You know it can be frustraiting watching the war and being pretty much powerless. I've been thinking about what We can do as individuals to change the world and I'm not talking about Marching. It's important but We can do so much more. are you listening? WE CAN END THE WAR RIGHT NOW IF WE.......................... assasinatE George Bush. You might think it takes more than a presidential assassination to stop a War or topple a Government
but take heart. this is the same logic the Bush Administration uses with Iraq.
If theres a border you are not supposed to cross with this talkback thingemajigg I think this is probably it.... I should probably add that I do not advocate killing george W Bush because of this post. you'll get me into trouble....
Post under for your top ten politicians who should be Assassinated. I'll get you started.
Heres a suggestion
1. GEorge bush
PPS... Human Life is Sacred. dont kill any one because of this post. Your personal business is your personal business though....
Posted on Apr 6, 2003, 11:06 AM from IP address 63.12.14.242
While some might find your ideas controversial I think they are fairly close to the mark. My associates and I are busy at work on this very issue. will keep you posted.
Posted on Apr 6, 2003, 11:27 AM from IP address 63.12.14.242
I don't advocate killing anyone... certainly not Georgy boy. I mean the man may be sending us all to a very nasty end, but I've never seen the man as anything more thana puppet for hidden powers. But that said, as president he shouldn't be killed, he should just be sacked.
But while watching the moon landing fakery the other night one thing really became clear to me... Donald Rumsfeld had bas been working in the white house as an advisor since Nixon... surely this man actually has more power than the president, and if he doesn't it sure as hell looks like he has a better job.
This then leads me to the discussion of how these men are arguing Saddam should be ousted bcause they are not democratic and that they are a family mafia... Well shit, from the looks of it There's been a bush in power since regan, and rumsfeld there before that... this just makes me think that the Free vote of the people is all a sham.
Oh well, who am I to argue?
Actually, saw a funny billboard in the city. 'No war for oil... don't believe the bushit" I thought it was a typo!
Posted on Apr 6, 2003, 4:30 PM from IP address 63.12.130.187
You know you should always look at peoples I.P address. It's mildly illegal to incite people to kill the president. I think it's about a $5000 fine. Has anyone read Downsize this by Michael Moore? Clinton had death threats broadcasted, actually inciting people to kill him and absolutely nothing was done. Things are different now I suspect If only because there is a Republican in the Whitehouse. Anyway the whole thing.... There are lines you cant cross without presuming you're under surveillance weather your in the Mainstream or Internet Media or within earshot of some racist who wants to turn you into the FBI or Asio. I think people are Paranoid (Yes this means you Benno). The powers that be know that everybody talks about getting rid of certain world leaders, and they know its idle bullshit. So we're under surveillance. Who the hell cares?
Posted on Apr 8, 2003, 7:05 AM from IP address 63.12.14.55
watch the cutting edge in Australia SBS on tuesday. The American and Russian governments acknowledge the Moonlanding was a hoax. COntains interviews with many involved who were politicians at the time. This doesnt look like that rubbish documenary that was recently on channel ten. it looks fairly polished.
Gee I wonder if the April 1st Air Date is significant.
If this thing is believed it will make people realise how stupid they are. Maybe they'll stop watching CNN.
Posted on Mar 30, 2003, 9:44 AM from IP address 63.12.14.198
Very old news.... but a good programe non the less
by Benno
I have the special order DVD that shows actual unedited footage proving the faking. Magnificent stuff. America seems to be a culture built on Bullshit. But maybe that's too harsh. The place itself is just one big hollywood movie.
Posted on Apr 1, 2003, 5:41 PM from IP address 63.60.210.218
The April 1st date is significant because it is April fools day. I probabbly didnt make it clear that I dont actually think the moonlanding is a hoax. if if the doc was done realistically (which it wasnt) people would probably report to talkback radio, at some point they'd find out the thing was an april fools hoax and maybe they'd never express their opinion in public again. This could only be a good thing. I've watched a few enterprizes. How can you have a science fiction show that isnt about anything?
If you havent allready, I suggest you watch the office.
Posted on Apr 3, 2003, 8:46 PM from IP address 63.12.15.179
Enterprise is more than a show about nothing - it's a show about stuff that's never going to matter anyway. But isn't that in itself something?
Benno, I think you should cut your losses on this one - how about starting your own theory, its proably much more fun.
Posted on Apr 4, 2003, 11:21 PM from IP address 62.64.209.87
Did you watch all the way to thru the end credits????
A hoax of a hoax!!! What fun!!!
There was a rather magnificent essay posted on here some time ago on the so called "hoax".
And to all you pimply faced geeks out there who think they know fucking everything about whats going on out there (reptile control? Secret Societies? - what a fucking joke!)I say get yourself a fucking life. People love to simplify a debate. Polls like to polarise a question. But there is no right and wrong in the world, just shades of grey. To all you cowards out there who submit banal pieces and quote trash you do so without acknowledging one simple fact. YOU DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH - at least the whole truth - about what's going on in Iraq and in the cabinet rooms of a myriad of countries around the world. You are naieve and ill-educated.
My contribution to a solution is based on my belief that the world cannot exist peacefully when democracies live alongside autocracies. The accountability of the former to its people puts them at a major disadvantage when the latter can do as it pleases. In the current case nobody is holding Saddam accountable, yet Western pollies are the ones who are doing wrong and may lose their jobs! As one who values democracy, I say we rid the world of Saddam, as quickly and cleanly as possible.
Posted on Apr 1, 2003, 6:19 PM from IP address 152.91.9.49
before this programe the moon landing was a hoax... and after this programe I'm still thinking the moon landing was a hoax. Goofy end credits or none. The evidence is undeniable.
Posted on Apr 2, 2003, 6:29 AM from IP address 210.84.87.16
What evidence? That stupid flag?
It had a rod in it for christ sake. and that little shaking bit? ;Solar flares? dust? You dont need wind to blow a flag around.
Another so called bit of evidence is that shadows are cast in different directions. There were many light sources including the ship. It was a propaganda piece so they needed good lighting.
The main reason The moonlanding was not a hoax?
The U.S.S.R would never be complicit in an American conspiracy of such magnitude.
Whi is the hoax line championed by Religious fanatics?
Posted on Apr 3, 2003, 9:04 PM from IP address 63.12.15.179
Hey that Fox Doc is on again. Do you think the Republicans are pushing this thing to justify a cut in NASas budget? I don't either.
Someone came to the door today and asked if I walk with Jesus. I said I'd never thought of it that way so I agreed to go along to church. If you're interested you can purchase the bible at all good Bookstores or you can borrow it for free from the Library. On another note I agree with Curio. Arabs cant seem to find democracy on their own or if they do they vote for Liberals. We cant have them undermining our freedoms by nationalising great portions of their economy and we cant have dictatorships. It is our duty to give them our freedom. We are proud to live under George W. ISnt this good enough for them? We're offering our democracy for free.
Posted on Apr 5, 2003, 1:26 AM from IP address 63.12.14.171
I agree we must kill the Arabs and take their oil. They'd only set it on fire anyway. Give it to Isreal. They dont have any. I have been reading about the second coming but first the world has to end. Does anoyone have anyideas of how to accomplish this with about 10000
Posted on Apr 5, 2003, 1:40 AM from IP address 63.12.14.171
There's never any1 in chat. It's such a shame really.
I feel that some1 should say something about the war but I guess every1 at the moment has decided to silently contemplate all these weighty issues - no1 really knows what's going on do they?
Posted on Mar 26, 2003, 5:23 AM from IP address 62.64.224.155
Well, I could talk war longer then the actual thing takes place... I could go back to the amazingly informed David icke who said of Geroge Bush Jr. trying to get in as president: Don't be surprised if this man gets in even if he looses the vote, and then don't be surprised if you see events unfold which lead us to the third world war. The ultimate goal of these men is a culling of the population, and a one world government which will see them as the ultimate leaders.
Well... September 11 was the defining moment which made me start to think more seriously on his other talks on aliens controlling the human race.
I'm somewhat discusted by all of this. Mostly that while America was starting up it's propaganda to try and get this war going.... the only men on it were Bush and blair. Bush will have you believe the American people are behind him all the way... the thinking person will understand that the reason this war took so long to get going was that there was so much opposition to his ideals. Meanwhile, as the whole world joins together to protest the world, Australia is there watching events unfold with the thought, what the fuck is going on with these crazy people.... there goes out head honcho HoWARd 'Yeah bush, we're all with you." Well, the australian people just kinda stepped back, forming this big circle around then man and collectively yelled "What?"
Right now, We have protests tuning violent, Media in Iraq pointing out that this is a messy war and the troops morale is right down, and the arab world calling for the burning of America.... All the while with the Leaders of the FREE world claiming that all is going well, Saddam will be gone soon, and that they will bring peace and democracy to everyone.
Fair go twangers. Peace and democracy are the last things this world farewelled 2 years ago when all this bullshit began.
I find it somewhat funny watching Rumsfeld calling foul because american troops have been captured by the 'Enemy'. This from the instigator of an agressive invasion and the man who gives the orders over the treatment of thousands of captured afgany - tied up and starved and subjected to 'human' torture.
As for America talking of legal requirements of other governments, the fucking nerve!
But I'm now spent of what to talk about. I think this is the hope of the americans, that the world will get so confused over everything. I mean, I follow the news everyday, from lots of sources and even I'm starting to loose my mind on coherancy.
But enough from me, what do you think.
Posted on Mar 28, 2003, 12:55 AM from IP address 63.60.210.52
Politics everywhere is just the same. Morons come up with indefensible policies, dend them with illogic, and manage to gain a scant majority of voters in their constituency. And don't forget about the corruption. There's always money in it.
This, of course, describes Bush's War, with the kickbacks naturally flowing in the form of black gold stock...
But in Minot, North Dakota, public tax dollars are wasted buying buildings for companies that will pay slave wages to workers -- and of course kickbacks to the mayor through interest buy-downs that go straight into his bank's pockets.
Damned Politicians.
Damned Republicans.
Posted on Mar 28, 2003, 10:44 PM from IP address 216.221.104.138
What I've become aware of in the conflict, as if we didn't know already, is how difficult is it to get the truth. Now, I know all the cliches - truth is the first casualty etc - but this is more - its about contending with the sheer complexity of all this, and and of the whole world for that matter - because when there's such incohenrency, settling for the truth is likely to be about simply burying your head in the sand.
The problem I think we face, in this globalised, anti-personnal world, is to not fall prey to apathy, because a bunch of disinterested, ______ is what the system as it is wants us to be - not the politicans themselves I think, who are part of all this with the rest of us./
But the alternative is uncertain - because nothing is. But those that are so blessed with conviction and certainty are the ones that get things done - so all the rest of us can do is ..to trya dn understand>? (bit of a cop out)
In a way, we see that with this war - and how we react to it - do we watch all the coverage, which quickly becomes slightly ghoulish - or else turn off all the media sources and settle for ingnorance.
Personally I blame the Austrailians - their relaxed manner and carefree attitude has plunged this planet into a conflict that threatens to destroy us all.
Posted on Mar 29, 2003, 1:10 AM from IP address 62.64.218.26
There was a news story after the bali bombing that a Muslim fundamentalist wanted to create a Muslim state within Australia. Australians went crazy. Its interesting to note that this is pretty much the dilema that Iraq is in with the Kurds who want their own state in Iraq, Turkey, Syria. In the Iran/ Iraq war the Iraqi Kurds sided with Iran. This is Treason. the Kurds are the Iraqi citizens that Sadam is guilty of using chemical weapons on. In America the kurds would get the death penalty. Given the circumstances couldn't Saddam have been justified in taking these measures? Please correct me if you see a flaw in my reasoning.
Posted on Mar 30, 2003, 9:22 AM from IP address 63.12.14.198
Someone will use a nuclear bomb. Whether it's north korea under threat from America to disarm, but they said in a recent statement that they will not disarm and face the same miserable fate as iraq, or whether it's America dropping one on North Korea and blaming it on one of theirs going off... but then, so many nuclear countries are under threat from bush right now... it'll only take 1 to go off in the US for an enormous retaliation with out any thought.
Hell, even the us might get bored with iraq because they can't hold down the country after all. They can't even hold the cities they've already taken, They know they can't take Baghdad without huge losses.
In anycase, something big is gunna happen very soon.
In the meantime, Here's some snaps of the iraqi's cheering their liberation
The above links to the best thing I've read on the web ever...
Like Oliver Stones JFK it reminds us of disturbing facts and expands on them with likely possibilities...
It strikes me that that site and others like it employ the same sort of methods that we've been having from the Bush administration - if one approach doesn't work then you move onto another, and if that doesn't work, move on to the next. And essentially it comes down to piling in one dubious arguement after another, and relying on the sheer volume of arguements in order to convince - clouding your audiences minds with spurious detail,
confusing your audience into reaching the 'truth'. In fact this ghost rider site makes a point of it - it's the whole basis of their arguement.
Well we all do it I suppose, so who can complain? And at the same time it's quite easy to build a sort of coherent reality around what we want to belive in - it's almost second nature to us.
And so we get to the War. Does any1 want to follow that 1 up? Don't tell me you've lost interest already?
Posted on Mar 20, 2003, 2:53 AM from IP address 62.64.221.124
... This episode actually aired in australia right after 911. I'd already seen it, but it didn't hit me as hard as it did until after the events of the towers coming down.
Infact, it was that episode which started me down the path of finding all I could about Bush and his cronies. It lead me to several different sites which, others tell me not to listen to, but I often find they just don't know what their talking about. It's so easy to say things are a conspiracy theory and then the conversation is voided.
At first it was conspiracy theory, yes. but now...... When I read information and news that the main stream wont report, and then when the main stream does report on something and I can backtrack it to the information I recieved weeks before, then I find that I'm not being mislead, well, not by these conspiracy sites anyway.
Truth is, Terrorists and attacks on civilized populations are the greatest things that the big governments could ever wish for. It gives them so much power against their citizens - I'm not going to make the accusation that the governments have something to do with the attacks in the first place, but we can make the assumption.
Look at it this way, We're told to fear alquada, that alquada is going to attack, that alquada this alquada that, we can't stop alquada until we massacre Iraqis, and all that - but I ask, who is alquada?
I'm lead into all kinds of confusion when I see things like - these people did bali - then america says alquada did bali. Of course, no one knows where alquada is - but asmerica then says in their news 'alquada didn't mean to kill so many australians, they were actually trying to kill americans, they are sorry'.............. Bullshit!
Now I see Alquada saying that they can still operate even though their top man has been captured - that's great for the 7 year olds... and plebs who may have taken some comfort in the news of mahumad al hussain doofus's capture..... where is the sourse of this information - where is it coming from? People HAVE to ask these questions.
As a side note, anyone else catch that report in the daily mirror where the reporter hired a helicopter and hovered over londond parliment for about 10 minutes... and no interception was made. Pretty funny when the shams of goverment security are exposed - You know, by the bush and blair timetable, we should have been at war by now.... guess the antiwar movement is working after all.
Posted on Mar 9, 2003, 1:15 AM from IP address 210.84.80.225
But when the answers seem so readily available and, well, simple, I think you have to think again. The answers aren't always so straightorward, and you can't put blind trust into some web site that firmly believes conspiracy at all costs just as you can't unthinkingly aquiesce with TPTB./
Try Michael Moores's 'Stupid White Men' which at least gives you facts that you can actually reference, and then quote at your leisure. Thing is, othewise it just beomes about the 'conspiricy' ... and when you have a few nuts driving aobut in a camper van trying to find the truth, well if you were on the other side of that wouldn't you have a bit of fun? feed them scraps - accidently on purpose let slip that aliens intend to harvest our bodies for the vitamins next tuesday.
Not that those that generally hold power aren't scum - well at least certain types - those that assume power to be their right, and assume others to be power'less'. Some ppl want power at any cost, I'm sure that's true - and my feeling with the Iraq war is that this might be some extention of that - but I'm also pretty sure that power tends to dull the senses, and that these guys aren't ciminal masterminds, but really rather dim. We just live in a world where power isn't always given to the worthy - well it;s never given period, it has to be taken, and therin lies the problem my friend.
I hope that finishes this off well enough - I've been scratching my head how to end this. So in conclusion - conspiriacies exist, but mainly for pretty stupid and obvious reasons.
Posted on Mar 14, 2003, 1:45 AM from IP address 62.64.215.62
Does anyone else think that the Nemesis plot was too linear? I'm a HUGE Star Trek fan, and I was really looking forward to this movie. There were a few things that irked me.
1. When Picard kills Shinzon, why is he (Picard) motionless? If he was physically injured, I must have missed that. Was Picard injured?
2. I thought the music could have been more emotional, particularly around Data's death. I recommend listening to the ST2 soundtrack to get what I mean.
3. Picard driving the Argo at an unsafe velocity out of the shuttle. Picard is a cerebral man. I thought this was out of character -- particularly for a movie centred around comparing Picard's character with Shinzon's.
4. The movie was like ST2 with everything but the battle in the Mutara nebula cut out.
5. Some of the shots of the computer screens were at really weird angles and made display hard to read. This was only a minor irk though.
(To another poster, I too felt like squinting during the desert planet scene).
So how much money did ST10 make worldwide? Better or worse than insurrection? What is uncle Rick saying?
I should probably say something good about the movie. The special effects were good. My favourite was the Enterprise flying around getting hit on the saucer and seeing shots 'splashing' on the shields.
I was going to see this movie twice, but I didn't. Movie-like special effects, episode-like plot. I enjoy episodic movies better on TV (like ST9).
I heard rumours that John Logan is working on Star Trek XI. Is this true? I hope he is not a secret agent whose objective is to bring down ST.
Posted on Feb 27, 2003, 8:55 AM from IP address 130.102.5.63
I can't see Logan doing XI. It was suppsed to be this idea he wanted to incorporate into Nemesis but could'nt fit in, which in itself isnt a good sign. - a bit like Stewart's idea for X to be a sequal to Insurrection. An Action-adventure political thriller as I recall.
What's the music like when Data dies then? Anyway do you really want the weepy strings coming in? Save it for Picard's send off in the next film. They could bring together DS9 and NG on the big screen - and you'd be onto a winner - it could be so big, you just need some1 with the balls to do it.
How's this for an idea - introduce this mysterious alien species into season 3 of Enterprise, a species with some role to play in the formation of the Federation. And then use them in trek XI - as the Federation hangs in the balance. Create a new Federation - start from scratch, bring in a new producer, the possibilities are endless!
btw how do you pronounce your name?
Posted on Feb 28, 2003, 9:02 AM from IP address 62.64.228.89
There was no music when Data died. In fact, there wasn't any theme which could be associated with the focal points of the movie. I find this very important to have in a movie. Think of when Spock died and cut out the soundtrack, or when the Enterprise-D crashed, or Z. Cochrane's shuttle almost got blown up by q. torpedos.
Your idea about an alien species sounds interesting, but B&B won't be able to pull it off. I reckon bring Q to the silver screen with TNG and have a sci-fi adventure like ST:TMP. I reckon if that was done right, it could be really good. They could maybe "explore the possibilities of existance". Here's my plot for a movie: Maybe the Enterprise enters a rift and gets blown up by an attacking vessel at the same time, and the rift has the property that only thoughts survive. The crew would exist as thoughts alone, but to them, they don't notice the ship has blown up, but they start noticing really weird things, like what they dream is correlated with reality. I'd have, say, LaForge going to bed thinking about a problem with the engines, and in the dream he goes to engineering to fix it. The next day, he finds to his surprise that everyone else reports that he was in engineering that night fixing the engines! But there would be a twist, like say for LaForge, half the ship wouldn't be there, and he'd see the warp core and surrounding controls and crew against the backdrop of outer space. To the rest of the crew, everything is normal.
Different members of the crew have different things they desire, and slowly the common perception of what is reality for each person drifts apart. The movie would be about the crew recognising slight differences in what they see and they slowly work out their situation. I'd involve Q somehow in helping them get out of the rift. He could be having some of those deep and meaninful conversations with Picard. Think of the possibilities! The plot could be very deep, and the dream sequences could have nifty special effects. All the cast members could have substantial roles. Troi could have fun with this stuff. The ultimate challenge would be for the crew to organise their thoughts collectively so they can fly their mental image of the Enterprise back into normal reality (remember it was destroyed in the beginning). I know there are plot holes, but this is just a rough opinion. I'd call the movie "ST: Fractured Reality", or something. Of course, I'd have to be in charge. This plot could get really screwed up and done horribly in ways one cannot possibly imagine.
Alternatively, Berman could satisfy his fetish and make a musical. Everyone would sing their dialog throughout the movie. Picard would also sing lounge music. In fact, they could make a lounge song with the "space, the final frontier, these are the bla bla bla" in it for the opening credits. Picard could say moronic things like "Oh yeah, baby" or "this one's straight from the heart!" during the song. For this plot, I would name the movie "Star Trek: Total Loss".
BTW the "C" is for "Courtney". Easier to pronounce? Also, your name sounds a lot like another name that's familiar from ST.
Regards,
CJM
Posted on Feb 28, 2003, 9:43 AM from IP address 202.47.56.17
But I think Next generation has had it's chance. It needs to move over and let Deep space nine have it's go.
Several factors will make my point. Next generation was slipping in season 7. it was always a fact that they were going to be making films. That was really their drop in the arse. They were so eager to get the next generation on the big screen and somehow incorporate the old crew, no one bothered to ask if this would actually make a good film.
FC was a fluke in my oppinion. They had a really crap story to begin with. They were going to set it in the renaisaance with leonardo devinci for fuggs sake!! - it wasn't until a last minute decision to make it Zeframe cocrane first warp flight that everything fell into place.
I think that last minute decision is what was soreles needed for Insurrection and Nemesis. Berman just feels all star trek movies need to be a nasty villain and a big space battle.... beacue it worked wonders for Trek 2. But what he doesn't relise is that the original films worked so well together (trek 5 included) because the stories were set apart and had different levels and degrees to each film.
So often I'm watching these next gen films looking at the actors, thinking 'They're not interested in this - they just like being in a movie". I swear I can see Patrick steward glance at the camer and smirk in Nemesis.
Now DS9. This show was class. Absolute, unadulterated, Star Trek. I did find the last few episodes somewhat of a rush job look, but ultimately it succeeded. And was very sad to see it go.
Further more it ended. The story was complete. The curtain was drawn. Now, some 5 years later I think it's time to put into works a story hat bring the DS9 crew back together. A fresh new start that opens the door for a series of Star Trek films like no other. The re-awakening of the Dominion? A Space station guarding the doorway to a dangerous section of the galaxy. Even the fall of the federation. DS9 had balls. It should return the way TOS returned.
To hell with Voyager and Enterprise. These shows are just Next Generation wannabes.... and I'm sorry to say - The next generation movies are now just Next generation wannabes.
Bahumbug
Posted on Mar 2, 2003, 5:52 PM from IP address 210.84.85.109
First though I think I sohuld say I liked your story v much Mrcjm - it's a bit unusual actually , normally those new to this place manage to string things out a lot longer - it reminded me of some NG eps, those that played with reality so effectively that you wondered quite how they managed to pull it off - it could play like "Remember me", 1 of those, but with a more big-screen bent. The sort of story they might have made if the NG films had taken a whole different direction.
The comment about the actors being dissinterested got me - though I don't think it's that they're not interested, but that there hasn't been that same sense of reality as in the OS films. And as a result there's perhaps more of a sense of self-awareness about the performances, even Picard's. And it's funny, because this wasn't at all the case on the show, but when they switched to films... I guess films can have their ownreality, their own sort of cinematic reality - maybe the best way to explain it would be to refer to the very best part of TTT - the words "The Lord of the Rings" up there on the big screen at the begning, wavering slightly/ Something v simple like that, can transport you like nothing else - like the beginning of WOK with 'In the 23rd century..."
I'm past caring why Berman didn't get it right tbh. What would ideally happen now is like with WOK Paramount will look for some1 new to make them a cheap and cheerful trek film - who'll watch all the old episodes - well some of them anyway - and see with a fresh perspective, the possibilities of, say, DS9./
Whatever, like you say, it needs to be different - the sorts of sights and sounds that we haven't seen before, or seen before And if that's too much to ask... I'm already over it.
Posted on Mar 3, 2003, 9:34 AM from IP address 62.64.223.248
Thanks for your comments on my plot. I would have made it longer, but I didn't want to bore anyone. I'll remember next time.
I like what you say about having stuff at the beginning which gets you in the mood of the movie. That can be quite effective. That's why I like the old way of having credits at the beginning. I was apathetic about ST9's opening credits, but FC was good, and then going straight to Picards nighmare. The "In the 23rd century..." was really good in ST2 too.
I think I have probably gotten all my ranting about Berman out of my system. I think he just got complacent with the film -- developing the characters in the wrong direction, and no meaty plot. I have to say that I saw Insurrection twice at the cinema, and I liked the movie when I came out. OK, it wasn't FC, but I don't expect that. I thought ST9 was a good movie. ST10 would have been good for me if at least the plot had the same depth as ST9.
Talking about characters, when Picard stabbed Shinzon, why is he just standing there like a stunned duck? This actually distracted me during the movie.
Also, I think if Berman goes with a non TNG cast, the film won't make a lot of money. For starters, non-ST fans won't be interested in it. All they know is Kirk, Spock, Picard and Enterprise. Where none of those four works occur, non-ST people get lost. Also, not even ST fans can agree on DS9, VOY (or ENT). Some hate ENT, some hate VOY, and some hate DS9. Some hate both DS9 and VOY, and so on. At least ENT has "Enterprise". I personally like all three series, but I'd prefer an ENT or VOY movie over DS9 (first place goes to TNG for me though, ha ha ha ).
I give credit to Berman in willing to trying new things, but they have to be the right things. Making lounge singers out of crew members is not the way to go. If there is a Voyager movie, I don't want to see Harry Kim playing his clarinet, or the Doctor doing his singing. No children either. I thought Picards jokes were mostly out of place in Nemesis, along with zooming out of the shuttle like a bat out of hell out of the shuttle. Sure, he's mellowed over the years, but he hasn't gone senile ... yet.
Regards,
CJM
Posted on Mar 4, 2003, 9:46 AM from IP address 130.102.5.63
Something that ppl recognised in FC was that firing on his own crewmates could be a real shift in Picard's character (of course I don't mean he'd continue goin round shooting fellow crewmembers - just when the time was right). Course it wasn't followed through in Ins - though really the reset button as at the end of FC where they all gather on the bridge, and go back to their own time.
Anyway, I did find itr interesting that Logan talked about Nemesis involving Picard seeing his family leave the roost. I mean I don't know quite who's left, but that might be something to really pick up on, if another Picard film were ever made. And then that little defect in his brain - Picard would know what it'd mean for it to show up in a scan or something - a gradual journey trip to Planet Googaaland.
Wouldn't that be worth using? I mean I can see those that'd object, for the obvious (oh so obvious) reasons - but Picard fighting to hold on to his reason - to hld on to his humanity while a great galactic threat threatened to overwhelm them all - also DS9. My word what a great film that'd be. I'm going now, I'm getting peckish.
Posted on Mar 8, 2003, 3:07 AM from IP address 62.64.207.150
I can't say I remember the music for the bit where Data dies. It was all rather... sudden...
Ka-boom.. No Data No Mo'
Clearly the movie was miles (light years even) better than Insurrection. Better than Generations, at a pinch. The story was decent-ish, or at least had the potential of being decent-ish. But on the whole it reminded me of other films or episodes that were done better. The comment about it being like an episode is about right. A fairly good episode - but that's still not quite enough for a whole movie.
Posted on Mar 11, 2003, 6:08 AM from IP address 202.67.68.70
Maybe there's plenty of small details to pick up on, like in all the other films. Some nice choice bits of dialogue to quote every so often, except it all seems to have been so sel-conscious that that may be denied us. I mean at least Ins broke loose every so often. But it should be worth watching for the action alone I'd have thought. Besides all these NG films work better on the small screen - Paramount might even have made their money back on video sales if they hadn't spent so exhorbantly on adverstising.
I still can't believe they cancelled Farscape though. I thought at least they'd try and work in some sort of cross-over thing with Enterpise - so that Moya comes into contact with the Enterprise - force them to up the ante, prove themselves worthy. Have Archer uncertain whether T'Pau is carrying his child, have his exact double killed off, maybe have Shran's personality implanted into his mind or seomthing - cue big dramtic crescendo in the music - which segues into -
"It's been a long road..."
Posted on Mar 14, 2003, 1:25 AM from IP address 62.64.215.62
I'm sure I'll probably appreciate Nemesis more when I watch it on TV. As for a cinema rating though, Generations and Insurrection outrank it for me. At least I had a lump in my throat when Kirk died. Nemesis did not provoke an emotional response in me because it relied too heavily on special effects and not the plot and soundtrack. I am still wondering why Jean-Luc was like a stunned duck after he killed Shinzon, like he was fatally wounded or something.
As for Insurrection, all I can say is this: If movies were like food, First Contact is like a fancy restaurant with really tasty stuff, Insurrection is like Pizza Hut (still tasty and a good feed) and Nemesis is like a cookie. At least I felt "full" after seeing Insurrection both times. It hurts me to criticise Nemesis, being a Star Trek movie. I found the little voice inside me trying to convince me that the movie was as good as Insurrection for half of the duration of the movie. It didn't win. My mum loved it, so I didn't tell her how I felt -- I didn't want to burst her bubble of enjoyment. It only lasted a few days though. She now shares the same opinion I do. I know logically sometimes they will churn out a bomb. At least Marina Sirtis wore a low cut dress in the beginning.
I agree that the plot had the potential to be really good. Just one observation I'd like to make: did anyone think the Argo looked like something that one would expect from ENT? It's not a criticism or a compliment, just an observation. Like Pavlov's dogs, when I saw the car I couldn't help but keep thinking of that grappling hook used by the NX-01 instead of a tractor beam.
My only hope now is that the upcoming release "Gulf War II" is more interesting than the boring Pentagon release "Afghanistan". The producers say this time the U.S. will democratically rule Iraq for a few years to teach them democracy. The lack of this plot element is is what I believe led to the low box-office ratings of "Afghanistan".
I have to say, the prospect of Bush Snr's son being president and finishing what the father started does make for an epic tale in itself. This is the sort of stuff one would see in a movie. That they have the same first name adds to the movielike story.
Only ~24 hours to go now...
Posted on Mar 18, 2003, 12:38 PM from IP address 130.102.5.63
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