Hey this is my first time posting here. I just want to know how you guys feel about BJJ and how it can be applied into JKD. What are your opinions on BJJ, is it effective for the street as well as JKD? It seems like JKD is more against ground fighting.
Well hello little francis, i believe that if you drink x lax you can achieve high standars when practicing BJJ. You see this little pee pee head tried to start a fight with me. I thaan knocked him out with a crowbar and drank x lax. while he was unconcoius i pryed open his mouth with my house keys and diahrriahed into his mouth. It smelled bad but i than started licking the doo doo of his lips because im a wierdo. also i like to chew on speaker wire in my spare time. Well francis, i hoped this helped you because your quest for going #1 and 2 into peoples mouth will be a automatic reflex.
I think BJJ is over rated, it's a high priced Judo club. If you wanna get back into your American roots and represent your country, then take up Catch Wrestling, stop jumping into the "Whore Position", flat on your back, be a man and take control of the fight, take control of your life, man.
I would say that some aspects of bjj are great for the street. Your aim, however should not be to get on the ground in a fight, but if you do get, you will easily control him and beat him if you know bjj(or any other grappling art) and he does not know anything.
Grappling arts should be learnt if you want to be confident in a fight. THe positions are very important. Also try not to get on your back.
BJJ is the king of ground fighting styles. There is not one position on the ground that the Gracies have either not seen, practiced, or know how to deal with. It is a complete ground system. When combined with the Judo techniques of Gene Lebell, Hayward Nishioka, and the Small Circle Jujitsu of Wally Jay that occupy the grappling aspect of Jeet Kune Do, Jeet Kune Do becomes an even more formidable martial art than it was before. Since Bruce's death and the start of the Concepts version of JKD, JKD has expanded and has become more and more well rounded and better to deal with the most up to date fighters and situations. I'm really happy with it's progress and open-mindness to continute to evolve and not stop with Bruce's death.
wasim, don't assume that your opponents arent trained fighting machines... you will never know for sure, untill it's too late. Most of the people that I know, have an idea about Grappling and the Gaurd to some extent, just from watching NHB events on T.V. There are some real freakz out there that have watched a little too much WWF and they will beat expereinced fighters with the dreaded "Chicken Wing" hold.
I would hate to get into a scrap with a Defence Men on some hockey team... those dudes are tuff as nails and what they lack in technique, they make it up with heart and conditioning.
Never expect that youre going to fight some limp noodle, because if he has the balls to start some $hit with you, then you know he's not fu*king around, he's playing for keeps. Confedence makes him 3 times as strong.
I feel that here, you are asking the wrong question. Indeed I have heared others ask simular questions. It is not important whether one styles fits or compliments another style. This is ridiculous. What I try to think of is whether what I am learning is helping me to improve in areas I need improving.
It is quite a common concept to see people going to boxing to learn punching, going to Muay Thai to learn kicking, knees elbows and clinch and going to BJJ to learn grappling. It is not necessarily wrong to do this, but one should take time to ponder whether they are doing this because the popular thought is, these are the best for the aforementioned ranges, i.e. there is a believe that each holds a secret to their respective ranges, or because you merely want to train with people who train in these ranges.
I believe there is a major difference in these two approaches. The first looks to others for answers, and the second tends to look within. I recommend the latter.
I give you an example of where the former approach becomes limited. There is a NHB club not to far from me. The instructor is a former Pro boxer as well as NHB guy. He was teaching that when someone is punching you, you should cover up as boxers do i.e. tuck in chin an elbows covering face and upper body. This is meant to protect for a moment before you come back with a flurry of your own. The problem with this concept is that it is a technique that comes from a sport that has loads of rules. To directly apply this to NHB is risky at the least. Why? Simply, because I can still kick your legs, hit your lower body, the back and top of the head. Hell I can elbow your wrists as they are exposed, which would probably fracture if not severly weaken you hands so that you drop the gaurd and find it hard to punch. When someone covers up like this they give me a gift as I see completely exposed individual. This technique only works in boxing rules where you use big gloves and can only hit a few designated areas.
So if you went to a boxing club to learn boxing you will pick up these habits. However if you went to a boxing club to practice your hand technique against someone elses then you will not necessarily pick these habits up.
Anyway I think I probably went off on a bit of a tangent as I usually do.
BJJ would aod to a rounding of the JKD tools. But also stand up tools improve BJJ. No art has all the answers. But each has a key to the puzzle. It boils down to what piece you need at the time. So yes BJJ can go hand and hand to JKD training. But remember it becomes personal extended training. Not now JKD by its self. Learn and grow.
Yes I am. I keep a small class . And keep an open mind. But believe JKD should stay somewhat intact. The future generations of JKD students. should have the chance to train and understand .What it by itself can offer. I do have a mix but keep it seperate from JKD. So not to confuse what is or not JKD. But each have a understanding of what they want .And do not want. JKD has several useful tools at most phases of combat. And it get down to hands on training that works in less time then some other arts. But the key is the person. In away JKD is hard to learn. Because the person needs to learn to relax not try .But just do. That key alone brings faster learning understanding. And bleeds over to all arts. In the end its like walking No one has to tell you how .You do not think which leg goes first then second . You just walk. Thats JKD or perhaps anything you ever know how to do. And the good deal is we learn forever. Instructors and students are the same.
Robert, you said... "I do have a mix but keep it seperate from JKD."
What styles have you incorperated into your own personal martial arts training?
I also believe that all these other arts shouldnt cross over into Jun Fan JKD. I mean, if you want to cross over and mix it up, you can, but don't try to name BJJ, Savate or Boxing, "Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do". Thats the way my instructor taught me and it's somthing I believe in.
Well I trained in several arts Of karate 4 to exact. made from 2nd degree to 5th degree blackbelts there. trained northern shaolin for about a year. learned some old style boxing from a mid 1930s boxer. And did not want to throw all this away. But gave up most of the tools as I learned JKD. So took what I wanted to keep added it to My JKD and like I said keep it as a seperate mix from JKD. I have studied other arts to but never made blackbelt in them. I call my mix Yang CHI DO. the way of the positive spirit. But do not really promote it I have taught a few people this But I like to stay with JKD mostly. I would rather say I do not know anything . Then say I know as we all learn to improve what we know. I have trained for over thirty years .And still like to say I know nothing. I do not train weapons much. Except kali sticks. In which I call short sticks. And nunchuckas in a defence format. no show. As in todays world The gun ends most weapon use. So body tools are there allways and hand held weapons are not. I also do some knife training but agin its not allways there or needed. Best I can say is JKD is a art worth training or at least looking into. And NO art is complete. The person has to find there needs .And a Art or path that meets those needs. Best is allways the person.And its a bumpy road that lasts a lifetime.
Robert, I agree with everything you are saying and I always enjoy reading your responses. We both have similar views on certain subjects.
"Yang CHI DO. The way of the positive spirit." It sounds interesting!
I have also been inspired by a few arts. It began with Chito-Ryu Karate (dabbled), American Kickboxing but my journey really began when I met an Asian fellow that trained in Wing Chun for 6 yrs and a various array of other Kung Fu styles (Praying Mantis/Hung Gar) in China. He taught me that there was more to fighting then just physical exertion (Such as Kick Boxing)... other attributes had to be acquired, such as being aware of your surroundings, intuition, gut feelings, thinking ahead of the situation and being alert-yet relaxed. My Instructor didn’t really teach me these things, he just made me more aware of the abilities that most humans have and don't really tap into because they don't try to understand it. This instructor spoke of Bruce Lee and at the time, I never really thought of Bruce Lee as an actual fighter or an instructor that created a personal style. I thought Bruce Lee was just another Van-Dam, on the big screen. Anyways, my instructor brought up Bruce Lee's name from time to time and I was becoming increasingly interested. I think he wanted me to understand JKD philosophies because he knew at the time I was confused with the many styles of martial arts that he exposed me to. I couldn’t decide which art to train in, because I liked everything he taught. Not only did he show me authentic Kung Fu, but we would always hang out at Martial Arts supply stores and check out different books on the styles from around the world. We also went to tournaments. On one of our monthly visits to the Kung Fu Supply store in China Town, I saw a poster for Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do. I took the plunge and trained in JFJKD and I still enjoy practicing those techniques. I have forgot most of the physical techniques from Praying Mantis, Wing Chun and Hung Gar, but I still have the mental, spiritual and intuition attributes of those styles. And to me, that is what JKD is all about. It's not acquiring 100's of new techniques from 20 styles of martial arts, it's about acquiring the mental attitude and training idea's found in those arts. It's like Boxers, some are great because they have an awesome work ethic when it comes to sparring and conditioning, a JKD man should utilize the same mind set. Or, the style of Hung Gar. Practitioners in this style use Isometrics as a way of becoming more powerful and they are aggressive like the Tiger. Or, Thai Boxing. These fighters condition their limbs to sustain great amounts of impact. Just like a Boxer, they spar and condition their bodies to perfection.
Anyways, I’m getting carried away! haha!!! I’m rambling on, as usual.
One last question, if you don't mind, who is/was your main JKD teacher. Was it a 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation instructor?
Phases ®
This message has been edited by Phases on May 25, 2004 9:14 PM
1st and second generation. I prefure not to go into names. Some people like one instructor some do not. And I do not debate names. I do not tell many people myself that I am an instructor. JKD is JKD I do what I do. I decide who I take as a student . And keep a small class .And some private students. Never plan to make any or much money But will not say that the few who make money teaching JKD are wrong .As if its good for them its there life. then some get just enough to pay the bills. I just try to understand what I do. And teach what I was taught. Then the mixed side well Its another thing that works for me also. I would rather say I am my students student. I can just guide them If they improve then they have taught me that I am understanding more .The goal I think should be the best instructor should have a better student. Not the instructor should allways stay better then the student. Because then he has failed.
