Ok, it wasn't Elvis.
And it wasn't cornflakes.
But it was Sorbo.
And he was co-hosting "Live with Regis and Kelly".

He did a pretty good job. It was interesting to see him doing something like that. And amazing enough, no one brought up Hercules once. HHmmmmm. I wonder why?

Anyone else see it?

{{WW}}

Yeah, I saw it this morning also. Wasn't too bad. I usually don't watch that show (never really liked it) but I just had to see how ole Kevin was going to do. Not too shabby. Cute picture of Braedon. Those rosy little cheeks. He's a little cutie.




Hugs,
Shait

They probably never mentioned HTLJ in case Sorby threatened to walk off set, LOL! (j/k)

OK, Wike, you almost had me worried there!

Mermaid
Hello! Elvis is dead! LOL!

How did I miss this?! Okay, what was he wearing? What does he have against Herk?!



Shhh,
Whisper

Well, he wasn't in blue! LOL! But he did look nice in a sport coat and pants.

And the more interviews I see with him, I get the impression that he is embarrassed by his Herc days. Does anyone else get this impression?

That's why I asked. I'm a little bit frustrated by his behavior toward the show that "made" him. I hope he gets over it. It'd be nice to hear him say some good things and see the appreciation that used to be so evident.

Shhh,
Whisper

I'm glad to see that it's not just me. But then again, we tend to think alike on a lot of things!

And like you said, H:TLJ "made" him. Yeah, he had done various other things before H:TLJ, but that is the show that made him what he is now. He wouldn't have Andromeda if not for Herc, and he wouldn't have been co-hosting the above said show if not for Andromeda. See the connection?
It does make one wonder.....

And I do hope that others will join our little discussion here. I'd love to hear what other people think about this. The good, the bad, whatever. Let's hear what you all think. Cm'on, I dare ya'!

HA! You should know better than THAT! LOLOLOL!!!

Ok (rubbing hands together). I think he should get over himself. No, really, I do. If he's embarrased about HTLJ, then that says an awful lot about him that he may not be aware of. As you say Wike, (was it you Wike? Sorry - I haven't had my coffee yet and it's early!) the show made him, and he was willing enough to blather on and on about it when it was his bread and butter and it suited him to beat up people's interest. And while everyone (well, most ) moves on in their lives to other things, and that's a good thing, you still look back on the things that were a part of your life and which made you who you are. Usually, in KS's instance, with gratitude, because it got you where you were.

But my feeling is this: hey, he's a big-shot producer of his own show now (a fatal combo if you ask me - yeah, yeah, I know - you didn't, LOL!) and it's gone riiiiight to his head. He also needs to remember that his First Big Foray into the world of movies was pretty much a resounding flop, but strangely enough, Kull never gets a look-in either...

I could add something here about the difference in attitude between him and Smithy, who WAS making movies, and about to do a blockbuster at that, but I'll desist. Nah, I do have to add this - Kev was about to head off to China, and no doubt knew he had the role in the BW film, but you know what? He was still willing to do mundane and minor things like hosting a half hour preview of one of the NZ networks shows for the new year. Can't see Sorbo ever doing THAT.

Kendaa

Kevin needs to get his head out of his golf bag now and then! :P

I remember him saying he wanted to be like Arnold Schwartznegger (sp). Dear God, is THAT a role model to look up to as far as a career aspiration? Maybe, if it's a big ego we're going after, since Arnold has one bigger than those biceps! I mean, the man barely has a dialoge in his movies which are all the same! Sheesh!

Yes, Smithy was MUCH more. He did so many different kind of things and roles and relished them! Personally, it seems to be the attitude of most of the Kiwi actors which I find endearing about them. (And refreshing, compared to American actors.)

"There are no such things as small roles, only small actors..." I dunno who said it, but it sure rings true and alot of actors out there need that as their mantra.

Mermaid

As far as the actor/producer being a big mistake, I kind of agree here. I've seen it work, but in truth I think it's a lot of hats to ask one person to wear, and many times ends up being detrimental somewhere along the line.

Catering to the actor's aspirations is a formula for disaster, and catering to the producer's aspirations is a formula for disaster. People have egos, and egos are problematic. The only formula that works is catering to the aspirations of the show/movie. Which makes me ask, what are the aspirations of the show Andromeda? What happened to change the aspirations of the show H:TLJ? Were there ever any aspirations for the movie Kull?

Shhh,
Whisper

That's an EXCELLENT question, Whisper. The show (and Sorbo and his ego) lost me some time back, but my observations of the show and the behaviour of the show leaves me somewhat lacking for an answer to that one. Going on appearances, it would seem that the main aspirations (to me, just to me) would be to promote Kevin Sorbo. Eg, the changes in the opening credits. I must say, the new, current one, with a heavy emphasis on a square-jawed, determined, steely-eyed Dylan Hunt, leaves me cold. That alone suggests to me a turning away from an ensemble show about a warship called Andromeda and her crew and the re-establishing of the System Commonwealth.

Then we have the new directions for the show. Do they show us anything of the aspirations for the series? Well, to me the answer to that is I'm not really sure. The answer has become somewhat clouded this season and I must say it's left me all rather confused, because there doesn't seem to be a clear-cut direction marked out. Beyond, again, feeding Sorbo's ego. We've heard so much about "sexing up" the female characters - leaves me cold. What on earth can that contribute to a show beyond catering to the testosteronally-overloaded male complement of the viewership? Is that one of the aspirations? If so - ugh.

And we've heard that Dylan is now not so much keen on restoring the Commonwealth (why? Too big a job for him? Maybe so, but it was a fine, noble thing to aim for). Instead, it's about "Hey, you know what? I/we have this HUGELY powerful, kick-ass ship. Let's just concentrate on doing some good out there." This is just my viewpoint, but that just smacks of aimless on some levels. Part ST:TNG/Voyager/Enterprise, part Hercules in Space...

"This is the story of a time in the distant future, a time of myth and legend, when Niets and the Magog were petty and cruel, and they plagued all kinds with suffering. Only one man dared to challenge their power: DYLAN!! Dylan possessed a strength (thanks to his warship Andromeda), the worlds had never seen, a strength surpassed only by the power of his force lance. He journeyed Space, battling the minions of his wicked foes, the all-powerful and conveniently ubiquitous Bad-Guys. But wherever there was evil,
wherever an innocent would suffer, there would be... DYLAN! (And his ship Andromeda)"

Seriously...

Oh yeah, and the battle scenes have become more prominant. More BAM! POW! SOCKO! WHAP! ...And the point would be? Beyond tittilating (sp) a certain complement of the audience, I fail to see what exactly this can add to a show. To me, it subtracts.

So, what are the aspirations of the show Andromeda? Beats me. It's become very, very murky.

Kevin isn't alone in not wanting to go on and on ad nauseum about the role that made him.

Most actors don't want to get stereotyped by the role that made them do they .... but we still do it don't we LOL:):):)

hugs
fayee

but also in fairness, many (but by no means all!) actors go on to other roles that are very different and don't seek to perpetuate the stereotyping by taking roles that are similar in type.

Hugs,
V

You've made some very good observations, Kendaa. (btw -- LMAO at the monologue! That is PRICELESS!!) I've asked this question on the Slipstream forum before, and really the answers I get are varied, everything from exploring the 300+ years older universe than what Dylan remembers (lame answer -- Dylan and Andromeda are the only newbies to the new time) to fighting to right wrongs (H:TLJ aspiration) to simply providing a really rockin' action adventure series (favorite of writers who have replied to me). I am not entirely happy with any of these aspirations. I too think the show had a good and reasonable aspiration to begin with, the dream of a new commonwealth, balancing the scales of justice, that sort of thing. Now, I don't know. I finally remembered to tune into the show this week for the first time in a month, and it was a rerun, so maybe I've missed something.

I wonder if anyone really knows...

Fayee, you are very right there! I just saw a special on has-been child actors, and it was heart wrenching. These people were actually in tears because they were convinced (by the acting world) that they had already done the only thing that the world would ever remember them for. They felt invisible and useless, used up at an early age. I can certainly understand not wanting to feel that way. Heck, I wouldn't want that. Can you imagine?

However, there's something to be said for gratitude too. Hollywood is more forgiving today than it has ever been. I think an actor turning his/her back on a past accomplishment is a mistake.

Shhh,
Whisper

I wish I'd seen that thread of yours on SS - I'd have been interested in reading it.

One former child actor who comes to mind is Wil Wheaton. Now how many people hated Wesley Crusher? (On a slight tangent here!) And it would have been easy for WW to fold up under that, really, given he was in his teens when he did the role. But these days, it's just amazing to see what he's turned himself too. And I've become a huge fan of his, primarily based on his website, which I love. He's managed to thumb his nose at all the naysayers, still hold the role he'll probably mostly always be associated with in respect, and move on to so many other things, included becoming a talented stand-up comedian. He's amazing!!!

http://www.wilwheaton.net

Check his site out, it's just great!

Hugs,
Kendaa

Don't forget Ron Howard who has always recognized EVERYTHING he's done and EVERYONE who has lifted a finger to help him, and look where he is!!

As far as the Slipstream, I had that conversation MANY times on there. I finally stopped asking because some people were taking it wrong. They were assuming I was trying to start a negativity stampede. What I was actually trying to do was selfishly figure out what I wasn't "getting". That's okay.

Shhh,
Whisper

Oh yeah!!! He's just amazing too. I was so happy that he won the AA the other day He's always been such a lovely fellow, hasn't he?

Don't think there's anything selfish in trying to figure out what you're missing in a show!

Well, I see you've all been busy! I love it!
I'm going to go get a cup of coffee and sit down and read what you've all had to say.
This should be good! LOL!

HHmmm, where to start, where to start.....

Kull: I always wondered why NO ONE ever brought up Kull during an interview during his Herc days. And come to think of it, no one ever brought up any of his other projects either.
Hhmm, I'm starting to see a pattern here.


H:TLJ: As for him not wanting to be type casted, that's a good point. But, I don't buy it. There are so many other actors that have done roles that have type casted them that went on to break out of the "mold".
Ron Howard is the perfect example. He will ALWAYS be known for his early work as Opie. He knows it, we know it, and yet he has gone on to big and better things since then. And when you see an interview with him, the interviewer almost always bring up Opie. And does he get all silly about it? No. He chuckles and answers the question. Because he knows that there is no running from it. It's there. It's ALWAYS there.
And like some one said, if you don't want to be type casted, don't keep taking the same kind of roles.


Andromeda: I have to say that I HATE the opening. More because it just sounds stupid. I don't really care that it sounds so Dylan'ish. I'm not really that surprised about that. I just hate the voice, I hate the words, I hate that it sounds so Superman'ish. I expect to see Dylan standing there with his hands on his hips, and his cape flapping in the wind. <<shudder>>.
As for the where the show is going? In all honesty, I don't think the people that work, write and act on the show knows where it's going. And when I do manage to catch the show, I watch it for the mind numbing entertainment that it is meant to be. Nothing more, nothing less.

Slipstream: Whisper, I'm not surprised at all about what you said. Nope, not surprised.

Ron Howard is amazing, but look at Mark Hamill. He hasn't done much at all since his infamous portrayal of Luke Skywalker. Although, I really can't say that I know the reason for that. It could just be that he didn't promote himself through thick and thin; maybe he didn't fight for new roles. shrug

Harrison Ford made it, Carrie Fisher didn't; who knows why.

Shhh,
Whisper

Wike, the cape and hands on hips are just out of the shot (running now! )

Mark Hamill: not long after SW he was involved in a major road accident and nearly killed. My memory is decidedly rusty, but I seem to recall that his face was badly damaged and required quite a bit of reconstructive surgery, which took him out of stuff for quite a while. I visited his fc site - makes an interesting read.

http://www.markhamill.com

But you're absolutely right, Whisper - that's the role he'll always be associated with.

I never knew anything about that Mark Hamill situation, but that's kind of beside the point. Look at Carrie Fisher, she couldn't do it, but then look at Micheal J. Fox. He's all over the place, and he's got Parkinsons. And heck, Donna Douglas (Ellie May Clampet) is a joke! What I'm saying is, it's all about the person. Whether or not Hollywood wants to accept you, may count for something, but what counts most is how you manage your career.

Sorbo made a terrible mistake with Kull, and now it seems like he's trying to blame H:TLJ for it. What's he going to do when Andromeda is over and all anyone wants to do is put him in spaceman roles? Will he act embarrassed when he does get another kind of role, or will he thank his supporters and respect the fans of Andromeda? He may think he's taken a giant step forward by landing Andromeda after H:TLJ, but the truth is (if what the writers say is fact), they are both just action adventure shows.

Shhh,
Whisper

I went off on a tangent there, hehehe! (SUCH a novelty for me LOLOL!) But I did wonder in passing if his absence from the acting scene for what probably was a significant period of time after the SW trilogy might have accounted for some of the problem.

Again, you're absolutely right, of course - it DOES depend on the person.

It will definitely be interesting to watch how KS does treat his time with Andromeda in the future.

On another slight tangent: He can be a pretty good actor when he pushes himself, and I'd like to see what he could do with a half-way decent role in which he doesn't rely on his square-jawed, steely-eyed, determined action man skills. I always thought his stint on Murder She Wrote was pretty good character work.

NO! I was talking about me! Talking about how I didn't know about Mark Hamill and his troubles was really not the conversation I was shooting for! LOL! Not *you*, ME! You actually had a point there!

And you're right about Sorbo not being a horrible actor. If he would forget everything he learned from Anthony Quinn (because it's not working -- ick! He's not an Anthony Quinn, and he doesn't work it right, all those pauses -- bleck!), and just go back to what he was doing on his own, I think he could play a decent dramatic role. I'm not big on him in a comedy role only because I don't think he delivers a humorous line well, but that's totally my opinion. I also don't like Chevy Chase's style or Rodney Dangerfield's or Leslie Neilsen's....

Shhh,
Whisper

(Whacks self around head with smelly fish and yells WAAAAAAAAKE UUUUUUUUUUPPPP!!!!!) {{{{{{{{{{{{{Whipster}}}}}}}}}}}

You know, I can't STAND those guys you mention. NOT my idea of good comedy or comedians at all. (Geez it's gone dark outside - you'd think it was 7.30pm at night instead of 9.15 in the morning). If KS isn't careful, he'll be compared to William Shatner, the all-time pause king of television, LOLOLOL!

KS proved, even within the confines of HTLJ, that he could do some very good work. I always thought his scenes in the cave with the guy trapped under a rock in Between a Rock and a Hard Place (title?) were outstanding. And in Prince Hercules, the moment of realisation that he was HerK, not Prince Whoever, and that Hera was doing the dirty on him...just wonderful work. Lots of others too. I'd really like to see him develop that side of him, because he definitely does have the talent.

The question remains though, is he going to be content to settle for something less and remain at ease in the roles he's become known for, while having some (albeit transitory) power as a producer?

carrying her tangent with her. . .

Did you know Mark Hamill is the voice of the joker on the Batman cartoon??? My boys think it's great that he was also in SW - like he's more versatile because he can do that???

And, I too think KS could be a better actor if he cared enough to try something beyond action/adventure. Won't comment on Andromed; haven't seen it enough. As another aside mallenia plants her tangent when an actor also wears the hat of producer, often it's to get a piece of the $$$ pie; as part "owner" of the show, producers also get a percentage. This becomes all the more important when the series goes to reruns, where the actors are usually screwed. Not sure if that is the case here or not, tho'.

Also stopped in on WW site - he is really funny! But, I'm afraid a little too vulgar vocabulary for my tastes, or I would have surfed a little longer on his site.

As for Elvis - does it count if I only saw him on a tortilla???? Oh, wait, maybe that was the Virgen de Guadalupe...so confusing...

mallenia
*walks out, sans tangents, scratching her head

I did NOT know that MH was batman, but I think that's hilarious!

I'm sure the wearing of two hats does come with additional income, but I still wonder if it's generally a good idea, for the show or the hat wearer. Heck, people have gritched and groaned for months about whether or not Sorbo had any say in RHW getting sacked, and Sorbo has had a lot of bad publicity and negativity directed at him because of that whole situation. Had Sorbo not been in the role of producer, it wouldn't have been much of an issue at all where he was concerned.

I have to admit that I can see +'s to both arguements for and against the wearing of more than one hat at a time. Because my nature is not appreciating being dictated to, I guess I will just have to let people make their own futures. LOL!

Damnit!

Shhh,
Whisper

Shhh,
Whisper