I have a point to make in reference to the argument of NHB not being real fighting, and how street fighting is the real deal. Exactly how do you train for the street fight?

Bruce Lee preached that a good Martial Artist should incorporate live contact sparring into their training regemine. He insisted that people glove up or shut up. Training against a non-willing apponent was the only way to accurately asses your skills and techniques.

With that being said, how on earth can some of you (I have ran across a few of these threads lately) say that ring fighting won't prove anything? And that if you practice for the ring, when the time comes, you will revert back to the skills and techniques of the ring and get your ass handed to you. That completely doesn't make sense. Not to mention that it would be impractical to practice eye gouges and strikes to vital areas in a "spar". Point blank, if you can fight in the ring, you can fight anywhere.

Please don't give me that argument of "the street is real" B.S., "there is more on the line, so a seasoned street fighter would annihilate a seasoned NHB'er". Let me ask you this, would you rather face Ken Shamrock in a ring or on the street? Ring myself, at least I am assured that the unholly assbeating he would hand down to me, would theoretically end at some point and time!

Finally, if you exclude ring style training, just exactly where do you get any experience? Do you street fight every few days?

Matt

P.S. Before anyone asks, YES I spar!

It hurts really bad to pee, and Im getting really nervous.

Maybe you should see a doctor.

Sounds like urinary tract infection. =o

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So, does this mean TKD (Also Hapkido) fighters can fight on the street too? They do a lot of sparring and competitions. Karate Fighter are almost as equal. Tai Chi fighters use their Chi Sau against resisting opponents and they even compete against other Tai Chi Fighters; they Chi-Sau till death!!! LoL (kidding).

What other "styles" regularly spar and compete? All types Kung-Fu artists from all the 5 animals compete.

Why don't/do these fighters do well in a fight? I know we are all human with 2 legs and 2 arms, but "style" DOES play an important role. The "styles" that do well, are the ones that evolve and change with the times. For example, Savate used to resemble TKD and the French and the Boxing English always disputed on which style was the best, they had competitions in and out of the ring to see which style was the best. First, the French beat the English, and then the English beat the French... so now Savate is a combo of the two. The same goes for Kick Boxing and Brazilian Jui-jitsu (Grappling in general), the Grapplers said they can beat all Strikers, so they fight it out, now Kick Boxers (Strikers) have added Grappling to their style.

Anyways, No, “Self-defense” street fighters say they can beat ring competitors. In this case, the Street Fighters will find that their conditioning is not as good the Ring fighters and their coordination skills are sluggish against a good ring fighter. Therefore, the Street Fighter will lose to the Prize Fighter, almost all the time. So, the Street Fighter and the Ring fighter must learn from each other training methods. This equation will always stay constant. “If you can’t beat them, join them.”

What was the question again? It hurts when you pee? Go see a doctor.


Phases ®

phases- not that it much matters however, if you are going to make a point atleast be accurate on what you are cutting up..

Wing Chun uses Chi Sao
Tai Chi uses push hands

Though the concepts are similar they are both very different excercises..

You should drink alot of water everyday, 2litres or more, that should fix it quickly, pure water not juice.

Phases, what the hell are you blaberring on about? You start off on one point and go onto another, without having really clarified your position.

I am sure it makes sense to you, please help the rest of us to understand.


Question everything, Know nothing.

Wing Chun also uses a variant of push hands. Its called tui sau if I am not mistaken.

Yup, correction, Push Hands.

If you don't understand, re-read. All I'm saying is that the two schools of thought should learn from each other instead of saying that THIS way is better then THAT. Keep an open mind... empty your tea cup... and all that jazz.

Phases ®

Phases makes some excellent points. Consider that many street fighters can't beat prize fighters in the ring. They use the excuse of "sport fights have rules, I can't WIN with RULES".

Meanwhile, they aren't considering that the very rules that they couldn't win under likely saved them their lives (had it been a street fight). The street guys tend to forget that the prize fighters can fight dirty as well....


-John

First if you practice and also train live training. Such as light medium contact with a resistive partner. You will come closer to weather a street fight better. A street fight has no rules. And the person has to have the heart to go on. Yes many street fighters do not have the conditioning to go for a long fight. But they go fast and try to end it fast. It can you take a punch and keep on going. Can you hurt the person enough to end that fight. Not just hit him. But have to hurt him. Why well there are alot of drugs on the street now. And drugs give a little more effert to fight back and numb the body as well. So to stop someone like that you have to be willing to do what you have to. Some would call it the killer instinct. And the name fits. Now ring fighting has rules. But it has skills. A boxer well they have good hands better then most street fighters. A M/A that trains and fights in the rings has a little more sometimes. So you have a fare chance on the streets. But say you do not do much live training. You have not been preesured to perform. without at least close active training you have less skill in a real fight. So I would say Skill and heart are both what you need in any fight. Without either you decrease your odds.

Train for the street

fight(spar) in a NHB competition with rules

then when it is for real fight with no rules