I know this has been viewed over and over again. I i am just wondering as far as for the people who do use trapping ( hand attacks) the only reason i put that is if i didnt i would get the you dont have to trapp with your hands but this is what i really am after in this post. Any ways do you pratice your trapping from a attach or dettach most of the time. I have with myself practing both ways when i work with people who have never done trapping before i practice attach for a while so the can feel the pressure and were to go with that pressure and later i go detach it seems make it easy for them to understand the idea. Anyways just looking for some ideas from the ones who like the trapping asspects.
It important to practice trapping from all possible reference points, using all possible energies and defenses to get the mechanics down. Once you have this part down, then you move out a bit and practice entering with a strike to gain the reference point. Training on the mook jong will tighten up your movements and develop your economical structure. Energy/sensitivity drills such as seong chi sao (double arm sticking hands) will teach you to better understand both defensive and offensive energies so you will know how to respond quickly with the correct trapping movements. Put all of this together with various functional application drills to help you fully develop your trapping application skills and you will have everything you need to be well on your way to great trapping abilities!
wouldn't having someone throw continuous punches with the intention to hit you add realism. for example have the trapping student stand up against a wall and have the attacker throw punches at the trapper. this method seems like it would develop trapping skills quickly.
i don't train trapping. trapping is an accesory that seems to add time for someone to hit you, while you are busy grabbing them. why not develop the abibilty to hit someone without trapping?
You do develop hitting skill to not just trap. Traps are a by product to hitting. remove obstructions. stop counters. trap as parrying. trap to enter through obstructions. But never just trap to trap. The person has a good guard. You may trap to enter his guard.He swings you slip parry ect. Trap as he is returning his punching arm back to his guard. and strike . You punch he blocks strikes back you trap the punching arm counter same if he slips . But most important . You do what you do. And use traps just as a aid to hitting.
This question is geared more towards Sifu Lamar Davis. As far as trapping is concerned do you think that the people who do jkdc is the trapping structure the same as the original teaching or as that changed also. I have told you before that i have trapping tapes from Steve Grody do you think that he teaches it more like the original teaching than maybe some of the others I know you have said before that Steve puts out a good trapping tapes i know i have learned alot from them. I think what helped me alot with the trapping material is the fact that i have had alot of years of kenpo Karate. I would like to hear your thoughts on the trapping question. Thanks!!
I have the Steve Grody trapping tapes and I think they are very good! He holds structure pretty good, and sticks to the original material for the most part! I was impressed, and that says a lot!
As for the concepts version of trapping, what I have seen most concepts people doing is a more watered down version of original Jeet Kune Do trapping. I hate to say it, but for the most part it looks kind of sloppy and ineffective! That is why I have often said that if that is all the trapping that some people have seen, no wonder they think that trapping does not work! I hope this adequately answers your question!
Some of the different JKD trapping techniques are:
1. pak sao
2. lop sao
3. jao sao
4. jut sao
5. huen sao
if you combine these sequetially in different orders and add hitting before, during and after you have a lot of the jkd trapping. others (such as tan sao, kao sao, hair immobilizations, etc.) are used as well, but those are the basics and in my experience the most common.
Pak Sao - Slapping hand
Lop Sao - Grabbing hand
Lin Lop Sao - Cross grabbing hand
Tan Sao - Palm-up hand (wedging)
Jut Sao - Jerking hand
Fook Sao - Bent wrist elbow in hand
Gum Sao - Pinning hand
Jao Sao - Running hand
Huen Sao - Circling hand
Heung Sao - Shoulder trap hand
Man Geng Sao - Neck pulling hand
Lan Sao - Bar arm
Tok sao - Elbow lifting hand
Cup sao - Scooping hand
Many of these movements exist as simple traps. When combined with other trapping/hitting movements, you have compound traps. Most of the time, trapping is totally unexpected by the opponent, and compound trapping will not be necessary. It is best to train it, however, so that you will be prepared for anything!
How similar is man geng sao to a jut sao? I googled it and the technique pictured appeared to me like a jut sao on the neck. Is that accurate or is there a difference in the energy?
Yes, the man geng sao is very similar, with the exception that it doesn't always pull on the neck, whereas the jut sao (three different types) involves a jerking motion! The man geng sao is often used to just momentarily trap the head and hold it long enough to land a strike.
Thanks for your input on the trapping and not everbody jumping on here and saying how trapping does not work i feel this was very informative without the slambing people. thanks for your help.
Just thought that I'd mention my experience is that trapping shouldn't be thought of in a vacuum, just like other aspects of martial arts. In light of the mention of Steve Grody for instance, it would be difficult to talk about trapping without time-hitting, marshalling timing and distance, etc.
"Certitude is seized by some minds, not because there is a philosophical justification for it, but because such minds have an emotional need for certitude."
- Robert Anton Wilson
trap in as many ways as possible. Use traps from Wing Chun, Thai, Kali, Greco-Roman wrestling. Trapping is designed to immobalize so you can hit! So don't just stop with Wing Chun traps--search out other traps.
You have to have lightening-fast reflexes to trap well, too. You will trap as well as you train. For instance, if you were to trap and hit with 1-second gaps between your trap-hits, guess what will happen when you finally fight? Yes, you will be punched out because you've trained with all kinds of delays in your movements! In a fight, you will fall to the level of your training--you will not rise to the level of your expectations.
That's why attributes are important. I'm new to this forum and I already get the sense that nobobdy takes PFS or Concepts guys seriously--but understand that attributes are critical to your success!
Michael Jordon didn't get as good as he was doing "Original Basketball" or "Nucleus Basketball" or "Basketball Concepts" or "Progressive Basketball". There is ONE way to play basketball. What he did was to improve the WAY he played basketball by means of self-improvement. Likewise, we have to work on our attributes.
Notice: no Original, Concepts, or PFS people were hurt in the making of this post.
To last post i do kali and the other arts that build the attributes. And to i am pretty darn fast. I do understand what you are saying about the the second in between your trap. I practice alot of trapping with punches coming in the middle of my trapping so i can leave what i am in the middle of and flow to the next. I practice against low punches, high punches, wide punches that is were the kali really comes into play with destroying the bicep with the elbow. That is when you can start using your elbows, Knees and headbutts. When i posted that ? on the trapping i was looking just for some other means to help train the trapping vocabulary. I do appreciate your input as well though it was also helpfull. thanks.
