Here it is.

http://tv.zap2it.com/shows/features/features.html?28444

If ya ask me, I think Sorbo's making a big mistake.

See ya! Jon.E

Making, makes, has made. This is just the worst in an increasingly long list of mistakes.



Slipstreamers were understandably outraged.

But Seth Howard (Creative Executives) and Zack Stentz and Ashley Miller (writers/Senior Creative Consultants) said some very reassuring things and specifically said that Mel Brooks and Airplane would not be showing up and that the Commowealth is not disappearing from the show. Ash and Zack even let slip some hints about an ep they're doing that involves Nietzscheans, the Commonwealth and the magog worldship.

This doesn't change my view that Kevin continues to come accross as disrespectful of sf as a genre, for his cast members, for Gene Roddenberry, for his own show, and for science fiction fans in general.

But Jon E. Now I HAVE to make a goodship lollipop filk. :D

Lil

For Sorbo, his experience doing seven years of "Hercules" in New Zealand has given him a clear vision of what he thinks a syndicated action hour should be -- and can't be.

Yep, he's watched Xena. :D Can't see him dragging Tyr up a hill. Well, striking his head with his force lance and all the blood and yelling "Furies!", mebbe. Or was that Harper yelling "Magog!"

Wonder if Rev Bem is gonna hang headless and nekkid from a tree...if so, I don't wanna see it.

This doesn't change my view that Kevin continues to come accross as disrespectful of sf as a genre, for his cast members, for Gene Roddenberry, for his own show, and for science fiction fans in general.

Maybe they're going through a "rift", Lil...a "YAAI" (Yet another Andromedan Inconsistency). Yea, that's it! They're going through a rift! Hope they do better than the Xena one. :D Well, they do have better writers.

Maybe Sorbo did learn from Tapert... ;P~~~

See ya! Jon.E

I'm thinking he says these things on purpose and likes seeing fans freak out.
I'm thinking the man really needs to have someone write out his answers for him.......

the man needs to have a reverse lobotomy.

I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for him. He's the one and only person I've ever been a fan of that I've turned completely the other way on.

that we liked him better on H:TLJ when he *didn't* call the shots?

See ya! Jon.E

Touche, Jon

I'm thinking the man has let what power he has go to his head. And now he can't think or talk straight for all the "power" clogging his brain cells.....

I don't think Sorbo is stupid. If he sees the ratings drop I'm sure he'll start questioning why the fans aren't supporting the show. Most of the Andromeda fans I've noticed from here and SF-Fandom appreciate 'quality' and won't overlook a series' flaws just because its Sorbo's baby.

That may be true for some here. Me, I don't care that it's a Sorbo thing. I watch what I like. Last season, I stop watching because I didn't like what I was watching. I'm not that big of a scifi fan to care one way or the other about what true scifi'ers care about. I just want to be entertained.
But I do have a problem with some of the things Sorbo say. I often shudder when I read his interviews.

"If he sees the ratings drop I'm sure he'll start questioning why the fans aren't supporting the show."

I think a 2.0/2.1 for Wheel ought to be indication enough.

They have now lost HALF of their original audience.

That's a BIG drop...

See. I told you his other show sucks. Everybody thinks it does. You have your proof right in front of your eyes and you still just like his shows because you want to make out with him. You better learn that he isnt going to make out with you because he can get better girls who are cute and who dont spend all there time on their buts. So like I told you before you should get a life.

and get a life. How moronic do you have to be to set up camp here? Grow up and piss off

I dont know how moronic. How moronic do you have to be because youve been camped here for a long time I bet. I bet this is all you do. I thought you were a teacher but now I know you cant be because your on the computer to much. I cant believe you told me to piss off. What kind of language is that.

blah blah blah....
It's the same tired old song and dance Kendaa. The only difference is that this little one can't carry much of a tune and he keeps tripping over his feet. He may not be as good as some of the Troll's we've seen in the past, but he sure is funny! You gotta give him that.

On another board Themis posted a link to Keith's board. It was really interesting so you might want to check it the whole thing out eg his take on the bone blades! I've cut and pasted what he had to say about Kevin, which I think is quite revealing from someone on the inside.

hugs
Cathy

I have been much chagrined at the Kevin Sorbo bashing on my message board.

The fact is, as I've said before, that without a full disclosure of all the facts, no one has nearly the data enough to discern what's happening to make
Drom what it is. And while I understand fully your concern and share it, your surmises do our front man no justice.

For the record, Kevin Sorbo is my colleague and my friend. He is a thoughtful and a giving actor who wants as much for the show and it's actors as all of you do. He has been a champion of the character of Tyr since they began to lose his focus early in season one, and has not stopped working with me, even on a scene by scene basis to give the character what it needs to remain a force on the show. It is
worth remembering that while Kevin is an executive producer, he is one in five who vote on the direction of every aspect of our production. He and I have
always worked well together, have enjoyed our shared scenes, and I would welcome the opportunity to work with him in any other venue.

In reference to late interviews, it would seem that his overall desires for the show do not necessarily concur with mine. On these matters I cannot defend him, but he hardly needs my defense. My respect for his choices and ideas, and his respect for mine are what grant us the solid working relationship that
we enjoy. The scenes and episodes, of which there are too few, that feature the two of us together over the past three seasons would not be what they are were it not for our mutual admiration. Would all actors in ensemble casts everywhere were such gentlemen/women. Go forth and sin no more!

he's hilarious! He's the BEST medicine after a hellish week. And the most hilarious thing is, he thinks he's original and unique, LMAO!!!

You know, I haven't kept up on the Andromeda scene because I saw it turning into a "Chevy Chase does Sci-Fi" thing over a year ago.

I mentioned this on the Slipstream board last year and was treated like dirt for my opinion (Not that I cared. They never did like my honest opinions, so I got pretty used to it.). I finally got so bored with Andromeda that I didn't have anything new to say regarding the show, so the Slipstream board became more of a chore than anything else. I don't go there anymore. I also don't go to any of the other boards related to Andromeda.

I am glad you posted this message from KHH. This is funny! He is as unnecessarily wordy as 95% of the people from the Slipstream board! Did it really take that much space to say, "You don't have all of the information. Kevin's my friend. Don't talk about him like that on my board."? LOL! Too hilarious!

Now that Kevin Sorbo has actually admitted to all of the stuff that I believed (and was scorned for) a year ago, I have to admit to feeling a bit of self satisfaction. I also must say that I totally understand now why he and that writer (Ashley whatever) get along so well. Airplane is right up that writer's alley. It also explanes why I hate Andromeda and why I was so frustrated by the final few seasons of H:TLJ. It just irritates me the way Sorbo uses his power to take perfectly good ideas and piss them down the Airplane drain. Not funny. Not the answer I (and apparently a lot of other viewers) want.

Bitch session over!

Shhh,
Whisper

it lost me ages ago. First season started to sort of get me in. It seemed intelligent, and with a good ongoing arc that could have gone to some very interesting places. But second season lost me completely. Boredom was part of the problem. And a certain over-inflated ego was also a contributing factor. He should really have stuck with HTLJ - that was more his forte. I read somewhere recently some chest-thumping along the lines of "*I* created the character of Hercules...blahblahblah." Well, yeah, so he did - what's he want a gold medal? It was enjoyable for what it was, and wasn't pretending to be something it wasn't. Unlike XWP.

The whole square-jawed Captain thing is really old, in my book. He's a bore. Both character and actor. Hope the furniture sells well, because if he continues along his present egotistical course, that's all he's going to have behind him if he's not careful.

"I also must say that I totally understand now why he and that writer (Ashley whatever) get along so well. Airplane is right up that writer's alley"

And you know this why? Because he and you didn't hit it off at Tulsa two years ago? How familiar are you REALLY with him. Can you name the episodes he's written without looking them up? Do you even remember them? How can you say something like that?

I KNOW because I've SPOKEN with Ash that he is nowhere near the speed of airplane. And if you think that episodes like DMinus Zero, Devil Take the Hindmost, All Too Human, Una Salus Victus, Into the Labyrinth, and the Knight, Death and the Devil are anywhere CLOSE to Airplane then you aren't as perceptive as I thought you were. It's no secret to me that you and Ash didn't hit it off. But contrary to your uninformed opinion he, along with his writing partner, is one of the FEW people involved in this show who has been making ANY effort to maintain the intelligence of season one so I will thank you not to lump him in with Kevin Sorbo just because you have a personality conflict.

There. my bitch session over.

I have to copy/paste or I'll never remember what you said, Lil. Bear with me!


"I also must say that I totally understand now why he and that writer (Ashley whatever) get along so well. Airplane is right up that writer's alley"

And you know this why? Because he and you didn't hit it off at Tulsa two years ago? How familiar are you REALLY with him. Can you name the episodes he's written without looking them up? Do you even remember them? How can you say something like that?

No, absolutely not. I cannot name any episodes without looking them up. I cannot even remember the complete names of the writers or actors, and I don't remember most of the eps I've seen. Also, the reason I say this actually has less to do with how I felt meeting the guy face to face and more to do with the visits I've had with him online. I can tell you that on almost every occasion that I thought a line was lame, unfunny, bad, tired, or just plain idiotic, he countered that he thought it was hilarious. I can tell you that almost every time I read that he thought something was funny, I had rolled my eyes while watching the show.

I have a loathing for Chevy Chase like material; it's just one of my pet peeves. Anything remotely resembling that kind of humor turns me off fast, and to see it on what I thought would be a serious sci fi show really irritated me. When talking in the chat (which I haven't done for years now), I never thought funny what he thought was funny. The conversational humor he used was not my idea of hilarious. So, as you can see, it's totally my opinion of his sense of humor based on what I've seen of his sense of humor. Now, that doesn't mean that you have to think he's unfunny; it only means that I do.

I KNOW because I've SPOKEN with Ash that he is nowhere near the speed of airplane. And if you think that episodes like DMinus Zero, Devil Take the Hindmost, All Too Human, Una Salus Victus, Into the Labyrinth, and the Knight, Death and the Devil are anywhere CLOSE to Airplane then you aren't as perceptive as I thought you were. It's no secret to me that you and Ash didn't hit it off. But contrary to your uninformed opinion he, along with his writing partner, is one of the FEW people involved in this show who has been making ANY effort to maintain the intelligence of season one so I will thank you not to lump him in with Kevin Sorbo just because you have a personality conflict.

I really didn't realize we had a significant personality conflict, but thanks for the info. I'm definitely not a fan or his, but I never really thought of him in the arena of fanship. I actually did have an interesting conversation or two with him two years ago and told him of one episode that I really did like, that he wrote (I can't remember which one). Face to face wasn't horrible, but neither of us were trying to be funny either.

I thought he dealt pretty well with the butt-kissing that was going on. He didn't gag nor did he puff up too terribly much, which was impressive, as it was getting pretty deep in there.

I really didn't/don't hate the man. I don't care enough to do either. I just don't like his idea of what is funny on the show. And I guess I'll just continue to have my opinion basically because it's mine.

There. my bitch session over.

Groovy. Thanks for the input!

Shhh,
Whisper
"I can go from zero to bitch in six seconds flat!"

is that you think his own sense of humor is somehow reflected in the show. And with the exception of Fear and Loathing (the one with the ad nauseum testosterone battle between Harper and Gerentex) it just doesn't. Watching him with Zack in person, yeah, they have a warped sense of humor. That sense of humor is not present in the eps they write, all of which (with the one exception) are serious eps (by which I mean not big on humor). I hate Chevy chase humor.

I don't find it present in Ash's *episode writing*, even Fear and Loathing (as opposed to himself personally, whether face to face or on line). You seem to be equating one with the other and I think that is unfair because like I said he is working his ass off to keep Kevin Sorbo's asisnine concept of what makes good science fiction from becoming a reality.

Lil

(Bold again for my own personal convenience.)

What htis boils down to (if I'm reading it right) is that you think his own sense of humor is somehow reflected in the show. And with the exception of Fear and Loathing (the one with the ad nauseum testosterone battle between Harper and Gerentex) it just doesn't. Watching him with Zack in person, yeah, they have a warped sense of humor. That sense of humor is not present in the eps they write, all of which (with the one exception) are serious eps (by which I mean not big on humor). I hate Chevy chase humor.

I don't find it present in Ash's *episode writing*, even Fear and Loathing (as opposed to himself personally, whether face to face or on line). You seem to be equating one with the other and I think that is unfair because like I said he is working his ass off to keep Kevin Sorbo's asisnine concept of what makes good science fiction from becoming a reality.

Lil

Well, I see what you are trying to say here, but I really think it goes further. According to Ashley, he is involved in many more episodes than just those he writes. In addition, I believe he encourages that kind of humor at the very least online, but also, I'd be willing to bet, beyond. The reason I say this is because of the conversations I've read online about what they do in their writer meetings and how they encourage one another. Any encouragement of that kind is just wrong for the show, imnsho.

He supports, and will always support, the Harper-humor and view of the world. I think Harper-humor is ruining the show. Many of Ashley's supporters disagree, and I think that's fine. Many former Andromeda viewers agree, and I think that's fine too. I don't watch it, so I don't really care that much either way.

I think Ashley and his partner (whom I would agree to having a personality conflict with) say one thing and do another. I think if he was really fighting the good fight, he'd be as far out the door as RHW. I think he wants to be appreciated by his fans, but is covering his butt by encouraging Sorbo-humor behind the scenes. Do I blame him? Yeah, kinda'... It's ruining a show I don't watch, so take it for what it's worth... Then again, a guy's gotta eat. Butt-kissing is the way of the business world nowadays... Does that make it right?

What it boils down to is that I believe in my opinions for a number of various reasons, none of which are, "I pulled this opinion out of the hat first." Some reasons are gut feelings, some are based on his own words, some are based on history, some on common sense. I feel weird even talking about it, and I won't bother getting fired up about it, because I'm not watching. On the other hand, this has been a fun conversation... not a waste of my time.

You know, I used to blame Bruce Campbell and his inane sense of humor for the fall of H:TLJ. It was when he got involved that things started going downhill. Now I think I was partly wrong. I think it was Bruce Campbell and Sorbo playing off each other that did it. They both had a certain amount of power (either personal or star), and they both had that terrible sense of humor. Together they were able to get it shoved onto the show, and down H:TLJ went.

Sorbo does not need to be encouraged in any way.

Shhh,
Whisper

You two are a great read on a gloomy rainy day like today!

I'm not an avid watcher of Andromeda, I don't know all the names and titles and what-not's. But I know what I like and don't like. I know that I stopped watching this show about the start of season 2. It just didn't much for me. The last epi that I saw early into this season I enjoyed. But then, I don't put as much store into storylines, story archs and all that. But like I said, I'm not an avid watcher.

As for Ashley. Not impressed.
I wasn't all that impressed when I met him two years ago, I wasn't all that impressed the few times I was in chat with him.
Does that mean that you don't have to be impressed with him because I'm not? No. Do I have to be impressed with him because you are? No.
You may think that I'm making unfair snap judgements, and you could very well be right. Or wrong.
(I won't get into any little fights over my opinion. Or over someone elses.)

As for Sorbo. Getting less impressed everytime I read his interviews. I told Whisper years ago when he first got the Andromeda gig that he was going to go all weird on us. Didn't I tell you that Whisper? LOL!

Well, for what it's worth, there's my 2 cents worth.