I think alot of the problems in JKD is the fact that practitioners of this eclectic concept do not read comepletely the philosophy behind it and other philosophys that pertain to the Martial WAY. Such as The warrior within ect.. There is alot of this that will help a practitioner build a strong and proper foundation and mental attitudes that should run hand in hand with being a real practitioner and a representitive of JKD! The Shoalin Way is also good to study amongst others.
You wrote that to be complete, you have to study ALL ways. Do you mean "all" as in ALL martial arts? I mean...there are a LOT of frekin arts out there...you know?
Just a reminder for you bro, JKD is NOT the Way of ALL ways.
I believe that there are 4 doorways in the Martial Way: Physical-Mental-Emotional-Spiritual and until a practitioner seeks these WAYs he or she is incomplete! It takes a lifetime to go thru all doorways and The Martial WAY should be for life anyways! Yip Man trained his whole life pretty much and so have others!
This message has been edited by nwfish on Apr 8, 2003 3:04 PM
Look Phases although at first glance fish sounds like he knows what he is talking about, he actaully is talking tripe. There is a myriad of contraditions in his statements Big Sean pointed one out.
You sound like a mystic warrior(otherwise known as wanna be) fish. Please do not take this as an insult, but you honestly come out with crap that to anyone with a reasonable amount of knowledge in MA can see as merely ripping quotes off from here and there without real understanding of it. Before you go round telling us what our problems are you should learn some more.
i too, sometimes have this habbit. Talk less, learn more. I know this one guy who is like this. His martial skills are quite good, but his understanding is not thus he limits himself. Unfortunately he believes himself to have come to some sought of enlightenement so spouts the same bull**** you do. What he does not see is that the vast majority experienced MA see past him. They nod and smile, knowing that he is doomed to stay where he is.
Like you anyone who disagrees with him is a heretic yada yada yada. He thinks that other people have yet to get to his level of understanding and slowly has a built a wall around himeself that blinds him, but also protects his ego.
Anyway do not take this as an isult, its not meant to be, although there are some harsh words. Maybe they do not apply to you at all and you are right in what you say, or just maybe, all those people who constantly tell you that you talk **** are right and you need to look at yourself and your wall more closely.
There are too many taking cheap shots at people on this site for simply speaking there mind (even though in some cases they are correct) Argueing over a certain point is fine I wouldn't have it any other way but to viciously attack someones chartacter when you don't know them is cowardly and rude. If everyone was the same what kind of a boring forum would this be.
I understand your point Curt, but sometimes you have to take it down a level and throw in a cheap shot to get someone thiniing about what they are saying. If you are too nice all the time, it can be damaging to that person.
I much rather be honest and say what I think. If I am wrong then fair enough. I do feel that a persons character is reflected in the way they train. This is just from my experience. So if your character talks sh1t then they probably train sh1t.
I am young and still in the habbit of speaking my mind, apologese if this took offense to anyone.
LOL Guys
I am the real Deal and have trained in M.A. for many years, including JKD
whether you believe me or not is irrelevent. Only the fact that if I was in front of you, would you take a gamble that I do not know what I am doing?
What's really funny is that since I have came here alot of folks have tried to discredit me and I have not said that about others. But I do go after the ones attacking me out of defense.
You can never prove it either way until you come to me. I am a sifu. Do not believe me? I really do not care. But come here and take me on. And then you will know. Otherwise all of you rude folks are just speculating and blowing hot air.
How many times must someone try this bull of trying to discredit someone?
I guarantee you that many of you are no where near my fighting abilitys. Come on and check it out!
I am the real Deal and have trained in M.A. for many years, including JKD
whether you believe me or not is irrelevent. Only the fact that if I was in front of you, would you take a gamble that I do not know what I am doing?
What's really funny is that since I have came here alot of folks have tried to discredit me and I have not said that about others. But I do go after the ones attacking me out of defense.
You can never prove it either way until you come to me. I am a sifu. Do not believe me? I really do not care. But come here and take me on. And then you will know. Otherwise all of you rude folks are just speculating and blowing hot air.
How many times must someone try this bull of trying to discredit someone?
I guarantee you that many of you are no where near my fighting abilitys. Come on and check it out!
Last time someone asked where you lived you said you alerted the authorities and told everyone you would plug thier ass with lead from your glock if they came looking for you. Remember? now does that sound like someone who is confident of thier skills?
You are so full of poo you crap through your mouth...
You feel confident today, but wait until your meds wear off or your bi polar kicks in
I just read that rant by NWFISH......... and S H I T MYSELF laughing!
"I AM A SIFU!!!!" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
(pound for pound, the worst sifu in town)
You said this:
"You can never prove it either way until you come to me."
Okay, come where? I live in Asheville, NC. West Asheville to be exact, right off of Patton Ave. I currently train at a space I rent out from Shaolin of Asheville at the intersection of Haywood and Dorchester roads. Me, Kyle, and our asskicking friends are up there every Wednesday and Friday night from 7:15 PM 'til whenever. We're also there all day Sunday grappling and kickboxing and ruining each other's sh!t.
THAT'S WHERE I AM, B I T C H!!!
Where are you, NWFISH? Tell me, I beg of you. Give me the opportunity to benefit from your wisdom. I have a Honda that gets 46 miles to the gallon on the interstate, so I can make the drive.
Spokane Washington I believe. Or that greater area. I would go visit him but, he has threatened to get his glock if we go lookin' for him 'cause he don't play around!".
Steve, what is the name of the Martial Art you founded?
Spokane Washington?!? Damn! That's a little bit out of my price range. Yahoo maps says it's 2512.8 miles away. Oh well.... I guess I'll continue to wallow in my own ignorance, NWFISH's omnipresence denied to me because of geography.
Not to worry! Thats not so far away from me, fellas. Hey Steve, want to meet Your Friendly Neighborhood Zub-Zub?
I'll even get a digital camcorder and 2 witnesses, just give me your address, phone #,and we'll schedule a place and time. I'm dying to see what "style" you've created! I have only been training 4 years, so I ask that you go easy on me and not unleash the full extent of your powers! Interested, Fishy-Boy?
Gloves, shin guards, chest protectors... We've got equipment for DAYS!!! We even have the giant sumo vests that you can put on that TOTALLY PROTECT you from damage, so your buddy can throw full speed Thai Kicks or Side Kicks into your chest and not feel a thing.
Well the philosophy will change depending on who you talk to. Fighting for the most part is mindless aggression its not pretty like the movies show it. Its all about instincts and training your natural body mechanics to perfection that is what JKD is and why I don't believe street fighting has changed in thousands of years.
Congratulations, ass. You took me seriously. You can't differentiate your ass from a hole in the bathroom wall, much less humor from bravado. And I seriously doubt you are laughing, you probably cuddled up to your glock as soon as you saw that I "wanted to know" where you live. God, how thick are you? If you had an ounce of intelligence, you would have recognized that I could not possibly be serious. Like I am going to waste 300$ and 2 days of driving to pound your ass! You give yourself too much credit there. I have better things to do, I have a job to keep. But back to the point, you are an ass. Period.
Now, I'm not tryin to be a cockmuncher or anything, but I have an interesting question. Zub-Zub, I'm not raggin on you or anything but do you still need a period at the end of a sentence when you say "period"? Just thought that was mind-boggling.
NWFISH, why do you even bother? Unless you're completely stupid, or in some kind of denial, you HAVE to realize that nobody on this forum takes you seriously.
Here, allow me to illustrate. In almost every one of my posts, I state an opinion, and then back it up with specific reasons WHY I think that way. That's pretty much how everyone here does it.... except for you. What you do, ass, is make all kinds of outlandish claims about this or that, but never say WHY you think that way. This exposes you as a fraud, especially when me or Matt or somebody else calls you on it, and all you can counter with is, "Well, you guys don't know sh!t! LOL!!! I know the truth. Nobody can step to me." bla, bla bla, bla bla...
You're not fooling anybody, but I have a feeling you already know that, thus all the, "LOL!!!" and "LMAO!!!". You want us to think you're all nonchalant and indifferent, yet it's kind of obvious that all you want is to be accepted or even worshiped. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN until you quit talking out of your ass.
Just my thoughts. And whatever you do, please don't reply with a post that contains "LOL!!!" or "LMAO!!!" or "ROTFLMFAO!!!" or any other internet nerd speak. We get it already, you're confident and "above it all", and you're laughing all the time. Okey dokey, duly noted.
-Mike
P.S. If it was ME that lived two hours away from you, your ass would already be beat....... not that I think you'd actually give me your address or the address to your school.
Steve Carpenter seems like a made up name, is there any real proof that he really exists. I have not seen anything to show that this "Steve Carpenter" is real or is he just a made up person from a kids imagination.
This message has been edited by remerb on Mar 14, 2004 1:15 PM
Alright, I'm new to the forum and can't claim to know anything of Jeet Kune Do, and little of the MA I do practice. I just have one question though, isn't the basis of martial arts founded on self-discipline? I've been a member for less then an hour and I already see people tearing each other apart with words and threats. I'm sorry if my ignorance shows through my words, but wouldn't a better application of what we try to learn be through teaching others, or at least guiding them along the way as opposed to useless in-fighting over who has the highest rank?
Alright, I'm new to the forum and can't claim to know anything of Jeet Kune Do, and little of the MA I do practice. I just have one question though, isn't the basis of martial arts founded on self-discipline? I've been a member for less then an hour and I already see people tearing each other apart with words and threats. I'm sorry if my ignorance shows through my words, but wouldn't a better application of what we try to learn be through teaching others, or at least guiding them along the way as opposed to useless in-fighting over who has the highest rank?
I thought that a question of the philosophy of martial arts would come with possibilities and thoughts as to how it could be perceived, is it really necessary to continue this fighting?
I would like to explain to our newbie here. Sometimes you have to be mean to teach people. Try not to get into the habit of believing martial arts is more than it is. Like Mike said its combat. If you want to learn Care bear martial arts fair enough, but show me the legendary fighter who was not a little arrogent, a little agressive and suffered fools. Then I will perhaps reasses my understanding of MA.
Mike - Oh ok. LOL I thought you meant his high school or college. Yeah, if you click on his login name under his posts, it says he is 42. It also gives you his e-mail address and website url if I am not mistaken.
You must show control
Law suits and prison time is a reality
these apes that talk trash and try to act all bad here have no clue. Martial arts is alot more than Cave man antics.
Combat in here is rediculous and takes away from the quality of this site
But as a fighter myself I will not back down from a mouthy ass wipe.
This Mike guy is like a cave man with so called skills
me beat you ugh.
Alot more to life than combat also.
I always laugh at machismo and tough talkers. It is the guy that just sits there and smiles, not the fool with the big mouth. Same goes for here.
That is what is wrong with alot of arts, that machismo bullsh*t. Means nothing.
and on the street anyone can be a dirty fighter
and kill you EASILY!
these guys that laugh at the reality of a powerful kick being a fight stopper have never been tagged by one.
....he deleted his forum after I posted there.
Btw, the words "zub-zub" mean "penis-penis" in Lebanese. I learned this just the other night. Learn something new everyday! And Steve, I am sorry, did you read my formal apology yet?
This message has been edited by Zub-Zub on Mar 16, 2004 10:54 AM
This is the second time he has deleted his OWN forum!
Steve,
You can't just take your lithium until you feel better. You have to continue with the dosage even after you think your well.
So now why did you delete it this time? Is it because you kung fu is too powerful? Is it because MMA blows? C'mon man! When I feel like my Kung Fu is going no where, when I need a quick laugh, I love to visit your site and read your profound wisdom!
I think your stability is in question here Steve. If your so well established in the MA world, why are you so elusive? Why is it that we don't know the name of your "style", or your school. (I read the name in a previous thread, I'll find it)
You actually made an open challenge to the forum with "You can never prove it either way until you come to me. I am a sifu. Do not believe me? I really do not care. But come here and take me on. And then you will know. Otherwise all of you rude folks are just speculating and blowing hot air." I see now that law suites and prison time are why you are backing out. How very realistic, our prisons are FULL of Kung Fu masters and our court systems plagued with settlement cases....
You lack social grace, the quality that truely is flaunted by a master of himself. They carry a quiet confidence, which screams "don't F with me". You do not posses this trait.
Why don't you ever get into technique? You will say something like this..."To built speed you need to rotate your hips etc...", "Street fighting is deadly because of eye gouges, groin strikes etc..." NO, What it the "etc"? Please go into detail! All of these things are what expose you for being a fraud. Not to mention you waffling between being the guiding light with your forum to deleting it every time someone challenges your philosophy on it.
This only leads me to the conclusion that your students are bigger loosers in life than you...after all you are the one GUIDING them. Don't worry Steve, even though I live relatively close to you, I would never visit you. I have a phobia about CRAZY people. I don't know if your going to be huddled up in a corner, wiping your own feces on you. Or jerking off in a public phone booth...Ya just don't know with people like you and chances are that you actually WOULD pull out your glock and start blastin'!
The simple answer to your question is that, martial arts is a way to free yourself from fear. To free yourself from the constraints of life. To free yourself from death. In short to be free.
The complicated answer is too complicated. It is something you need to understand for yourself.
P.S YOU DON'T KNOW THE CARE BEARS!!! Am I the only one? Remember care bears care.
