Do you mean defending in the middle of a blast or before it starts. Because if you are in the middle of getting blasted, it's nearly impossible to stop.
Well against a guy who knows how to straight blast it's basically impossible. All your counter attacks will become intercepted, if you try to side-step the person can simply angle the blast in a different direction, if you try to cover up boxing style that sets up an easy clinch, if you try a kick you will be falling down (for obvious reasons), and you cant really jump as far away as possible from the blast either, because a person who can do good straight blasts knows how to maintain good forward pressure and you won't get a chance. This is why the straight blast is so effective. It's still stoppable, but not when it's already occuring. It's like asking: "How do I stop someone from breaking my bone once they have me in a lock?" Chances are, if this guy properly applied the lock you are not stopping it. The real question is: "How do I prevent this?"
This message has been edited by Masamune_77 on Jan 25, 2004 3:43 PM
I might be sounding like this is an easy thing to do (but it's not) if your opponent is smart.. he wouldnt deliver the cross if he aint sure the punch is gonna connect..(unless he's stupid..)hehe so dont get to the point that he could deliver a leading straight then his follow-ups,just get him before he gets you.. but in defense in the middle of a straight blast, basically your screwed or you can give desperation hits to his groin while covering up.. or slide step retreating...
LOL! Yeah, go try a groin kick when being straight blasted and see how fast you fall and end up getting grounded and pounded. Kicking is the stupidest defense you could ever try to do against an incoming blast.
This message has been edited by Masamune_77 on Jan 25, 2004 11:36 PM
I find that the best defense for a straight blast is either a jump spinning back kick, jump spinning crescent kick or a jump spinnin hook kick. Just be sure that your opponent starts blasting from about 12 feet away. lol
LOL You are screwed if the blast is already in motion by someone that can competently execute it while you are on the receiving end of it. The only thing that I can think of to get out of it will put you in a vulnerable position, but will get you out of the way of the blast. Here it is: you are already backpeddling from the pressure of alternate vertical punches being thrown at you so you could use the direction of being pushed in to slightly crouch and jump back to push yourself back even faster than you are going to knock yourself on your back on the ground. He might stop or he might follow you to the ground in which you could get him into your guard. Then you better know your BJJ. LOL Like I said, this will leave you in a vulernable position but it most likely will get you out of the path of the blast because with the blast you have to be standing.
This message has been edited by Lenmaster on Jan 26, 2004 6:12 PM
Start Blasting Back? That would be a messy fight; It's just like the last minute in round 12 in a pro boxing match. Who ever connects the most and hardest punches, WINS!
Try side steping right, while blasting. Once/If you can create space, then Side Kick him.
This is a tuff question, but that would be my response in that situation.
I sparred a guy tonight and tried that and it worked
beautifully. I had read that the other day on another forum. I just threw my lead arm sloppily into the blast and it just withered into nothing. I could tell the guy was suprised because i'm rather new to JKD and he thought he was gonna teach me a good lesson. Although we were wearing boxing gloves so that helped muck things up too.
That was a slick move there Styles! Sometimes the best way to avoid an attack is to go INTO the attack. Slip/duck into stop hit, I have made that work here and there in a couple sparring sessions. Once, a partner of mine was sparring with me, and came in with a left straight cross to my face. I angled myself slightly to the right, and it slipped by my face as I blasted him good with a right straight to the nose. He had to sit down after that one! The point? Once commited to a path of attack, the opponent probably won't be able to change course midway, and so slipping into an opening can be done, effectively doing a stop hit. That is to my experience anyway.
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This message has been edited by Zub-Zub on Jan 27, 2004 9:28 PM
let's not forget footwork like quick retreat & lateral movement is key to evasion and FULL body movement. Alot of styles do not use proper feetwork. As far as spin kicks, these are bad against a fighter like that. I can either just get out of the way of you & blast in for a take down or just stop kick the leading ass cheek and end the kick, leaving my opponent with his back turned. It depends on the footwork of the other person whether they are mirroring you or not, keep your hands up and tight and blast in the same, elbows and eye jabs help, but the is alot of combo's. Duck bob slip weave also play in. It is alot harder to hit a moving target so keep moving! Alot of fighters say that if you kick at me you go down, one or several toe tip kicks are very powerfull kicks to the abdomen or? will slow him down and can be very quick, just use feet work like the quick retreat or JKD feetwork in general to evade.
stand flat footed and stay in one place and bear the full brunt of the assailants straightblast.
This message has been edited by nwfish on Jan 27, 2004 10:47 PM
I cant remember where I saw it, it may have been chihand.com. The post mentioned throwing a towel into the motor as an analogy.
As for structure, what do you think of learning the Sil Lum Tao form? I've heard alot about this as being
a great learning tool for structure. I've also read that some think it's useless, any thoughts on this?
It is rediculous for anyone to say it is useless, wing chun moves are very effective. I feel that if someone sais it is useless, they have never applied it or have no real understanding of wing chun as a whole. Siu Nin Tao, "Little Idea" the first boxing set of the Yip Man Wing Chun Kuen system
It is Wing Chun's foundation, this first form has alot of the hand motions found in the Wing Chun system. 108 movements are done from the training stance (or "horse", with no turning of the waist or horse. as to learn to maintain relaxation, and execute quick, springy punches. Siu Nin Tao is a good thing for anyone to learn & I enjoyed all of it, along with Chum Kiu, "Searching for the Bridge" , Biu Jee, "Flying Fingers"
then you have two weapons sets "Six and a half pole & Eight cutting knives". Any part of wing Chun is good but all parts are better, Especially if you plan to incorporate JKD concepts!
The Sil Lum Tao is excellent! There are MANY, MANY things you can learn from this form.
The form is NOT a set of techniques, it is a set of principles beautifully put together. If you want to learn the structural principles there are so many hidden in here.
Most people think that it's either no good, or there's very little to learn from it... I'm very grateful to an excellent teacher!
This message has been edited by simonlarcombe on Jan 28, 2004 11:26 AM
How many styles of Wing-Chun are there? I heard that there are more then just the Yip Man Wing-Chun, Yip Man is just the more popular and mass produced style.
I thought I read somewhere that there is a Style of Wing-Chun that isnt as fancy as Yip-Mans Wing Chun, it has less techniques to learn and only 1 fist form. This to me sounds even better, because you can get to the heart of techniques and really train them, with little or no forms to learn.
The thing is, the straightblast shouldn't be a seperate technique itself. Look at it this way, the straightblast is straightfists launching at you as the body charges in extremely fast. doesn't this sound familiar? Just about all fights are THIS. the straightblast can be looked at as a fight, it has the same atmosphere. therefore if you think you can't defend a straightblast, how can you expect to defend in a fight? the throwing the towel in is a very good tactic, and that's basically what i do. I think we should look at the straightblast as a principle to apply to all types of tools, not just a set move that we do every now and then.
You wana get outa the way while doing damage, setting up your win. So..
Up your Elbows! it will make contact the fists and probably damage/null them, while you move with a paceful retreating side step to any sides, as your elbows make contact with oncoming fists. Try to get this technique, its the simplest, and battle tested. (Destroyed many new JKDers trying to use it on me )
How come nonya guys above got a good suggestion? Its true if the SB is already executed and done its job, its over. But w're talking about moment you know its coming, or will come (as this guy youre sparring uses it lot) and need to defend/counter it.
Throw in the towel? then what? the fight continues? or you guys trap each other around and repeat dancing? No!
The question here is how to defend against a straight blast once it has been initiated, (i.e. once contact has been made). Well, I’d have to say defending against it is no different (in principle) than dealing against any other rapid fire combination of hand strikes. The danger in either situation is the possibility of getting moved backwards. Whether you’re knocked back or intentionally retreating, once your weight is moving away from the attacker, (and thus, in the same direction as his forward momentum), it makes it very hard to regroup.
This is where having a good on guard is so important. Keeping your knees bent, your chin low, and your weight slightly forward gives you a decided advantage. Also having your hands already high goes a long way towards preventing a knock out.
If these factors are a part of your normal on guard, just lean forward and cover up. Like any punch, those thrown from a straight blast can be smothered by closing the distance.
Cover, smother and clinch, short and sweet. Basic boxing, really.
