What advice for beginners(like me) do you have on the following 2 subjects:
Say you are a beginner and are about to fight. You and your opponent are both in right leads, and for some strange reason your opponent gets the drop on you first and starts throwing a flurry of wild punches.
How would you defend this, feint a jab to a lead side kick and fish him off perhaps? If not, what would you suggest?
My second question is which do you think is honestly more effective, those wild punches or straight blasts? I have never seen anyone use a straight blast and I haven't really been in a fight since I started learning JKD. I have however seen, but never used, those wild punches and it seems to work for others when fights break out.
So I was wondering, if two people, both similar in body size and weight use them(one using the straight blasts and the other one using those redneck swings) who do you think would win and why?
I'd really like some info on this
Swordfish
This message has been edited by JKD-Swordfish3 on Oct 28, 2003 8:53 PM
If you are fighting with gloves on, i don't think the wing chun punches can be used. Why ? Wing chun's concentrate on fast punching and speed.
1) With gloves on, your punch become damn big, and it is harder to go through the hands to hit the face. 2) Gloves slows you down a little. 3) You can't cycle in a small cycle for straigh blast. 4) You can't block with a palm (if you are doing trapping or some other stuff i dunno heh) 5) You can't use your knuckle anymore so you punch with a ball of impact instead of a small stone.
And your wild punches refer to ? Assuming it is head hooks here and there... I have never done that in my life with wild punching so i can't feel it.
Sorry I am off topic, was thinking about some mix martial arts compeititon some time ago. Really sorry.
I mean, it is better to combine both type of wild punches + straight blasting. But your wild punch mustn't be shooting out as and when you like, but with timing etc etc.
And when you say you can kick, the best time to kick is when you can read that your opponent is going to punch you, or the intention to. If you know he is going to just rush straight and punch, get your leg ready to shoot out. To me, the legs are the first layer of defense and if you have strong/fast/long legs, you get a certain advantage, and down to the 2nd layer of defense which is the hands. Frankly speaking my hands are not good (i'm in tkd arts), so thats all I have to say.
This is a good question to address. First of all, I believe the poster asked what to do if someone comes at you swinging wildly. My answer to this depends on range.
If the guy charges, and I see him coming, I'll nail him with a side kick or back kick used as a stop hit. Because the opponent's weight is moving towards you, and your kick is a straight line kick, you get massive penetration, (i.e. you can really knock the piss out of somebody).
This is one of my bread and butter techniques, and it works well for me because of my build.
Now, if my opponent charges in too fast for me to fire off a kick, I'll immediately duck and go for the double leg takedown. Again, your attacker's forward momentum is his downfall because moves HIMSELF right into position for the takedown.
With either technique, you are relatively safe from your opponent's fists of fury. With the side or back kick, your head is out of range, and the attacker gets "stuck". With the takedown, you duck the punches and shoot.
Without a doubt, these are the two techniques I have the most confidence in.
Moving on:
As far as which is better, a straight blast or a wild succession of punches, I'd have to go with the wild punches. The reasons? Range, power, and most of all, fear. You come at somebody swinging all out, and their instinctive reaction is the freak the hell out.
I've never actually done this in a fight, but I practice charging forward, (like a straight blast), throwing regular, full extension punches from a covered boxing guard, (hands at the temples). This technique has a longer range than a straight blast, and more power.
If you wanna try it, have a training partner hold a single focus mitt with two hands and then backpedal as you chase him punching. For a glimpse of this in reality, see any of the early Vitor Belford fights in which he unleashed unholy destruction on his opponent's with this very technique.
I'll take the straight blast over the wild punches anyday! I have used the straight blast in many conflicts and it works extremely well if you know what you are doing! Now, on the other hand, if you are not skilled at the straight blast, maybe you would be better of with the wild punching! At least you would be doing whatever comes natural in the situation.
Keep Blasting!
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Funny this should come up. Just at class on Saturday, during sparring one of the newer guys came at me with a flurry of wild punches. It reminded me of junior high or high school fights. These were wild, swinging inward punches. All arm strength.
Yes it was freaky. But there wasn't much power in the punches. This was light contact sparring, with gloves, but I could sense there wasn't any body power behind them. Just swinging arms. Instinctively, when being attacked with a flurry of punches, I covered up, but instead of doing my usual freaking out backpedal that doesn't work, I pushed in with a straight blast.
Worked pretty well. So, I used a straight blast to counter wild punches. It also helped that when throwing these types of punches, the chin seems to be pretty exposed.
I sparred with a guy I know recently. In truth it was more ego driven than it should have been, which is stupid, but I've gotten over that. Anyway, when we would get into it, this guy would drop his head and then after a while try to swing or go in. When he would go in and try to take me down, nothing would happen for about 10 min and we would break to keep the action going. But when he would swing, i.e. giant haymakers, I would get 5 or 6 punches to his one, and it took most of the power out of his hits. In fact, there was blood in his mouthpiece at the end of the fight, and I was just sore from the intensity. In any case, even if you don't do the straight blast, the best thing to do in my experience is to go straight down the center inside of the swinging so that it doesn't hit you, and even if it does it won't hurt as much cause you're banging him in the face. That's my two cents.
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I was told by a wing chun/kickboxing guy that my punches where wild. Yet when I sparred with his students (some had been training for years) not one could defend against it. Personally I do not think my punches are wild, to the untrained eye I can see why one would think so, but my punches came from every direction hard and fast. The key to punching well or indeed anytype of striking is not to think straight blast, hook, jab etc it is simply to punch hard fast and accurately when you see an appotunity.
I've seen wild looping punches work in a fight, it's not pretty but effective. However, if this wild puncher faught a guy with 6 months to 1 yr of boxing experience under his belt, I think he would destroy this wild swinger.
As for the Straight Blast (chain punches), I've never seen it used in a real life fight, in theory, you would think it works because the quickest way to get from point A to point B is a straight line.
A question I would ask, is what straight blast are you refering to, are you talking about the Wing Chun Chain Punches or are you talking about the Boxing Blast that Bruce Lee was using in the "L.A. Days" before he died.
Personally, I think the Boxing Blast is better then the Redneck Swing.
Well i think it depends on how GOOD you are at each. I do however think that the straight blast is safer then just swinging your fists but swinging your fists can get the job done. Pretty much anyone can swing fists at eachother unless you have medical issues. Its like a high school fight where two kids just swing their fists and stand still leaving themselves exposed to be hit.
Well i think it depends on how GOOD you are at each. I do however think that the straight blast is safer then just swinging your fists but swinging your fists can get the job done. Pretty much anyone can swing fists at eachother unless you have medical issues. Its like a high school fight where two kids just swing their fists and stand still leaving themselves exposed to be hit.
The straight blast takes more time to build up the power of "wild punches." "Wild punches" or what I like to call the "Rapid Fire," takes more time to build up the accuracy of the straight blast.
However, between the two, the straight blast is more economically and structurally powerful. What the straight blast may lack in brute power, it makes up for in speed and accuracy, and its not easy to get yourself out of the middle of even a weak straight blast due to its extremely disorienting, fast-paced, offensive assault.
The straight blast should also be viewed in more ways then a knock out tool. It's other primary use is to provide a transition into attacks even more powerful then rapid fire punches. For example, straight blast to clinch to the use of your in-fighting tools. Or straight blast to clinch to takedowns to ground fighting where bone breaking locks may be applied.
Personally, I use both. In a real fight however, I would trust my straight blast more.
We learn to respond with what we do most. So training gives skill . And the more we train then that training .Is what we will use in a pressured time. The wild street punches. Work . And may be called say the street blast. It may be wild but gets the job done. Sad thing is as we train. We work out with otrhers that train. Sometimes forgeting the street method. Then boom here it is. And it gets you. Why because its done different then the trained method. So we must remember. responce is slightly changed and comittment has to stay strong. The straight blast will have the shorter path inside up the center or outside shooting to the center. While the wild street blast. will say be a looping over the top or outside loop of punches. Even sometimes like a wind mill. A fight never really pretty. But if you fight effectivly then you get the job done.
Phases said it best. Use the footwork and your punches. Why take that energy in? Remember that there are some martial arts that utilizes those "Wild" punches to defeat a straight blast. I.e. Choy Lay Fut, Tien Shien Pi, or Phoenix form Bagua Zhang. These martial arts use a Windmill swinging motion to cause a lot of damage. Ofcourse how many people know these arts? Still, be mindful of your opponent.
