ok with the fighting!
i have done taekwondo since i was 6 so been doing it for nearly 8 years!
jkd kicks are similar in a way so i get them.
with the whole centerline thing.
i get it but i dont there are many many questions that roam in my head and getting them out seems to be more of a problem then them being answered!
also with the take downs and the parrying and hand strikes etc etc...
all a complete loss to me as i am a new one at jkd and have only come from a limited martial arts background (tkd) .
however my old coach did some break falls ,throwing,rolls,etc. but wasnt consistent.
so as a newbie how do i practise these without killing myself?
how did you first learn to do all the physical "possibly" painful things for the first time and still keep your body intact
the only possible partner avaliable is my father who is a body bulider and is impossible to even pick up and my arrogant brother who would enjoy to make things as difficult as possible.
so any drills to help??
i can be creative but this subject i dont want to go on a limb without knowing at least a little bit of what i am doing
Have not been on this forum for a while. It is nice to know you are being more proactive in your training.
I am not a JKD or Wing Chun guy, although I have done wing chun. I am not suprised that you have a lot of questions about the centre line theory. Personally I think it is very flawed.
Follow your instinct and do not be swayed by what the masses say. My main concern is that the theory over emphasises the importance of the centre line. I can just as easily knock someone out from a hook, or break their knee with a round house to it etc. Yes the centre line weak points are important to cover, however it is more important to bob, weave and evade as a method of defence.
Anyway I would be interested to know what problems you have with it.
I think when bruce lee modified wing chun, the attitude of 'always going centre line' was re-evaluated;
It's a great theory on paper, but I think when you introduce the pliability of JKD, whatever gets the job done is employed, you don't ridgidly stick to anything as such.
It seems to me like the bai-jong stance;
In a real fight you cannot ALWAYS adopt this position, but it DOES afford you the best all-round cover/mobility/deception, in terms of your physical structure.
Personally, I like the centre-line theory, but I have not had enough training to test it out properly.
I would be interested to hear why you think it it flawed, Kjax.
It is flawed because it assumes the attacker is going to come straight at you. Ok disclaimer Jet Lee can not fight, but in his movie "the one" there is a nice theatrical demonstration of circular attack. This is a basic example.
The second main flaw is that it is based on the idea of going for extremely weak points. Although it is sensible to hit weak points, it does not mean I can not damage you in other places. It also focuses the training on trying to hit certain targets and not on trying to make sure everytime you hit, it hurts.
Centre line theory goes against the idea of not predicting what will happen in fight.
I can punch you in the temple this is not in your center line, and it is a classic place to knock someone out. roundhouse the opponents knee, take their base. every part of the human body is vunerable you just have to know how to exploit it. Those who focus on the centre line theory such as wing chun practitioners limit themselves.
It is not wrong to protect your centre or hit someones elses centre, but do not focus on it, nor should you in my opinion think too much on protecting it lest you neglect the other areas.
Anyway I could go on. If you are still confused as to what I am saying please do not hesitate to ask.
I disagree with you here (not to be trying to start crap either)! What you are displaying here is a classic case of misunderstanding the centerline theory (or maybe I should say an extremely limited understanding of it)! The theory is to somewhat limit your opponent's attack possibilities. You would actually HOPE that he attacks on a curved or hook line! Why, well because these attacks are easier to defend against! It your centerline is closed, the opponent is more likely to try an angular or hook line. This, being somewhat expected, greatly simplifies defense! It is much easier to defend with the hands on the center than with the hands held off the center! Also, if the opponent's center is closed, and you have a thorough understanding of all aspects of the centerline theory, you know how to exploit the center and gain your line of attack! Oh well, I could show you this much better than I can tell you about it!
Hello Lamar, how are you? Long time no speak, hope you are well.
I understand what you are saying and would say that I have already heared and seen the argument you have made. I feel however you misunderstand me. I would not attack while standing in front of your weapons, so that you can exchange punches with me lol.
In a street fight I do not come from in front of you, i come from the side or behind. To me the centre is as important as the rest of the areas, and therefor I do not focus to heavily on it, lest I loose site of the whole picture.
There are various positions I can have my hands as far as a guard position is concerned. I have a general stance, but nothing fixed. I can keep the hands to cover the centre or open wide. I can keep them low or high or both at the same time. This all depends on what my opponent is doing and what I wish to do. my stance is dynamic so that I can fit the situation.
You know my old wing chun teacher had the same opinion as yourself, but he got a beatin from a boxer with those same hook punches that centre line theorists put forward. It is funny as he still believes it strongly although now teaches kickboxing.
It is not to say that defending the centre or striking the centre is wrong, it is that there is no point to focus on it if your opponent is not attacking your centre or other parts of your opponents body is open.
I would also note that when you go into your stance you tell me how you fight. I would not assume that if I took up a set stance my opponent was not aware of what I could do. i.e. if you go into you JKD or wing chun on gaurd position I am aware of the weaknesses of your position as I too have studied them.
Of course at a higher level you should be aware of the weaknesses of any stance or move even if you have never encountered it before.
I am doing fine thank you! Hope you are doing well also! Just nearly dead from sitting in front of the computer re-doing my entire website! A few more days of work and it will be done! YES! LOL
Well, what you said above is pretty much what I was saying, only worded differently! I usually do not have time to assume the bai jong when encounters occur. You must be ready to act from wherever, whenever, and I spend a lot of time working with my students on such things! However, I still feel that centerline awareness in far better than no centerline awareness, which is pretty much what I was getting at! I think you will probably agree with me here!
Thanks for your insight.
I definately understand the motivation for not focusing on anything too much, the centreline just appears to me to be a good basis from which to deal/deal with blows etc.
It just seems mechanically to offer you more, and your opponent less, and in terms of the street, as far as I'm aware not many people attack with the centreline in mind.
This is not to say that you should stick to anything ridgidly, an I know there are always exceptions to the rule.
thankyou for the help i just still dont really get how you do it . like just put your hands infront of ya???
weird!!!
but that prob coz i dont know **** all
well yeah keep giving the advice coz i may not reply but i am taking it in yeah
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