i'd like to clarify a few things about joeys pericos system of training
1. the "theatrical movement"- what may seem theatrical to some are really drills
to develop over all balance, and the ability strike from all angles.
2. joey teaches various ways to bridge the gap, not just by delivering a full split
as some may claim. i'm sure "jesse misinterpreted it.
3. joey's 7 kicks in one second is not a movement used for actual combat. it is simply
a demonstration that if you can deliver more than one in a matter of a second imagine 7.
if you think those are just flickering kicks try standing infront of them. if you tell me
it is not effective in an actual fight it is because it is only meant as a demonstration.
4. joey's system of training does not descrimnate ground fighting as a matter of fact i heard
from him that grappling is at its most element on the ground and shouldn't be underestimated by
stand up strikers. all he said was there should be ground fighting but necessary "pure" grappling.
he teaches ground fighting as well you just have to listen openly.
5. one of his ex students claims that joey is teaching taekwondo and a bit of boxing.
this is not true. teakwondo's main kicks comes from the rear joey clearly stands as a dominant lead
on guard postion, and ofcourse delivers kicks mainly from the lead.(directly) youll know this if you
trained taekwondo or if your a sensible student.
6. the double angular is short cut of steping away from the line of attack to the right or left while
simultaneously kicking your opponent, very effective by the way if delivered "properly".
7. is what joey teaching true jkd. if your definition of a true jkd practitioner is a certificate the answer
is no. but if your definition of jkd is a principle of logic, simplicity, directness, and developement etc the answer is yes.
8. joey may seem old. but i asure you he is fit and as able as a race horse.
note: those who improved and learned from joey never complained. if you choose to go for other systems of learning
that is your own personal preference and will be respected (jess). please don't bother those who chose for themselves
as well.
a new jeet philosophy comes in mind. "if you can beat them! shut up about them" lets us enjoy the wide variety of instructors
we can learn something from them. (no matter how critisized)
remember no one can force you to train with them. the fact that you joined in is that you must have seen something from them that
you wanted to learn. peace!
joey's "seven kicks in a second" aren't kicks. if he is going to demonstrate his speed in kicks then his foot has to touch down after each kick otherwise it is not a kick.
and their kicks come from a lead leg.. i took kung fu and the kicks come from a lead leg.. I've seen karate guys.. lead leg.. just by the fact that you mentioned that tkd bit again fails to qualify your argument. el maestro a tkd vet also assured the idea of lead striking in tKD . whoever told you that tkd has rear kicks only is only misleading you. Sad, but truuuue!!! think metallica
This message has been edited by lssanjose on Dec 9, 2003 8:07 PM
have you ever watched bruce lee in movies with his theatrical jeet kune do? he does multiple kicks in one raise aswell, like 3 or 4 kicks. and as i said its a demonstration not used for actual combat just to show if you can deliver 7 kicks in 1 second how much speed can you put into 1 kick?! and bruce lee's 1 inch punch is not used for actual fighting it is simply showing if you can deliver that much force from a distance of an inch what more from the on gaurd position! that's his theory and joeys is the 7 kicks.. and i'd bet if bruce thought of that 7 kick concept then he would use it for demonstration as well.. and what you gona do? diss him as well? huh?
We're talking about Perico, not Lee. Again you aim to evade my questions.. I'll ask again why bother bringing the guy up on N. American soil?? And if you are going to bring him up, then don't pass him off as a JKD instructor. But rather a martial artist albeit he's not garnering much respect around here; at least that's my perception at the moment.
tkd does have lead kicks.. but majority of their kicks are a telegraphic dominant rear stance.. if you say they dont have rear kicks what the hell do you call a 45 or a roundhouse.. or turning long! all rear man! have you seen their side kick? comes from the rear, goes in front, then clips the knee. then and only then will they kick...im not dissing tkd or anything i try to bring up other martial arts as much as possible..but i see that tkd is more for sport than actual combat...
"have you ever watched bruce lee in movies with his theatrical jeet kune do? he does multiple kicks in one raise aswell, like 3 or 4 kicks."
But the difference is, bruce lee doesn't say "look at me! I can do 7 kicks in a second!" because he knows they AREN'T KICKS. whereas your instructor claims they are kicks.
In TKD we trained both lead/front leg and rear/back leg kicks equally. Those kicks are mainly categorized as basic kicks. All basic kicks can be performed from the lead as well as the rear. Front kick, side kick, round kick, inside & outside crescent kicks, hook kick & axe kick. Each kick can be done from the lead and rear and when you mix them up you get kicking combinations.
"but majority of their kicks are a telegraphic dominant rear stance.."
I'm not sure what you mean by this. I don't even know what a dominant rear stance is. Aside from the forms, we actually spar in a fighting stance with weight distribution being about 50/50. But I'm sure I misunderstood your statement.
"if you say they dont have rear kicks what the hell do you call a 45 or a roundhouse.. or turning long! all rear man!"
Yes we do have rear kicks in TKD in our basic kicks. We also have spinning and jump spinning kicks in our medieate to advanced kicks. No one said that we didn't have rear leg kicks just that we also have lead kicks as well.
"have you seen their side kick? comes from the rear, goes in front, then clips the knee. then and only then will they kick..."
Like I said we have tons of applications for our kicks. Take the side kick. You have the basic front leg side kick, the front leg stepping side kick (The one Bruce Lee loved so much), the jump side kick, then you have the rear back leg side kick, then you have the spinning rear leg side kick etc. One kick with a ton of different ways to deliver it.
"im not dissing tkd or anything i try to bring up other martial arts as much as possible..but i see that tkd is more for sport than actual combat..."
I don't think you're dissing TKD but you are perhaps a bit misinformed about TKD. It is a nice sport isn't it?
Anyay, Perhaps Joey Perico teaches modified TKD. Wing Chun people say that JKD is modified Wing Chun. Well Jun Fan Gung Fu a precurssor to JKD was heavily influenced by Wing Chun. JKD still incorporates alot of it. Not once in any of your posts have you mentioned any Wing Chun type of techniques. Even the most unscrupulous JKD fake instructor knows some Wing Chun techniques that they teach as part of their curriculum. Does Joey Perico teach any principles that JKD shares with Wing Chun? If so please elaborate. Thanks.
jiyasa just dont diss what you cant you beat.. wanna stand infront of him while he's doing it? you'll find out if its a kick or not.. and if bruce saw that, bet he would acknowledge those as kicks coz as i sed,if he would have thot of that 7 kick concept back then he would use it for demonstration.. do you actualy think a human being would do that in a fight? if you do, what kind of half witt raised you?haha
el mastero..maybe i dont understand tkd so much but i do have friends that take it up, and show me what they do in training and their kicks. they do have lead kicks but they said its not really used as an initial wepon.what i meant by telegraphic rear stance is;your dominant leg(maybe your right leg) is in the rear or behind,to give your kick more power cause it has more distance to launch from thus gaining more momentum as a lead kick. therefore making the kick a more anticipated one by your opponent.. you cant distribute dominancy.(your 50/50 statement) 1 leg always has to be inferior.its a known fact that the brain has a stronger control to process and manipulate 1 side of your body. i did say you guys do have lead aswell but as i heard majority of the kicks come from the rear for more power. maybe you my friends know all those side kicks aswell but showed me the mainly used 1(rear side kick). all martial arts for sports are good for sports..coz i did spar wid my tkd friend and all i got was rear and at a certain point in the start when he delivered a round house. i intercepted his roundhouse by a side to the solarplexus.. so i say keep it for sport..
jkd is not modified wing chun. it just has strong influences from wing chun,western boxing and fencing. thats cause i never took wing chun..(you might say im no good a fighter,since i dont have any knowledge of wing chun,i do but i dont apply it) i know joey can do wing chun.. but if wing chun was so effective y would bruce lee have to make create his martial art with a bit of other variations? get my point? i know the concept of trapping was from wing chun..bruce lee got what is essential and combined and united them to form jkd, if joey taught a bit of wing chun then he's just seperating again what bruce put together.. get my point again? ill post the way i define, describe and my comments of jkd in a while.
Ok, first off a kick does not have to "touch the ground" between kicks to be effective. Case in point I've Often used "double kicking" in sparring to good effect. The first kick is simply used to draw the opponent's attention low and then I kick to the head. Kind of PIA, only not exactly.
That said I think there should be some purpose in what your doing. Yeah, I can throw 7 "flicky" kicks in a second without any kind of form. Does it mean anything though? Just because I can throw 7 useless kicks in 1 second does that necessarily mean I can throw one useful solid kick in 1/7 of a second? Personally I liked the "coin kick" demo version better for that reason. While you can't tell how solid a kick is from kicking a coin at least that kick looked usable.
LMAO!! Oh yes, I'm sure it is quite hard to flick your ankle seven times.
"wanna stand infront of him while he's doing it?"
No comment, LOL!
"you'll find out if its a kick or not.. and if bruce saw that, bet he would acknowledge those as kicks coz as i sed,if he would have thot of that 7 kick concept back then he would use it for demonstration.."
Surely kiddo, surely... *rolls eyes
" do you actualy think a human being would do that in a fight? "
Remember, YOU said that, not me..
"if you do, what kind of half witt raised you?haha"
Don't try to call me an idiot, when you can't even construct a sentence. I can type more coherantly with my penis. F,ucking incredible..
"Ok, first off a kick does not have to "touch the ground" between kicks to be effective. Case in point I've Often used "double kicking" in sparring to good effect. The first kick is simply used to draw the opponent's attention low and then I kick to the head. Kind of PIA, only not exactly."
In TKD they're called kicking combinations. You can throw a kick (any kick) that starts from the ground and hits a target, then if you chamber the kick you can deliver another kick be it the same kick or another kick altogether. AKA kicking combinations. If you Chamber the kick then you don't have to drop it to redeliver it.
Here's a sparring match I had. I threw a stepping hook kick with the LEAD leg. As my oppononent leaned back to avoid the hook kick to the head, I chambered the leg. He then went in for a strike and from chamber I struck him with a round kick to the face. My foot never touched the ground.
Regards,
El Mastero
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