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need some help on a question

April 4 2004 at 1:57 AM
  (Login blade3k2)

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how do i lose my fear of losing ? its like whenever im in a confrontation i get an extreme fear of losing which limits my abilitys cause i panic. is there anyway of me stopin this fear and gaining like a killer instanct ?


her is an example of what i would fel,

first i would get nervouse and feel like a tingly feelin throughout my whole body, then i will start thinkin weather i would win or lose but most of my thought is spent on hopin i dont lose and thinkin what would happen if i did. so if anyone knows how i can help solve this problem of mine i would gladly appreciate it.


 
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Masamune
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Re: need some help on a question

April 4 2004, 3:20 AM 

Fear due to loss of respect: Lose your ego, learning to do that must be something you find out by yourself.

Fear due to injury: Full contact, minimal equipment sparring is my best advice on overcoming that fear.

Furthermore, keep in mind that the more skilled you become the more confident you will become. This is a simple fact.

 
 

(Login blade3k2)

Re: need some help on a question

April 4 2004, 3:47 AM 

when u say loss of respect what do u mean >?


thanxs by the way

 
 
Masamune
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Re: need some help on a question

April 4 2004, 1:20 PM 

Loss of respect... for example:

You are with five friends when some punk decides he wants to challenge you to a fight. Everyone witnessing this event knows you, and you are afraid to lose because you don't want to look weak in front of the others.

Btw, I never said this was happening to you. However, I have noticed that this is a big reason for fear in fights.

 
 

(Login blade3k2)

Re: need some help on a question

April 4 2004, 1:46 PM 

that does sound like something that would happen to me, i would be afraid of losing in front of everyone i guess i have no humility ,

 
 
Masamune
(Login Masamune_77)

Re: need some help on a question

April 4 2004, 2:03 PM 

No need to feel bad, everyone experiences this. However, you must find your own way to deal with it.

 
 
SAS
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Re: need some help on a question

April 4 2004, 8:29 PM 

Yer this is something that everyone needs to sort out inside them.

"It is a great mistake to anticipate the out come of the engagement,
You ought not to think whether it ends in victory or defend,
but let nature takes its course and your tools will strike at the right moment."

- Bruce Lee


When you fight you need to empty your mind of these thoughts. Ultimately it comes down to the individual. Maybe you just have to lose a fight in front of people to get rid of your nerves/ego.
Everyone loses a fight, even Bruce (the fight that made him take wing chun).



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(Login jiyasa)

Re: need some help on a question

April 5 2004, 2:33 AM 

I hate it when people say "you must lose your ego, the way to do it is to find out on your own" What they mean is "I have no idea how to do it, I'm just quoting bruce lee".

If you want to be less afraid, you need to spar. Learning to take hits and get your ass whooped in sparring is the quickest way. Getting used to full contact sparring will prepare you for real fighting. Hey it worked for me, I had the same problem as you years ago, and after full contact sparring I'm not that afraid of fighting.

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Anonymous
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Re: need some help on a question

April 5 2004, 5:43 PM 

Maybe you just have to lose a fight in front of people to get rid of your nerves/ego.
Everyone loses a fight, even Bruce (the fight that made him take wing chun).

- Or as Naz said full contact sparring.

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Masamune
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Re: need some help on a question

April 5 2004, 8:25 PM 

"I hate it when people say "you must lose your ego, the way to do it is to find out on your own" What they mean is "I have no idea how to do it, I'm just quoting bruce lee".

If you want to be less afraid, you need to spar. Learning to take hits and get your ass whooped in sparring is the quickest way. Getting used to full contact sparring will prepare you for real fighting. Hey it worked for me, I had the same problem as you years ago, and after full contact sparring I'm not that afraid of fighting."

There's a difference between fear of getting hurt and fear of losing. One is emotional and mental, while the other is physical... moron.


    
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JKDPrince
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Dude..

April 5 2004, 10:43 PM 

You two guys need to wuit bein pricks to each other. I love what both of you guys have to offer, and they're both helpful. Neither one of you are right, because human beings have things called opinions. So just think to yourself, "Wow, that guys thinks weird" instead of "that piece of **** doesnt think like me, hes a moron".


Now that thats over. When you say full contact sparring you mean like, with gear on or like just beatin the hell outta some of your friends?

 
 
naz
(Login jiyasa)

Re: need some help on a question

April 6 2004, 7:19 AM 

My my, Masamune/Alec/Berserk, is that all you got? I don't care whether you call it mental or physical, the fact is, sparring IS the most realistic way to simulate fighting, it will reduce fear OF ANY SORT.

I find it sad how instead of commenting on the key aspect of my post, you chose to nitpick the definition of fear and threw in a little high school "insult" hoping that it would somehow justify what you said. Contrary to what you may believe, all it did was prove to me that you are the biggest idiot I have ever had the misfortune of typing to on the internet.

I won't be responding anymore, I've already helped the man with his problem, therefore I have no more need to post in this thread. You can write me down on your "win list" if you like, I can play along, kid.




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Masamune
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Re: need some help on a question

April 6 2004, 4:44 PM 

"My my, Masamune/Alec/Berserk, is that all you got? I don't care whether you call it mental or physical, the fact is, sparring IS the most realistic way to simulate fighting, it will reduce fear OF ANY SORT."

Uh huh... so when you're afraid to lose because of those around you who will make fun of you, and call you weak and what not, the best answer is getting the sh!t kicked out of you in sparring (rolls eyes sarcastically)? When you're afraid to lose because you're afraid of someone being better then you. Not implying you're afraid to get hurt, but that you can't stand the thought of someone being better then you, getting the sh!t kicked out of you in sparring is the answer (rolls eyes again)? Well you sure have a narrow-minded view of what fear is.

"I find it sad how instead of commenting on the key aspect of my post, you chose to nitpick the definition of fear and threw in a little high school "insult" hoping that it would somehow justify what you said. Contrary to what you may believe, all it did was prove to me that you are the biggest idiot I have ever had the misfortune of typing to on the internet."

People are afraid for different reasons, fear is caused by different reasons, everyones mind and body is different, everyone must seek ways of eliminating fear. You're stating ONE way of eliminating the fear of being PHYSICALLY HURT for ALL people, you pathetically closed-minded fool.

High school insult? Funny how when someone calls you a name the most you can say is that they are a kid. Even though 80 year olds may cuss, and swear, insult, and use the word moron... you moron.

"I won't be responding anymore, I've already helped the man with his problem, therefore I have no more need to post in this thread. You can write me down on your "win list" if you like, I can play along, kid."

LOL!!! That's all I have to say.

 
 
JKDPrince
(Login JKDPrince)

Diagnosis Discovered

April 6 2004, 9:19 PM 

You guys are both suffering from selective reading, hypocrism, and narrow-mindedness. Obviously you both just looked over my post and went on to your childish bickering. Lets look at this in a very easy way to look at it just for you two.

1)Narrow-mindedness-You both ACCUSE each other of being narrow-minded because you two do not agree. This is an example of narrow-mindedness and hypocracy all rolled into one. You say the other is narrow-minded because he doesn't agree with you while at the same time saying he is WRONG and you are RIGHT.

2)Selective Reading-You guys only see what you could maybe attack each other for what they write and never commend each other for the good points they make. Also, as I stated earlier, you both over-looked my post.


C'mon guys, you both have lots to offer, and yeah, there is a WHOLE LOT OF things that could be done. If i used you two morons ways of thinking, I would say you're both wrong, he just needs his friends to tell him how awesome he is and make him think he's invincible. That would work, but i wouldn't recommend it, both of you are right and both of you are wrong, accept it.


 
 
Masamune
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Re: need some help on a question

April 6 2004, 9:27 PM 

Well that was utterly unnecassary...

Look bud, don't try to be our teachers and guide us into the light. We won't listen to you. Is it because we're closed-minded? Perhaps, though I don't think I am, at least not in most aspects (maybe thinking that makes me closed-minded, but sh!t I don't want to start analyzing the crap out of everything like some people on this forum do).

The fact is, Naz stated one way to do something, and said it was the only way. He also stated that what I said was wrong. You don't see why I argued this? Am I not permitted to argue on a f*cking internet forum? Isn't that why forums were created? To share and debate idea's and opinions? Telling us not to argue here is like telling someone not to use his feet in soccer. Plus, he and I have a lot of history together, we've been virtually beating the sh!t out of each other on forums for a long time, I don't know about him but I for one love it and have lots of fun with all the arguing.


    
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(Login jiyasa)

Re: need some help on a question

April 7 2004, 1:24 AM 

I looked back at my post and I fail to find anywhere where I stated "you are wrong" or "my way is the only way" or "you are narrow-minded".

I won't bother commenting on your comment on my post as you are clearly missing the bigger picture and have no idea what I'm trying to say.

Not only are you quoting things that I haven't even said, but you're also lying, c'mon, we all know you get pissed off when people disagree with you. You don't find anything "fun" about it. Just drop the act, kid.

Sad..



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Curt
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Ego

April 9 2004, 11:09 PM 

Your ego is what others percieve you to be. It is your status in life, and what you own. It is the need to always be right. "To lose your ego" is to free yourself from the idea that these thing are what you are.

 
 
jkddragon
(Login jkddragon)

Re: need some help on a question

April 11 2004, 3:43 PM 

Curt, I wouldn't waste your time with them. Let them fight. They wouldn't do it if they didn't enjoy it. As far as egos go.....a lot of young guys have it and it's very natural. Older women go through menopause like young guys go through egotistical and testosterone matches whether they are physical, verbal, or what have you. It's part of growing up trying to set a status for yourself and making yourself look assured and correct in your thinking and opinion. They are not ready to give up their egos cause that would show vulnerability and God forbid if that happens! There are not a lot of people on this site that I can think of that have the maturity of saying "yeah, I guess you are right" or "I was wrong". Everybody is in such a rush to show each other why they have an answer for everything instead of listening, keeping an open mind, and learning.


    
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naz
(Login jiyasa)

Re: need some help on a question

April 11 2004, 9:29 PM 

"Stop fighting"? We stopped about a week ago. Stop trying to act like "the bigger man" by trying to moderate after things have settled.

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Anonymous
(Login blade3k2)

Re: need some help on a question

April 12 2004, 3:55 AM 

wow ive been gone for a few days i got alot of responses and i also see some disagrements lol , but thanx alot everyone.

by the way im not afraid of gettin hurt cause i can take a hit thas not a problem its just losing in front of people thas my problem but its not just in fightin its in anything its like im afraid to do certain things in front of crowds same goes for dancin etc....

 
 
naz
(Login jiyasa)

Re: need some help on a question

April 12 2004, 7:34 AM 

With practice it should go away.

Just like a person who does speeches after many years of doing it, they don't get nervous anymore. They gain the confidence.



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