what defense aginst strikes do you guys use consistantly?
i usually either counter punch/counter kick or clinch into a series of knee strikes. i don't like to cover up or parry or block.
I block and hit at the same time. And I use a limb destruction for the shin when someone does the roundhouse kick. I counter it with my knee and elbows
Good footwork and timing. More specifically I prefer interception first, then simultaneous defense and attack, slip and hit, bob and weave (and hit), etc...
finddog, what do you mean you use a counter punch, counter kick? All that says is that to defend you defend. I am a bit retarded and lack the ability to telepathically know exactly what you do when you do these counters. Like Jakes response, your answer has equally now relevence to your question.
For example, if some someone roundhouse kicked me, a defense would be move in the direction the kick is going and catch the leg with you arm. you can then follow up with a kick to the other leg.
Or, if someone throws a straight jab at you, a defense would be to simply move your head a counter would be to hook punch them on the side where the punch came from.
anyway I look forward to you answers, as it is actually quite a potentially interesting thread.
by countering i mean that as soon as i recognize some will punch/kick me i punch/kick him. for example a freind threw a round kick, but i was faster and able to threw my own roundhouse to his plant leg. i dropped him.
i also like countering right jabs with the left cross.
these are the type of attacks i mean by counter kicking/punchig.
All of the above will not work "most" of the time in a spontaneous assault on the street. Now if you guys were talkng about sparring or training, then yes they will work to a degree.
Just my opinion of course..
Kind Regards,
James Bullock
www.combative-sciences.com
This message has been edited by Menkyu on Dec 7, 2004 12:16 PM
Well unfortunately nothing is guaranteed to work. Personally I am a big believer in scenario replications. And from what I have experienced when someone is trying to take your head off doing such things and limb destructions, or cut kicks, and counter punching is very very hard to pull off. Has it been pulled off in the street, I am sure it has. But I am sure that someone else at one time pulled of a jumping spinning back kick at least once in the street.
Even the crazyest things could accidentally work (not saying that counter punching, counter kicking, and the like are crazy.
Personally and this is just my opinion I think it is extremely important to do realistic scenarios and to find the basic tools that work for those moments when someone is going as hard and fast as they can.
Now I will say that the above only applies if someone is training for realistic self-defense.
What is the point of training?
That is different for everyone, some want to learn self-defense, some want to learn traditional martial arts, and some want to compete...etc.
Personally the point of training for me is only for self-defense and survival. But at one time I enjoyed competing and traditional martial arts as well.
i have no statistical evidence to support the following statement: the two most common attacks are the looping wild right hook and the headfirst hillbilly tackle. however, it appears to be true.
countering a haymaker with a straight punch or a boxing blast is easy and countering a tackle with a sprawl or guillotine is even easier. these the two countering methods can be trained in a sporting enviroment.
i have no statistical evidence to support the following statement: the two most common attacks are the looping wild right hook and the headfirst hillbilly tackle. however, it appears to be true.
countering a haymaker with a straight punch or a boxing blast is easy and countering a tackle with a sprawl or guillotine is even easier. these the two countering methods can be trained in a sporting environment.
I agree that those movements can be trained in a sporting environment. But there are those times when you do not "see" either of those attacks coming. Most individuals intent on introducing us to the pavement will do so when we are not expecting us. Hence the difference between sport and street.
Some may say "but you are supposed to be aware of your environment"...true but everyone can be caught off guard.
Thanks for the response James, however I feel I may not have been so clear in my questions.
You seem to suggest that training techniques are pointless as they will not necessarily work on the street. So I was asking why train at all? I meant if this is the case, you could just make sure you stay fit and you are as likely to be able to defend yourself against anyone as a martial artist.
In your realistics scenarios what do you do? Do you drill certain techniques? You mentioned eye gouges in another thread.
You stated "You seem to suggest that training techniques are pointless as they will not necessarily work on the street."
Not at all, and if it came across that way I do apologize. I just think all training needs to kept in its proper place. Some techniques are universal and will work in the arena or in the street, while others will only work in "drills".
In a scenario replication you use the tools that work at that time. Your mock assailant would possibly start the confrontation with a push and verbal abuse.
Then without warning try to sucker punch you, draw a knife, attempt a double leg take down, grab you an put you into the wall hard. Just realistic scenarios. This way you can practice verbal diffusing strategies, body language tactics and so on.
That is a general explanation.
Kind Regards,
James Bullock
www.combative-sciences.com
This message has been edited by Menkyu on Dec 11, 2004 3:47 PM
It is an interesting idea. However How realistic is the verbal training? I can formulate quite constructive debates or dialogue whilst training with friends or even pretend to get angry etc. This surely does not prepare you for the reality of a street fight situation. The adrenaline, fear and paranoa etc that ensues can not be emualated, so my question would be how relevant is this technique realistic training.
Personally I have used my mouth to get out of many situations, but I can not think of a common dialogue that difused these situations. My experience has shown that it is the confidence with which you say what you say that stops the fight from happening, what you say is almost irrelevant. You can only really have confidence in what you say if you know the teachniques you use are dangerous. You know if they are in your heart. This comes through experience and sparring.
scenario training is no different to sparring because there are an infinite number of variations to a fight so no matter how many senarios you come up with it will not make you anymore efficient than someone who just spars alot.
It is interesting though; to put yourself in senarios just to see what the difference is. Its like I will go to someone elses club every so often just in case they can show me a slightly different angle to a point.
Scenario training and sparring are completely different, we will have to agree to disagree on that point. Adrenalin can be induced in training as well. I will have to admit that I used to have the same opinion as you as far as scenario training and sparring. Both sparring and scenario training have their place in combatives training.
To get a better idea of scenario training take a look at these websites...
