While working in Corrections, I have done just that. I had thrown a flurry of Muay Thai style round kicks to the thigh's and it has stopped an aggressive situation many times. However, in the street I have not thrown anything like this. Most of the time things happen too fast to think about attacking a leg or that area. I think to be honest, if you were to break someones leg in a street fight your gonna be facing some serious Law Suit's and crimal alegations whether your in the right or not. I guess it would all depend on the judge and your motives.
This just recently happend.. My cousin was attacked about 2 weeks ago against an assailant with a knife and he has had some martial arts training and done some knife defense he ended up with a small 3" wound on his stomach from the knife but he managed to fend off any fatal or more drastic knife wounds. Anyway he was arrested and the arresting officer told him, since he took martial arts he was in a different catagory as to the average person on the street anyway to make along story short....HE spent a week in jail they let him out on his own Recognisance, but the judge told him he's looking at approx 3 yrs on Prob. and house arrest... Im like that is such BS the dude was defending himself....The incident that led up to this whole thing was over his Sister that started the whole thing.....its just another reality check for martial artist..Defend yourself get shafted.....I mean the arts saved his ass to a sense of no real major damage but the LAW will get you if the killer doesnt.
Best thing you can do is just walk away if you are able too....you stand up for your beliefs and try to be a hero and you find out real quick that the GOV in which we live will stab you in the back.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 1 2004, 12:21 PM
Hello!
I have broken a few legs in my time (in streetfight situations). I have executed a side kick into someone's leg just above the kneecap and watched the leg bend the other way! Fight over! It was two on one and they had knives so the degree of damage to them was the least of my worries!
Leg kicks are excellent fight enders, but you have to be accurate and your timing has to be good. Just like everything else, train, train, train!
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 1 2004, 3:28 PM
Broke a leg twice, both against straight or at least non-resisting legs. One with a Thai kick to the outer side of the knee, the other with a chasse just above the knee.
As for finishing without breaking, techniqually three times, though one of those times I didn't stop after he was down and could obviously not get back up, but I mounted him and gave him a nice "ground and pound" anyway because I was really pissed. That fight was stopped with a Thai kick to the inner knee, the other with a Thai kick to the inner calf/ankle (if you've ever been kicked there you'd know just how good of a fight ender it is), and the third was thanks to several straight kicks, all above my opponents left knee I think, and hitting the same spot every time.
The other fights I've been in (that I won) were finished with my hands.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 1 2004, 4:05 PM
No, I havent... I always ended fights with punches. I've never broken anyones knee's, but I have fractured someones nose with a punch.
Thats another reason why I don't tell my friends or assocaiates that I train in martial arts, unless I fully trust my friend. If you ever got into a fight with someone that knows you are a Martial Artist, they will proabally scream bloody murder to the Judge. Keep your training a secret, and most of the problems that occure from being a "Fighter" will be gone. Trust me... It's not worth being a show off.
Phases ®
This message has been edited by Phases on Apr 1, 2004 4:12 PM
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 1 2004, 9:17 PM
Damnit, totally forgot. I was thinking pure low kicks, because that's what I mostly do.
But I did end three fights with kicks above the waist. One with a thai kick to the head, one with a side kick to the head, and one with a front kick into the solar plexus.
Plus there's knees, I ended a few fights with knees.
Lol, I fight too much. Well hey that's what happens when you live in an utterly f*cked up neighborhood filled with ego-loaded hot heads and criminal f*cks who have to rob others to get by. Whole reason I got into JKD actually.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 2 2004, 12:50 AM
I wouldn't have a clue if my leg kicks finished the fight because I don't wait to find out. Straight after I kick I'm straight in attacking with punches, elbows knees etc.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 2 2004, 2:46 AM
I've only had one fight that ended with kicks. I was kicking the legs but this did not stop the guy I was fighting. What ended the fight was a side kick to the midsection which the person tried to block with their arm. Their arm was sprained from the kick. They didn't quit until about 2 or 3 minutes later, I guess the pain had kicked in. This was a fight where I was simply trying to defend myself and was trying to only injur to degree to end the fight.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 2 2004, 12:14 PM
Hi Guys!
I kicked a guy in the stomach one time and barely got my leg out of the way before he puked all over the place! The fight ended immediately! I guess he must have eaten recently. I'm just glad I didn't wear his dinner home!
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 2 2004, 12:48 PM
Naz How can you not know if you finished a fight with a kick or not?
Generally if my kick is a finishing move I know it. I feel the connection, the power through my opponent. If I have finished the opponent with a kick I stop (apart from if i really want to hurt them).
Do you not have any control? or do you kick, punch and hope for the best?
Your statement is a bit confusing. I am asuming that your answer to the thread question is "no"; you have not finished a fight with a kick. Thats no biggy, I've never finished a fight with a choke..er.. actually I have, but not with an elbow!!.
I am just interested, what was the point in making that statement? It did not answer the question, so whats it all about aye, aye, aye.... aye.
P.S before anyone says anything, i am being a pedant because I am bored.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 2 2004, 5:45 PM
"Do you not have any control? or do you kick, punch and hope for the best?"
Control is completely useless in a real fight, you have to be brutal and ballistic. You're not thinking about controlling your attacks, you're only thinking about destroying your opponent before he destroys you.
"Thats no biggy, I've never finished a fight with a choke..er.. actually I have, but not with an elbow!!."
The elbow'ss, knee's, and head are the three most devastating tools your body has to offer when it comes to striking. Many fights were ended with the use of my in-fighting tools after learning JKD.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 3 2004, 6:22 AM
I appreciate what you are saying Masamune. However control does not mean you sit and wait to see what happens after every move, it means you know what you are doing not blindly kicking and punching.
When we fight we do not always have to be a mad hurricane. A few well place hits, nice footwork moving in and out of the opponent will also suffice. This does not mean that you should slow down, it means you use speed in the appropriate places. Haste and speed are two different things.
I also appreciate that elbows knees headbutts are very dangerous and useful but I have never needed to use them in agression or in sparring to the extent that I would knock my apponent out.
I suppose some sparring has been stopped because I went in a little too hard with the elbow but I try to limit my use of elbows when training as it is quite dangerous. Still usually I will finish with punching or a kick or a submission.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 4 2004, 8:16 AM
Just because the answer I gave wasn't what you wanted doesn't mean I didn't answer the question.
It does make sense. It's impossible to know if your kick will end it. You can't just do a kick and go "yes this will end it" saying that is ridiculous.
You don't kick him and stand there to see if it beat him. You kick him and keep going with your attacks.
It has nothing to do with "lack of control". How does kicking someone then continuing the flurry show "lack of control".
The fights I've been in, I kicked at the legs, as they were stumbling or falling or whatever, I used that opportunity to straightblast or grab them and continue the brawl.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 4 2004, 1:57 PM
"It does make sense. It's impossible to know if your kick will end it. You can't just do a kick and go "yes this will end it" saying that is ridiculous."
It takes about 2 or 3 seconds to realize if the guy you just kicked is getting back up or not. If he tries getting back up you have more then enough time to finish it with another kick (perhaps a foot stomp) to his head, or ground and pound him, etc. Remember, you must use your skills to stop the threat, however, over-using them may result in you being arrested. If you can see, for example, that the thai kick you just slammed into the inner-side of his calf/ankle levelled him and the look of pain on his face tells you he's not getting back up, that's your chance to run away or even walk away (how's he going to chase after you with a leg like that anyway?). Not all fights have to be ended with knock outs or limb breaks.
Plus you have to think about who you're fighting, we're not robots, we're humans. And if he's sober and just got his leg crushed by a very powerful kick, do you really think he'll have the balls to try and attack you anymore?
This message has been edited by Masamune_77 on Apr 4, 2004 2:00 PM
"Control is completely useless in a real fight, you have to be brutal and ballistic. You're not thinking about controlling your attacks, you're only thinking about destroying your opponent before he destroys you."
Control DOES matter in a real fight, in this day and age. If you do not control yourself and kill your attacker, you could do some serious jail time, Like in an earlier post. The law can stab you in the back, even if you are fighting for a good cause, like your own defense and life. If you learn how to control your power, you could easily stop your attacker without seriously injuring him, or even control him. Self-control is a higher discipline than just hitting all out.
Just my opinion.
This message has been edited by Trevor357 on Apr 4, 2004 2:38 PM
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 4 2004, 2:47 PM
"Control DOES matter in a real fight, in this day and age. If you do not control yourself and kill your attacker, you could do some serious jail time, Like in an earlier post. The law can stab you in the back, even if you are fighting for a good cause, like your own defense and life. If you learn how to control your power, you could easily stop your attacker without seriously injuring him, or even control him. Self-control is a higher discipline than just hitting all out."
Knowing when a fight is over is different from control of attacks. Guess what, when you have a 300 pound, drunk juggernaut running at you with a broken beer bottle in one hand, and a clenched fist, with fingers wrapped with sharp metal rings for the other hand at the local bar, you are NOT going to be thinking about how much power to put into your attacks, you will be thinking about surviving, nothing more.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 5 2004, 2:22 AM
Christ man, stop nitpicking. It's annoying.
I'm simply saying that I don't do one attack. My kick is the entry to my punches and elbows etc. The only times I've taken people out where when I did a burning step sidekick to the stomach area and when I was in a fight with a few people I threw kicks out every now and again as a seperate move. However, the topic was about ENDING THE FIGHT WITH A KICK TO THE LEGS.
And whenever I attack the legs, I don't expect them to fall down and be KO'ed because of the adrenaline running through the body. Therefore, My kick is mainly just an enter I use, or just something I add in while I'm punching the hell out of them.
Now I'm expecting you to reply with some meaningless crap like "but naz, you mustn't be hasty, you must be fast" sh!t like that means squat in real fights. Same as all that "lop sau doesn't pull down, it pulls across the centreline" bulldick.
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 5 2004, 6:40 AM
Woohoo. Something sensible from you at last. I'm sorry about the nitpicking can't help it, I am a pedant about such things lol. I just thought it would be nice to hear you answer the question. was not so bad no was it lol. (sorry in a funny mood lately).
Re: Have you ever finished a fightby kicking at someones legs
April 6 2004, 5:01 PM
Jack, stop arguing with Naz!! Don't you know he'll hunt you down with his sparring buddy (though I doubt sparring is the only thing they do together, if you know what I mean) and slap, pinch and bite you to death!! Hell he might even use the pepper spray stashed in his purse!
