Like a relatively young United States, the human race sticks its collective nose into forces and peoples it doesn't understand, while the Vulcans are the cautioning mentors who have been around the block a few times, calling to mind Old Europe. Several episodes have developed this theme in different directions, and only some episodes feature direct references to the present day. But almost all of them tacitly reference 21st-century political problems.
The Cabal, a faction of the Suliban race, is attacking humans (among others) because its future-seeing master tells them to. Among other ramifications, we see peaceful Suliban citizens rounded up and placed in internment camps, oppressing and radicalizing them, yet perhaps protecting them from the bigoted populace. The Enterprise liberates one such camp, but it can't liberate them all, and we end the episode musing over the escapees' fate.
The Xindi, another mysterious alien race, has sent a weapon to Earth and massacred millions of humans, because they have heard (from the same future-seeing master, or someone like him) that humans will destroy the Xindi home world in 400 years. We are shocked, we are heartbroken, we want revenge. But we don't even know where the Xindi live, much less how powerful they are.
This latter episode, the second season finale, strongly referred to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "Enterprise" premiered just a few weeks after those attacks, and the story acknowledged, and responded to, that involuntary setting. The Trek framework is well adapted to telling this story of an allegorical war on terror; one episode can cover a day or many months, as developments hasten and slow.
Like "Deep Space Nine," "Enterprise" entices us into caring about its characters, then forces you to watch them doing the dirty work of the state-security apparatus. In the season premiere, we see Archer bribing a sleazy mining official for an interview with his Xindi employee. Far from home and out of its depth, the crew is bound to experience some blowback, as it indeed does here. I want to see more of this. I want to see "Enterprise" compensate for drawing the analogy between 9/11 and this ahistorical, unpreventable alien massacre. "Enterprise" can redeem itself by emphasizing that our incidents and relationships with other races have ramifications, that there are other fish in the pond.
When chief engineer Tucker finds out that his sister has been killed in the Xindi attack, he refuses to hold a special service for her, arguing that the size of the slaughter takes precedence over one person's memory. And then he begs the captain for the chance to take revenge on the mass murderers: "And tell me we won't be tiptoeing around -- none of that noninterference crap T'Pol's always shoving down our throats."
This is why the moral dilemmas of "Enterprise," from now forward, will feel real and messy and moving: Earth has an interest. Capt. Picard of "Next Generation" sometimes struggled over playing God, sure, but usually human lives weren't at stake. Are torture scenarios next, as in Fox's contemporary terrorism drama "24" </ent/tv/review/2003/05/21/24_final/>? How far will Archer go to avenge and protect human lives? "Enterprise's" new, darker and denser story arc holds a promise even more alluring than Jolene Blalock's bum.
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btw you should go see 13, it's a really good film.
Posted on Sep 16, 2003, 2:33 PM from IP address 62.64.214.231
They have a Reason to sigh alright but not in relief. What ideas? How to out flank your enemies in a Phaser battle? Fewer Missteps? What? Like what? It wasnt that the first two series of Next Gen or DS9 were Bad. They were just Different. You know "Experimenting" The fact that Many of the Best episodes up until that time were in season three doesnt mean that its valid to Plagiarise concepts from that series for all later series like they appear to be doing now. It is not enough that a series is new. It must also be good.
Quease will do. I just saw Pirates of the Caribean.. its not as good as you may have heard.
Posted on Sep 17, 2003, 3:04 AM from IP address 63.34.208.116
I know, usually I'm the embodiment of prevailing forum opinion - and after a few viewings I have to say Nemesis is a great... disapointment - but Enterprise may have a fancyarse ship and some recycled plots, but it also has proper characters again, a grounding in some sort of reality, and a bit of relevance. Shockwave was on last week and while it was in some respects a typical Voyager second parter, there was also the future library, the communications - reminded me a little of Shatner actually -
fuck it, I don't even know what I'm arguing for - the direction and feel is still completely moribund and the analogising and contemporisory insights seem to go round in circles, but it's better than Voyager! And it's got great potential!
Posted on Sep 21, 2003, 9:51 AM from IP address 62.64.227.220
...to be temporally INCURSED! What is WRONG with these people?!!!
Look, I can understand the Vulcans being concerned with Human affairs, but holding them back? Illogical!
I can understand Archer being a little ticked because his dad got continually screwed on the Warp 5 project - but lashing out at every species he comes across like some fire-and-brimstone preacher?
Enterprise can't forge any new territory. The story of the era is known to us Trek fans quite well: They had a war with the Romulans! And out of the military alliance the Humans formed for that war sprang the Federation.
All this Temporal Cold War, Xindi, whatever nonsense is complete bull. And its very prescence suggests that what is happening in Enterprise is happening outside the normal Star Trek timeline. Which brings me once again to the point that they're gonna temporally incurse the whole damn thing when it's done, a long drawn out story, but in the end, POINTLESS!
Gaah! It makes be want to puke!
The characters are decent. Maybe. But they aren't being used for Star Trek. They're doing something else.
Posted on Sep 21, 2003, 8:46 PM from IP address 134.129.151.125
When I first read the character breakdown before casting, I saw some great potential..... but they're all around the same age and the same look.... and Bakula - sheeeeeeeze!
What's the southern dude. I envisioned an old guy, with leathery skin and a body build like a brick shit house.
And the Vulcan. Someone said she's not sexy, she looks like a boy with breasts. I'm forced to agree.
I have to go
Posted on Sep 23, 2003, 2:17 AM from IP address 210.84.87.93
No of course I wouldn't - because I have respect - see, a proper character! in fact some of the best moments on Enterprise for me are when T'Pol is in command of the ship - hot damn!!
Archer though doesn't quite measure up. But if they make him lash out in season 3, make him more falible and human - hey, that's what we all wanted wasn't it?
As for the old ppl, yeah, I wanted more old ppl - Vulcan years don't count. But 1 of the good momnets in Nemesis was with that old guy and the woman with the old woman perm at the back of the bridge, probably working together using their old ppl methods, finding old ppl solutions to age old problems masquarading as new and inpenetrable. That was 1 of the good moments - and there was the bit where Picard talks to the rest of the ship and you can hear the echo. But these should've been the sugar coating, rather than the prize itself, yeah?
Posted on Sep 23, 2003, 2:57 AM from IP address 62.64.222.115
I see you read the same pages with links that i do. Still, that'll learn him. Actually I don't know what they hope to achieve. you can buy a bong in any tabbaconist
Posted on Sep 15, 2003, 5:27 AM from IP address 63.60.210.40
Maybe they want to prevent a new movie... Anyway.. From Chud News
9.15.03
By Devin Faraci
Contributing sources: Hollywood Reporter
While the WB continues to teenerate historical and comic book figures (see that story HERE), sibling company New Line has decided to be even bolder and teenyboperize the Greek Gods themselves.
Titans tells the story of the Greek Gods back when they were still mortal teens, coming to grips with their powers and destinies. Zeus, Hera, Hades and Poseidon are the main characters, and they have to accept their status as Gods (what a hassle that must be) because the Titans – including Kronos and Lucifer (this is giving me a headache now) – are pillaging the world.
Please note that nowhere in ancient mythology were the Gods punky kids (possibly with a hot alternative soundtrack). Even the Greeks, a people who thought men fucking boys wasn’t that bad an idea, never stooped to that kind of pandering.
By the way, Titans is being made by Horseshoe Bay Productions, run by none other than Daredevil offender Mark Steven Johnson. No word on whether he will be directing this after he ruins Ghost Rider and totally screws up Elektra, but it is known that Michael France, who wrote an early, possibly good but we’ll never know because the finished movie was garbage, draft of the Hulk is writing.
A bong is a lovely little ornament that sits on the coffee table.... that gets swiftly put under the couch when guests unexpectedly pop in. Also known as a Billy. Hee hee. Or, if it's mine, it's known as Bently. Or rather was. I leant it to some punks in the park and the bastards broke it....
All I heard was [Smash]'oh no... what did you do... he's going to kill you...' Then they all pleaded ignorant like they had no idea.
Fuckin' stoners.
Posted on Sep 18, 2003, 2:10 AM from IP address 210.84.80.225
Flattery is just one of the things I'm good at